2005 DA Standings

Emilio Castro said:
Not typically on this sites full of fantasy and none sense statements which never be close to improve the American soccer.
Why is the need to kiss mls academies asses? Can you judge equally all teams?
If LAFC or LAG tied or lose, you guys are trying to justify them under many reasons (using 06s, using the bench, new directors, etc, etc, etc...) all this is bull shit.
Are MLS academies developing? NO, there are not even close to develop a kid. They are scouters, that is it.

Is it acceptable that:
LAFC tied vs the devastated Surf?
LAFC tied vs FCGS?
LAG tied vs TFA?
LAG tied vs Sacramento?
Real Salt Lake and Barca get beat by other smaller teams?
NO IT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. Said teams cannot lose a game vs 05 teams, they should be kicking ass a year older academies.

Being realistic, these teams can perform better than the rest without even a coach, (you can literally assign a 14 yers old player as a couch and have excellent results) all of them have 90% of the best players in town. Let me correct my self. Some of them like Barca and RSL they don’t even happy with the best talent in town, they bring players form other states, is that developing? That is telling everyone “I can’t develop, help me, bring me the best kids to cover my stupidity”

Let’s support the local soccer and give credit to the real developers.
Hopefully one day MLS will learn from them. You not only need $ to take care kids, you need heart, commitment and trust in your players.
Imagine what could be achieved if fcgs, tfa, or laufa get the financial resources as the mls teams have...
I hope your comments and opinions get fair and straight.
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there's a lot here, and a lot of passion. which is good.

have thought for a while that the MLS teams should kick in to help non-MLS academies do everything they can to be competitive. For example, enable non-MLS academies to be able to pay for coaches and facilities to have their u13 and u14s train four days a week 2 hours a day on a full field. This training regiment is the USSDA recommendation but most DA teams haven't done/don't do this. And when a team that does train in this manner plays a team that does not, it shows in a big way. It's simply the math of one team training 50% more than the other.

There's plenty of legit issues with the idea that MLS subsidize non-MLS academies, but if LAFC took some of their academy social media budget, and said, "it's critical for us to have consistently good local competition and we're going to put resources out there to support this" it would be a game changer for socal and for the DA. We all benefit always from better competition.

having said that, w/ the non-MLS academies, there's a ton they could be doing right now to better support their DA players. it's the adults' responsibility to put together a stable, professional and constructive environment to the kids to develop and grow and, to be frank, a number of non-MLS academies just don't do that.

in the light of this discussion, here's a link to a good interview that the Scuffed podcast did with LAFC's Todd Saldana that gives some insight into his thinking about some of these issues.

https://scuffed.simplecast.com/episodes/episode-100-an-interview-with-lafc-academy-director-todd-saldana

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Kante said:
there's a lot here, and a lot of passion. which is good.

have thought for a while that the MLS teams should kick in to help non-MLS academies do everything they can to be competitive. For example, enable non-MLS academies to be able to pay for coaches and facilities to have their u13 and u14s train four days a week 2 hours a day on a full field. This training regiment is the USSDA recommendation but most DA teams haven't done/don't do this. And when a team that does train in this manner plays a team that does not, it shows in a big way. It's simply the math of one team training 50% more than the other.

There's plenty of legit issues with the idea that MLS subsidize non-MLS academies, but if LAFC took some of their academy social media budget, and said, "it's critical for us to have consistently good local competition and we're going to put resources out there to support this" it would be a game changer for socal and for the DA. We all benefit always from better competition.

having said that, w/ the non-MLS academies, there's a ton they could be doing right now to better support their DA players. it's the adults' responsibility to put together a stable, professional and constructive environment to the kids to develop and grow and, to be frank, a number of non-MLS academies just don't do that.

in the light of this discussion, here's a link to a good interview that the Scuffed podcast did with LAFC's Todd Saldana that gives some insight into his thinking about some of these issues.

https://scuffed.simplecast.com/episodes/episode-100-an-interview-with-lafc-academy-director-todd-saldana

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I will listen the interview later. Is this the one TS stated that LAFC will be playing most of their games a year up? i haven't see that, not even vs the "weakest teams".

