RedDevilDad
GOLD
SDSC also dominated FCGS who in my opinion, may be better than Legends with LA Premier being the weakest of those 3 LA teams.
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RedDevilDad
GOLD
Sweet, first time all year I've been right, lol. SDSC starting out strong with a solid win over Surf.
FCGS beat LAG 2-1.
Heard that Strikers hosted Murrieta Surf but forgot to include refs in the party... so that ended up being a scrimmage. Man, that would be annoying. Happened in Chula Vista to us a few years ago. Ug.
Yikes, that sucks, particularly for the Murrieta families. That's inexcusable for that to happen. DA rules state that USSF is responsible for assigning the referees, so unless that has changed, Strikers are not to blame. If Strikers are to blame then the makeup game should be on Murrieta's home turf.
RedDevilDad
GOLD
Bro, it is club soccer. We always blame everyone but ourselves. Duh.
RedDevilDad
GOLD
Yes, that is correct. USSF to blame.
To fully throw Chula Vista under the bus, our issue was they had no trainer... which is on the club to provide.
Our issue was figuring out how to play in 4" dense grass last year. They used it to their advantage, we were down 3-1 at half but managed to adjust 2nd half and win 8-3.
Nice to see CV get a win over LAGSD. Hopefully they've improved...I think LAGSD has some work to do as they were late to fill out a roster. LAGSD should improve as the season progresses.
Correction Murrieta hosted not Strikers. It was Murrieta Surf’s home game.
Kante
PREMIER
Here's the inaugural predicts for the 07s. But first some user guide stuff...
The algo producing the predicts is leveraging data from last season. So, if teams added or lost players, this will affect accuracy. Also, if a club had a strong "A" but a really weak "B" team last year in u12s, that also will affect accuracy. Last, because each club had two teams of u12 players that played on half field for 60 minutes, the results from last season may not be predictive at all now that the clubs have gone to one team of u13 players (i.e. some kids starting to hit puberty) playing on a full field for 70 minutes.
The biggest goal of the predicts is to give families, coaches and teams a gauge of how they're doing over time. The predicts enable teams to compete against themselves and their past tendencies - are they getting worse or better on defense or offense over time i.e. are they developing - rather than focusing on whether or not did their team win or lose the match.
For those folks new to the predicts, have been doing these for a bit for the 04s, 05s and 06s. Typically, after about ten games or so, the predicts will dial in to about ~80% accuracy. Occasionally, the predicts will be shockingly accurate and occasionally, the predict accuracy will, uh, "revert to the mean."
If there are questions about how the algo is put together or the purpose or goal of this, please ping over.
Here's predicts (home team is listed first; LA matches are listed first and SD matches follow):
Los Angeles:
LA Galaxy 2 vs LA Surf 4
LA Galaxy lost last week at home to FC Golden State. Surprising, but, from reading the boards, sounds like FCG added a number of new players and Galaxy may have lost a couple.
An item to point out is that typically, LA Galaxy teams have a disproportionately significant home field advantage in Carson, so the loss at home to FCG is particularly notable. LAG also has gone through major coaching and staff changes in the last 3-4 months, and this always seems to affect clubs.
For reference, LA Surf was previously LA Premier.
LAFC 2 vs TFA 2 - match to watch
The algo says this match will be decided by how well each team's defensive line holds up over the course of the game. Looking at the numbers, if either team gets an early goal that could tip momentum and lead to a lopsided win. Lots of interclub rivalry going on from the older age group teams that should carry down to the 07s. Should be fun to watch.
LAUFA 4 vs Pateadores 2
Pats had a surprising loss at home to Santa Barbara SC last week to start the season. Also, LAUFA teams tend to do particularly well playing at home. Will be interesting to see how each team does this week.
Legends 3 vs Ventura Fusion 2
Against TFA last week in a chippy match (four yellows), Ventura kept it close for most of the match (was tied 1-1 until the last 10 minutes). Would expect Ventura to outperform the algo this weekend but wild card is the travel down to Legends to play in Riverside.
Santa Barbara SC 2 vs Real SoCal 4
Santa Barbara had a surprising result, given trends from last year, against the Pats last weekend. On the other side of the ball, RSC was trending up most of last season, and with entirely the same team, would assume those trends would continue. But, there may be another surprise here with Santa Barbara playing at home and maybe taking a step up from last year's trend lines.
San Diego
Arsenal 1 vs Murrieta Surf 3
Result should be a continuation of last season's trends.
OC Surf 1 vs Strikers 5
Same as above.