It is not passion, it is kinda frustration to see big talent wasted by non competent coached and directors.
Time for current players is so precious (speaking personally for my son) that wasting it is not an option for us. We cannot fall down with the same obstacles, those which the mls is falling into over and over and over.
2 months ago my son got a guarantied spot on galaxy, we got a bit excited at first, but after a deep research we had to reject the offer. will just ask few one questions as example.
How many 04 players from last year for Galaxy are in the current 04/03 roster? Do you know what Galaxy told to the 80% of these players? I tell you, "go else where and come back again to tryout next year"
They wanted to use mainly 03s on their squad in order to compete. What competition they're worry about??. we all know that maybe with luck, 3 or 4 players will make the 1st team. why is so important to win a match vs Strikers U16? We are talking to build the American soccer, not to win internal none sense games. We are internally competing on who runs faster to the other side of the box, but we haven't figure what it takes to play out of the box, we are still bouncing back and forward inside of 4 walls, like pin pong balls.
We can be here all day, talking/discussing back and forward in regards this. (with respect, I have no time for that). FCGS is a better option at least for me and my son, the MLS jersey looks very hot and attractive but my son is much important than a cartoonist logo. Since American Soccer MLS is not a reliable resource for players. My all in beat is into colleges (thing that MLS isn't willing to support). I might be interested in support MLS with my grand kids sometime in the future, but not now.
Thanks for your feedback
 
Emilio Castro said:
I will listen the interview later. Is this the one TS stated that LAFC will be playing most of their games a year up? i haven't see that, not even vs the "weakest teams".

It is not passion, it is kinda frustration to see big talent wasted by non competent coached and directors.
Time for current players is so precious (speaking personally for my son) that wasting it is not an option for us. We cannot fall down with the same obstacles, those which the mls is falling into over and over and over.
2 months ago my son got a guarantied spot on galaxy, we got a bit excited at first, but after a deep research we had to reject the offer. will just ask few one questions as example.
How many 04 players from last year for Galaxy are in the current 04/03 roster? Do you know what Galaxy told to the 80% of these players? I tell you, "go else where and come back again to tryout next year"
They wanted to use mainly 03s on their squad in order to compete. What competition they're worry about??. we all know that maybe with luck, 3 or 4 players will make the 1st team. why is so important to win a match vs Strikers U16? We are talking to build the American soccer, not to win internal none sense games. We are internally competing on who runs faster to the other side of the box, but we haven't figure what it takes to play out of the box, we are still bouncing back and forward inside of 4 walls, like pin pong balls.
We can be here all day, talking/discussing back and forward in regards this. (with respect, I have no time for that). FCGS is a better option at least for me and my son, the MLS jersey looks very hot and attractive but my son is much important than a cartoonist logo. Since American Soccer MLS is not a reliable resource for players. My all in beat is into colleges (thing that MLS isn't willing to support). I might be interested in support MLS with my grand kids sometime in the future, but not now.
Thanks for your feedback
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100% agree. particularly on limited time window for the kids.

the Scuffed interview is different - and more in-depth - than what LAFC published. Scuffed in general is a really solid resource.

agreed that LAFC has been talking about playing kids up but has done that less than they inferred they would.

best of luck this year. nice showing against LAFC, btw. looks like it was a tight game.
 
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here's predicts for this weekend (10/5). home is listed first. big weekend with a number of matches to watch. here is the separate thread for the LA Galaxy vs LAFC match - http://www.socalsoccer.com/threads/...afc-predict-and-commentary-october-5th.17984/

SoCal Games
Real SoCal 2 vs Barca Academy 1 - match to watch
note: this DA Cup group is probably one of the toughest Tier 2 DA Cup groups in the country, w/ each team legitimately having a beef that their u19 team was relegated to Tier 2 by USSDA. Very little has been said about how USSDA will re-evaluate the Tier 2 groupings at the end of the 2019-20 season but just looking at the groups and clubs and their historical performance statistically, if a club is not MLS, historical performance plays a very big role in USSDA's tiering to date. So, no pressure you guys.

RSC has to make up for the 1-5 loss to the Strikers from last week, and the Barca team - which was largely newly recruited for this season and includes four former SD Surf starters, two former TFA starters and the #5 TDS ranked player in the country - also has something to prove. Should be a fun match to watch.

San Jose Earthquakes 2 vs FC Golden State 1 - match to watch
note: FCG is just off a decent result - 1-1 tie - with LAFC. Next step is traveling north for the SJ Quakes. TDS ranks LAFC as the #3 team in the country, and SJ Quakes as the #7 team in the country. Let's see what you got FCG. (particularly given that there's only one match up north. hope USSDA pitched in on travel costs for this one...)

Strikers 2 vs Crossfire Premier 2 - match to watch
note: see the notes above re: DA Cup. Strikers are strong goal scorers and Crossfire has one of the better defenses in the country. Should be a fun match to watch.