San Diego Surf 10 vs Chula Vista 0
Nomads 0 vs LAGSD 3
San Diego SC 1 vs Albion 2 - match to watch
It looks like - based on last year's results - that there are a number of particularly strong 07 teams in SD this year including the Strikers, SD Surf, Albion, and, maybe, San Diego SC.
After the January last season, SDSC showed significant improvement while Albion was strong from day one. Last season, Albion won the match-ups in aggregate 24-8, but this include a 10-1 blow-out. Key will be to see if SDSC's D can keep Albion's offense under control. Should be a fun match to watch.
The algo producing the predicts is leveraging data from last season. So, if teams added or lost players, this will affect accuracy. Also, if a club had a strong "A" but a really weak "B" team last year in u12s, that also will affect accuracy. Last, because each club had two teams of u12 players that played on half field for 60 minutes, the results from last season may not be predictive at all now that the clubs have gone to one team of u13 players (i.e. some kids starting to hit puberty) playing on a full field for 70 minutes.
The biggest goal of the predicts is to give families, coaches and teams a gauge of how they're doing over time. The predicts enable teams to compete against themselves and their past tendencies - are they getting worse or better on defense or offense over time i.e. are they developing - rather than focusing on whether or not did their team win or lose the match.
For those folks new to the predicts, have been doing these for a bit for the 04s, 05s and 06s. Typically, after about ten games or so, the predicts will dial in to about ~80% accuracy. Occasionally, the predicts will be shockingly accurate and occasionally, the predict accuracy will, uh, "revert to the mean."
If there are questions about how the algo is put together or the purpose or goal of this, please ping over.
Here's predicts (home team is listed first; LA matches are listed first and SD matches follow):
Los Angeles:
LA Galaxy 2 vs LA Surf 4
LA Galaxy lost last week at home to FC Golden State. Surprising, but, from reading the boards, sounds like FCG added a number of new players and Galaxy may have lost a couple.
An item to point out is that typically, LA Galaxy teams have a disproportionately significant home field advantage in Carson, so the loss at home to FCG is particularly notable. LAG also has gone through major coaching and staff changes in the last 3-4 months, and this always seems to affect clubs.
For reference, LA Surf was previously LA Premier.
LAFC 2 vs TFA 2 - match to watch
The algo says this match will be decided by how well each team's defensive line holds up over the course of the game. Looking at the numbers, if either team gets an early goal that could tip momentum and lead to a lopsided win. Lots of interclub rivalry going on from the older age group teams that should carry down to the 07s. Should be fun to watch.
LAUFA 4 vs Pateadores 2
Pats had a surprising loss at home to Santa Barbara SC last week to start the season. Also, LAUFA teams tend to do particularly well playing at home. Will be interesting to see how each team does this week.
Legends 3 vs Ventura Fusion 2
Against TFA last week in a chippy match (four yellows), Ventura kept it close for most of the match (was tied 1-1 until the last 10 minutes). Would expect Ventura to outperform the algo this weekend but wild card is the travel down to Legends to play in Riverside.
Santa Barbara SC 2 vs Real SoCal 4
Santa Barbara had a surprising result, given trends from last year, against the Pats last weekend. On the other side of the ball, RSC was trending up most of last season, and with entirely the same team, would assume those trends would continue. But, there may be another surprise here with Santa Barbara playing at home and maybe taking a step up from last year's trend lines.
San Diego
Arsenal 1 vs Murrieta Surf 3
Result should be a continuation of last season's trends.
OC Surf 1 vs Strikers 5
Same as above.
San Diego Surf 10 vs Chula Vista 0
Nomads 0 vs LAGSD 3
San Diego SC 1 vs Albion 2 - match to watch
It looks like - based on last year's results - that there are a number of particularly strong 07 teams in SD this year including the Strikers, SD Surf, Albion, and, maybe, San Diego SC.
After the January last season, SDSC showed significant improvement while Albion was strong from day one. Last season, Albion won the match-ups in aggregate 24-8, but this include a 10-1 blow-out. Key will be to see if SDSC's D can keep Albion's offense under control. Should be a fun match to watch.
Based on the little that I know I guess the following:
San Diego
Arsenal 1 vs Murrieta Surf 3
Result should be a continuation of last season's trends.
I think Arsenal is improved. Might be closer in score.
OC Surf 1 vs Strikers 5
Same as above.
Probably in the ballpark
San Diego Surf 10 vs Chula Vista 0
CV is improved while Surf may not be quite as strong as last year. I don't think the blowout will be this big.
Nomads 0 vs LAGSD 3
Anything can happen in this game. Nomads is improved and LAGSD has had a tough start.