Arsenal 1 vs San Diego Surf 2

Real Salt Lake 2 vs TFA 1 - match to watch
note: the algo has this as a 1-1 tie with the slight edge to TFA, but the algo doesn't have a lot of data on RSL, so it's wrong.

RSL - like Barca - has a team that was largely newly recruited for this season (RSL engaged the Soccer Syndicate to do their recruiting here's the SS website - http://thesoccersyndicate.com/) and includes three former starters from SD Surf, a player from Chula Vista FC and a player from Santa Barbara SC.

On paper, RSL should dominate TFA - particularly given that TFA lost so many players going into this season - but TFA has been playing with a lot of pride and showing that the new guys can play as well. Also, RSL has been underperforming to date and looks like they're still trying to figure out the best way to play with the players they've got.

Be interesting to see how this one goes.

Pateadores 2 vs LAUFA 2

Silicon Valley SA 1 vs Nomads 1

Breakers 0 vs Nomads 1

Breakers 1 vs Albion 2

Silicon Valley SA 3 vs Albion 1

Strikers 2 vs Barca 1 - match to watch

Real So Cal 1 vs Crossfire Premier 4 - match to watch
note: RSC managed to tie Crossfire last time these two played but Crossfire was missing two key players. With a lot on the line, Crossfire (out of all the teams relegated to Tier 2) probably has the biggest beef w/ USSDA and something to prove.

By way of background, USSDA may or may not have considered Crossfire's complaint/lawsuit about US Soccer not forwarding solidarity payments for Yedlin when relegating Crossfire to Tier 2 status, but most folks think the complaint/lawsuit played a part in USSDA's decision, particularly given that Crossfire has been one of the top performing DA clubs across age groups for the last decade.

Short version then is that Crossfire Premier is not likely to let a tied result from last match stand.

Non-SoCal Games (for reference)
CO Rapids 1 vs Real Colorado 2
De Anza Force 3 vs Sacramento Republic 5
Portland Timbers 2 vs Vancouver Whitecaps 1
San Jose Earthquakes 2 vs De Anza Force 0
 
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Emilio Castro said:
I will listen the interview later. Is this the one TS stated that LAFC will be playing most of their games a year up? i haven't see that, not even vs the "weakest teams".

It is not passion, it is kinda frustration to see big talent wasted by non competent coached and directors.
Time for current players is so precious (speaking personally for my son) that wasting it is not an option for us. We cannot fall down with the same obstacles, those which the mls is falling into over and over and over.
2 months ago my son got a guarantied spot on galaxy, we got a bit excited at first, but after a deep research we had to reject the offer. will just ask few one questions as example.
How many 04 players from last year for Galaxy are in the current 04/03 roster? Do you know what Galaxy told to the 80% of these players? I tell you, "go else where and come back again to tryout next year"
They wanted to use mainly 03s on their squad in order to compete. What competition they're worry about??. we all know that maybe with luck, 3 or 4 players will make the 1st team. why is so important to win a match vs Strikers U16? We are talking to build the American soccer, not to win internal none sense games. We are internally competing on who runs faster to the other side of the box, but we haven't figure what it takes to play out of the box, we are still bouncing back and forward inside of 4 walls, like pin pong balls.
We can be here all day, talking/discussing back and forward in regards this. (with respect, I have no time for that). FCGS is a better option at least for me and my son, the MLS jersey looks very hot and attractive but my son is much important than a cartoonist logo. Since American Soccer MLS is not a reliable resource for players. My all in beat is into colleges (thing that MLS isn't willing to support). I might be interested in support MLS with my grand kids sometime in the future, but not now.
Thanks for your feedback
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I agree with most of what you shared
I had a good experience with my 06 atGSA
But not for my 05
Every club has its pros and cons
GS did the same thing with the 04s from last year and they had a very solid team told them they would only roster 03s
And a lot players that were there since u12s left.
On the 05s they had tryouts in June and they still didn’t have a roster til 2nd Game of season.
We all have different expectations but most are very similar.
 
Kante said:
here's predicts for this weekend (10/5). home is listed first. big weekend with a number of matches to watch. btw, will put together a separate thread for the LA Galaxy vs LAFC match.

SoCal Games
Real SoCal 2 vs Barca Academy 1 - match to watch
note: this DA Cup group is probably one of the toughest Tier 2 DA Cup groups in the country, w/ each team legitimately having a beef that their u19 team was relegated to Tier 2 by USSDA. Very little has been said about how USSDA will re-evaluate the Tier 2 groupings at the end of the 2019-20 season but just looking at the groups and clubs and their historical performance statistically, if a club is not MLS, historical performance plays a very big role in USSDA's tiering to date. So, no pressure you guys.