San Diego SC 1 vs Albion 2 - match to watch
It looks like - based on last year's results - that there are a number of particularly strong 07 teams in SD this year including the Strikers, SD Surf, Albion, and, maybe, San Diego SC. Agree, match to watch. I think SDSC will take this one.
San Diego
Arsenal 1 vs Murrieta Surf 3
Result should be a continuation of last season's trends.
I think Arsenal is improved. Might be closer in score.
OC Surf 1 vs Strikers 5
Same as above.
Probably in the ballpark
San Diego Surf 10 vs Chula Vista 0
CV is improved while Surf may not be quite as strong as last year. I don't think the blowout will be this big.
Nomads 0 vs LAGSD 3
Anything can happen in this game. Nomads is improved and LAGSD has had a tough start.
San Diego SC 1 vs Albion 2 - match to watch
It looks like - based on last year's results - that there are a number of particularly strong 07 teams in SD this year including the Strikers, SD Surf, Albion, and, maybe, San Diego SC. Agree, match to watch. I think SDSC will take this one.
RedDevilDad
GOLD
Wow. You think Arsenal will score a goal?!?
Match last year’s total in the first game?!?
Lol
Joke...
I am curious though about Murrieta. Their Stoke City kickball style may not translate to the big pitch. That game will be interesting to me.
SDSC v Albion will be very interesting.
I’m not convinced on Strikers yet and disappointed in Surf.
I agree that LAG has weakened and think that LA Surf could draw there.
What’s with the hate on Chula Vista? 10? Wow. Savage. Lol.
Match last year’s total in the first game?!?
Lol
Joke...
I am curious though about Murrieta. Their Stoke City kickball style may not translate to the big pitch. That game will be interesting to me.
SDSC v Albion will be very interesting.
I’m not convinced on Strikers yet and disappointed in Surf.
I agree that LAG has weakened and think that LA Surf could draw there.
What’s with the hate on Chula Vista? 10? Wow. Savage. Lol.
RedDevilDad
GOLD
Murrieta Surf 1-0 over Arsenal.
What I heard: Surf had 2 shots on target, both saved. Goal came off the back of an Arsenal defender's head from Surf's second of two corners. Arsenal had 10 shots on target and controlled possession. Both teams did things well.
What I know: Murrieta beat Arsenal like 8-1 to end last year... and now they only win 1-0 on an own goal. That's interesting to me...
A friend whose kid plays for Surf said it was a "smash and grab that Surf didn't deserve to win."
A friend with Arsenal said Arsenal over ran Surf but struggled to finish. Said, the encouraging thing was we [Arsenal] had a set game plan and style and were able to execute it, just couldn't finish.
That's interesting to me. I've always been a fan of Arsenal's DOC who is apparently now coaching their 07s.
LAGSD beat Nomads 4-1. LAGSD shows signs of individual skill while struggling to come together as a team. LAGSD face SDSC next week.
Nomads seemed slow and goals came easily off pressuring them high and fast or just being able to connect around them.
I think the LAGSD v. SDSC game will be a good one to watch to see if LAGSD is improving. I still like that SDSC team as the strongest San Diego team.
What I heard: Surf had 2 shots on target, both saved. Goal came off the back of an Arsenal defender's head from Surf's second of two corners. Arsenal had 10 shots on target and controlled possession. Both teams did things well.
What I know: Murrieta beat Arsenal like 8-1 to end last year... and now they only win 1-0 on an own goal. That's interesting to me...
A friend whose kid plays for Surf said it was a "smash and grab that Surf didn't deserve to win."
A friend with Arsenal said Arsenal over ran Surf but struggled to finish. Said, the encouraging thing was we [Arsenal] had a set game plan and style and were able to execute it, just couldn't finish.
That's interesting to me. I've always been a fan of Arsenal's DOC who is apparently now coaching their 07s.
LAGSD beat Nomads 4-1. LAGSD shows signs of individual skill while struggling to come together as a team. LAGSD face SDSC next week.
Nomads seemed slow and goals came easily off pressuring them high and fast or just being able to connect around them.
I think the LAGSD v. SDSC game will be a good one to watch to see if LAGSD is improving. I still like that SDSC team as the strongest San Diego team.
RedDevilDad
GOLD
Heard Strikers beat OC Surf 1-0. I think Strikers has declined... probably because they cut my friend's kid. lol
Surf 4-0 over CV, not much can be read from that one if Chula Vista is poor. I'd like to see Strikers v Surf next week. Last year, those two were neck and neck.