RSC has to make up for the 1-5 loss to the Strikers from last week, and the Barca team - which was largely newly recruited for this season and includes four former SD Surf starters, two former TFA starters and the #5 TDS ranked player in the country - also has something to prove. Should be a fun match to watch.

San Jose Earthquakes 2 vs FC Golden State 1 - match to watch
note: FCG is just off a decent result - 1-1 tie - with LAFC. Next step is traveling north for the SJ Quakes. TDS ranks LAFC as the #3 team in the country, and SJ Quakes as the #7 team in the country. Let's see what you got FCG. (particularly given that there's only one match up north. hope USSDA pitched in on travel costs for this one...)

Strikers 2 vs Crossfire Premier 2 - match to watch
note: see the notes above re: DA Cup. Strikers are strong goal scorers and Crossfire has one of the better defenses in the country. Should be a fun match to watch.

Arsenal 1 vs San Diego Surf 2

Real Salt Lake 2 vs TFA 1 - match to watch
note: the algo has this as a 1-1 tie with the slight edge to TFA, but the algo doesn't have a lot of data on RSL, so it's wrong.

RSL - like Barca - has a team that was largely newly recruited for this season (RSL engaged the Soccer Syndicate to do their recruiting here's the SS website - http://thesoccersyndicate.com/) and includes three former starters from SD Surf, a player from Chula Vista FC and a player from Santa Barbara SC.

On paper, RSL should dominate TFA - particularly given that TFA lost so many players going into this season - but TFA has been playing with a lot of pride and showing that the new guys can play as well. Also, RSL has been underperforming to date and looks like they're still trying to figure out the best way to play with the players they've got.

Be interesting to see how this one goes.

Pateadores 2 vs LAUFA 2

Silicon Valley SA 1 vs Nomads 1

Breakers 0 vs Nomads 1

Breakers 1 vs Albion 2

Silicon Valley SA 3 vs Albion 1

Strikers 2 vs Barca 1 - match to watch

Real So Cal 1 vs Crossfire Premier 4 - match to watch
note: RSC managed to tie Crossfire last time these two played but Crossfire was missing two key players. With a lot on the line, Crossfire (out of all the teams relegated to Tier 2) probably has the biggest beef w/ USSDA and something to prove.

By way of background, USSDA may or may not have considered Crossfire's complaint/lawsuit about US Soccer not forwarding solidarity payments for Yedlin when relegating Crossfire to Tier 2 status, but most folks think the complaint/lawsuit played a part in USSDA's decision, particularly given that Crossfire has been one of the top performing DA clubs across age groups for the last decade.

Short version then is that Crossfire Premier is not likely to let a tied result from last match stand.

Non-SoCal Games (for reference)
CO Rapids 1 vs Real Colorado 2
De Anza Force 3 vs Sacramento Republic 5
Portland Timbers 2 vs Vancouver Whitecaps 1
San Jose Earthquakes 2 vs De Anza Force 0
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TFA will be raking 5 06 players that should make it more interesting!
 
Emilio Castro said:
How many 04 players from last year for Galaxy are in the current 04/03 roster? Do you know what Galaxy told to the 80% of these players? I tell you, "go else where and come back again to tryout next year" They wanted to use mainly 03s on their squad in order to compete. What competition they're worry about??
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Where are you getting your intel from? My kid is an 04 on that team and I seriously doubt 80% of his peers were told to "go else where and come back...next year". No one I've talked to was told anything like that, and we weren't either. Also, they aren't going heavy 2003 on the rosters so far this season. A lot of 2003s are playing up. First 4 games, starters include pretty much half 2004s. All have been field players, no GKs...

vs. FCGS - 6x 2004s, 5x 2003s
vs. San Jose - 5x 2004s, 6x 2003s
vs. SacRep - 5x 2004s, 6x 2003s
vs. DeAnza- 6x 2004s, 5x 2003s

There are 18x 2004s, and to answer the question about how many from last year...11x came back, so 7x of these 2004s are new signings. Hardly a sign that 80% were told to go away and that Galaxy were planning to use mainly 2003s. You make some good points in your comments, but you sound like sour grapes about Galaxy. I recommend that you have your facts straight before you come on here talking like you're an authority on the organization.
 