Surf 4-0 over CV, not much can be read from that one if Chula Vista is poor. I'd like to see Strikers v Surf next week. Last year, those two were neck and neck.
Any update on LA area scores? Insight?
I heard that LAG lost to LA Surf (LA Premier) 3-1 but not 100% positive on the score.
LAFC beat TFA 8-1.
LAG lost either 3-1 or 3-2.. but they didn’t play well and will lose many games if C keeps coaching.
RedDevilDad
GOLD
Anyone at US5? DA kids only playing 5v5.
Strikers, Lag, TFA, LAUFA, Pats, OC surf, Arsenal and LAFC represented.
Strikers, Lag, TFA, LAUFA, Pats, OC surf, Arsenal and LAFC represented.
Kante
PREMIER
Here's predicts vs actual for this last weekend (9/7/19). As a reminder, the predicts below are an experiment based on last season's u12 data. Lots of things changed from last year. Field size. Kid size. Going to 11v1 etc. Accuracy will get better as there is more 2019-20 data. (By the way, lots of good commentary above. Very cool.)
Los Angeles:
predict: LA Galaxy 2 vs LA Surf 4 Actuals: LA Galaxy 1 vs LA Surf 3
Sounds like LAG didn't play well. Any other commentary or more details here?
predict: LAFC 2 vs TFA 2 . Actuals: LAFC 8 vs TFA 1 (thx Zacrob!)
will completely reboot algo after this one. Any commentary/details on how it went so terribly wrong for TFA?
predict: LAUFA 4 vs Pateadores 2 Actuals: LAUFA 4 vs Pateadores 4
Good on LAUFA for a solid start to season. Pats have some work to do defensively. Will be interesting to look at Pats roster vs last year as see what changed. Would have thought they would be stronger this year. Any other commentary or more details here?
predict: Legends 3 vs Ventura Fusion 2 Actuals: Legends 3 vs Ventura Fusion 2
Solid away performance by Ventura. Any other commentary or more details here?
predict: Santa Barbara SC 2 vs Real SoCal 4 Actuals: Santa Barbara SC 0 vs Real SoCal 3
Santa Barbara reverted to their mean against RSC. Also, this match confirms that Pats are not as strong as last year. Any other commentary or more details here?
San Diego
predict: Arsenal 1 vs Murrieta Surf 3. Actuals: Arsenal 0 vs Murrieta Surf 1
Looks like a decent enough game with the goal coming late in the 2nd half.
Here's wom commentary from RedDevilDad (thx!): "What I heard: Surf had 2 shots on target, both saved. Goal came off the back of an Arsenal defender's head from Surf's second of two corners. Arsenal had 10 shots on target and controlled possession. Both teams did things well.What I know: Murrieta beat Arsenal like 8-1 to end last year... and now they only win 1-0 on an own goal. That's interesting to me... A friend whose kid plays for Surf said it was a 'smash and grab that Surf didn't deserve to win. 'A friend with Arsenal said Arsenal over ran Surf but struggled to finish. Said, the encouraging thing was we [Arsenal] had a set game plan and style and were able to execute it, just couldn't finish. That's interesting to me. I've always been a fan of Arsenal's DOC who is apparently now coaching their 07s."
Agreed on yoy improvement by Arsenal being interesting. Good on them.
predict: OC Surf 1 vs Strikers 5. Actuals: OC Surf 0 vs Strikers 1
will recalibrate algo on this one. seems like Strikers declined. Any addt'l commentary or details here?
predict: San Diego Surf 10 vs Chula Vista 0. Actuals: San Diego Surf 4 vs Chula Vista 0
CV kept it a lot closer than expected. Was only 2-0 at half, plus SD Surf had three yellows (none for CV). So CV was doing something right to frustrate SD Surf. Any addt'l commentary or details here?
predict: Nomads 0 vs LAGSD 3. Actuals: Nomads 1 vs LAGSD 4
predict: San Diego SC 1 vs Albion 2 Actuals: San Diego SC 6 vs Albion 1
well, Bob's your uncle... SDSC announced that they came to play in 2019-20 with a strong showing over Albion last week and a good win over SD Surf the week before. Next week's match against LAGSD may be one to watch. For SDSC, DR went for five goals against Albion and two against SD Surf.