SBFDad said:
Where are you getting your intel from? My kid is an 04 on that team and I seriously doubt 80% of his peers were told to "go else where and come back...next year". No one I've talked to was told anything like that, and we weren't either. Also, they aren't going heavy 2003 on the rosters so far this season. A lot of 2003s are playing up. First 4 games, starters include pretty much half 2004s. All have been field players, no GKs...

vs. FCGS - 6x 2004s, 5x 2003s
vs. San Jose - 5x 2004s, 6x 2003s
vs. SacRep - 5x 2004s, 6x 2003s
vs. DeAnza- 6x 2004s, 5x 2003s

There are 18x 2004s, and to answer the question about how many from last year...11x came back, so 7x of these 2004s are new signings. Hardly a sign that 80% were told to go away and that Galaxy were planning to use mainly 2003s. You make some good points in your comments, but you sound like sour grapes about Galaxy. I recommend that you have your facts straight before you come on here talking like you're an authority on the organization.
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Not willing to discuss color tones with anybody.
Enjoy your son high education program and playtime. The best business deals, regardless the terms, are those where you end up happy.
to be clear, (nothing against Galaxy specifically, I am targeting my OPINIONS to the green MLS program)
 
Emilio Castro said:
Not willing to discuss color tones with anybody.
Enjoy your son high education program and playtime. The best business deals, regardless the terms, are those where you end up happy.
to be clear, (nothing against Galaxy specifically, I am targeting my OPINIONS to the green MLS program)
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When a team has 33 kids on a roster and only 16 can play each week one has to wonder why parking players is good for development, competition, or whatever the rational beyond that sort of things are besides taking advantage of the "status" situation. Part time players would seem to be more appropriate for a bunch of them, let them get some playing time & experience elsewhere.
 
jpeter said:
When a team has 33 kids on a roster and only 16 can play each week one has to wonder why parking players is good for development, competition, or whatever the rational beyond that sort of things are besides taking advantage of the "status" situation. Part time players would seem to be more appropriate for a bunch of them, let them get some playing time & experience elsewhere.
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Not sure why Galaxy signed so many players ? Most of the guys will see very few games this season. They should've PT alot of them or fielded a team in another league. Some of the players that have not touched the field this season struggled last season and the new additions are okay players. Given the fact that 99% of these players will not play professionally; why sacrifice your kids education, self confidence as a player and lack of playtime for a jersey. SBFDAD how many games has you kid played this season ?
 
3leches said:
Not sure why Galaxy signed so many players ? Most of the guys will see very few games this season. They should've PT alot of them or fielded a team in another league. Some of the players that have not touched the field this season struggled last season and the new additions are okay players. Given the fact that 99% of these players will not play professionally; why sacrifice your kids education, self confidence as a player and lack of playtime for a jersey. SBFDAD how many games has you kid played this season ?
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I always say let the kid make the call. If (s)he asks for advice, give it. But let them decide.
 
jpeter said:
When a team has 33 kids on a roster and only 16 can play each week one has to wonder why parking players is good for development, competition, or whatever the rational beyond that sort of things are besides taking advantage of the "status" situation. Part time players would seem to be more appropriate for a bunch of them, let them get some playing time & experience elsewhere.
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Imagine if that "somewhere else" would have being to open an 04 team and play them at any premier league, just to ensure the proper care and follow up of the player. Then, get them back to the DA.
You don't need to be too smart to figure something up, if you main focus are the players and their development.
 
Emilio Castro said:
Not willing to discuss color tones with anybody.
Enjoy your son high education program and playtime. The best business deals, regardless the terms, are those where you end up happy.
to be clear, (nothing against Galaxy specifically, I am targeting my OPINIONS to the green MLS program)
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Would you mind elaborating? Specifically, about the "green" program? I am not being sarcastic at all, just curious to hear your views (and which program you are referring to).
 
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SBFDAD how many games has you kid played this season ?
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Since mid-July he’s played in 9 matches - 5 in Korea. 3 friendlies. 1 DA Cup game. 4 more coming up over the next couple of weeks in Croatia.

Playing time is happening, just not all in DA games. That’s more on US Soccer than Galaxy though. They should’ve split the 16/17 age group this year like on the girls side. My guess is that DA will do so next year.

Galaxy are rolling with a lot 04s at the U16/17s, but that’s just logistics. Not much different than what Pats, Surf, and others are doing with putting their 04s in NPL, except Galaxy are traveling overseas to get those games. Pick your poison.
 
3leches said:
Not sure why Galaxy signed so many players ? Most of the guys will see very few games this season. They should've PT alot of them or fielded a team in another league. Some of the players that have not touched the field this season struggled last season and the new additions are okay players. Given the fact that 99% of these players will not play professionally; why sacrifice your kids education, self confidence as a player and lack of playtime for a jersey. SBFDAD how many games has you kid played this season ?
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Why so mad at Galaxy
What team does your son play for?
 
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