Los Angeles:
predict: LA Galaxy 2 vs LA Surf 4 Actuals: LA Galaxy 1 vs LA Surf 3
Sounds like LAG didn't play well. Any other commentary or more details here?
predict: LAFC 2 vs TFA 2 . Actuals: LAFC 8 vs TFA 1 (thx Zacrob!)
will completely reboot algo after this one. Any commentary/details on how it went so terribly wrong for TFA?
predict: LAUFA 4 vs Pateadores 2 Actuals: LAUFA 4 vs Pateadores 4
Good on LAUFA for a solid start to season. Pats have some work to do defensively. Will be interesting to look at Pats roster vs last year as see what changed. Would have thought they would be stronger this year. Any other commentary or more details here?
predict: Legends 3 vs Ventura Fusion 2 Actuals: Legends 3 vs Ventura Fusion 2
Solid away performance by Ventura. Any other commentary or more details here?
predict: Santa Barbara SC 2 vs Real SoCal 4 Actuals: Santa Barbara SC 0 vs Real SoCal 3
Santa Barbara reverted to their mean against RSC. Also, this match confirms that Pats are not as strong as last year. Any other commentary or more details here?
San Diego
predict: Arsenal 1 vs Murrieta Surf 3. Actuals: Arsenal 0 vs Murrieta Surf 1
Looks like a decent enough game with the goal coming late in the 2nd half.
Here's wom commentary from RedDevilDad (thx!): "What I heard: Surf had 2 shots on target, both saved. Goal came off the back of an Arsenal defender's head from Surf's second of two corners. Arsenal had 10 shots on target and controlled possession. Both teams did things well.What I know: Murrieta beat Arsenal like 8-1 to end last year... and now they only win 1-0 on an own goal. That's interesting to me... A friend whose kid plays for Surf said it was a 'smash and grab that Surf didn't deserve to win. 'A friend with Arsenal said Arsenal over ran Surf but struggled to finish. Said, the encouraging thing was we [Arsenal] had a set game plan and style and were able to execute it, just couldn't finish. That's interesting to me. I've always been a fan of Arsenal's DOC who is apparently now coaching their 07s."
Agreed on yoy improvement by Arsenal being interesting. Good on them.
predict: OC Surf 1 vs Strikers 5. Actuals: OC Surf 0 vs Strikers 1
will recalibrate algo on this one. seems like Strikers declined. Any addt'l commentary or details here?
predict: San Diego Surf 10 vs Chula Vista 0. Actuals: San Diego Surf 4 vs Chula Vista 0
CV kept it a lot closer than expected. Was only 2-0 at half, plus SD Surf had three yellows (none for CV). So CV was doing something right to frustrate SD Surf. Any addt'l commentary or details here?
predict: Nomads 0 vs LAGSD 3. Actuals: Nomads 1 vs LAGSD 4
predict: San Diego SC 1 vs Albion 2 Actuals: San Diego SC 6 vs Albion 1
well, Bob's your uncle... SDSC announced that they came to play in 2019-20 with a strong showing over Albion last week and a good win over SD Surf the week before. Next week's match against LAGSD may be one to watch. For SDSC, DR went for five goals against Albion and two against SD Surf.
Final score for LAFC vs TFA was pretty indicative of gameplay. LAFC was dominant throughout although they only led 2-1 at half. LAFC missed a lot of chances and a PK in the first half. That PK call was a tough call in my opinion. But as soccer goes, the ball doesn't lie and LAFC missed the ensuing PK. Only difference between first and second half was that LAFC converted their chances, including two second half PKs that were legitimate calls in my opinion (takedowns in the box without touching the ball) and both were converted. TFA could not really get anything going on offense (I think 3 total shots on goal) although their goal was a nice interplay on a counter between a big kid they bring in from Fresno to play in big games and one of the new players that came from LAG. While TFA may have been beaten badly in this one, their midfield looked better to me. There were far fewer long balls out of the back and they really tried to play soccer the way their 06's do. Gametime temperature was nearly 90 degrees outside and they played on a 120 yard turf field so conditions were pretty tough for the boys.
foreveryoung
SILVER ELITE
What exactly does it mean? That one team is better at recruiting players versus developing them? That one coach is more focused on winning another on development? That one team has a lot of size another doesn’t? That one team is going to produce more professional players than the other?
They are 12. And there are so many variables. They may have just been hot and given up once the score was 5-1. Not great but again, they are 12. And this is the first season of 11 v 11. That’s a big transition for some more than others. They are not professionals. 8-1 in the premiere league would speak volumes.
What would be more telling is other factors. How many times did they play out of the back versus punting? How many passes did they complete? Did they execute the things they were working on in training last week? How many chances did they create? How many players have been with the club 2+ years versus new this year? Did PT players get minutes? It is the “development” academy right?
Scores are a part of and can help assess a teams progress but too much focus on scores and standings at 12 is just perpetuating the issues in youth sports and our inability to produce world class soccer players.