Multi Sport
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Can you provide me a period in time that climate change was not happening.
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Can you provide me a period in time that climate change was not happening.
Sheriff Joe
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No, not now and not evah.
Lets just follow the money and that will bear fruit.
Wez
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"Climate Change" is not the important part of the discussion. Since the industrial revolution, AGW has become the relevant discussion.
You think I'm going to debate with scientific consensus? Can I tell you the Earth revolves around the sun because of my research? No. As Joe points out, follow the money. The reason there is an anti-science side to the debate is because we are a fossil-fuel based economy and the oil companies' money has created a fake "debate."
Sheriff Joe
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Yes, the science side has no need or want for money.
Wez
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Science needs funding like anything else, difference is, it doesn't rely on a false narrative to further it's profits.
There will always be research, folks. When it reveals issues (such as the NFL concussion research and climate change and tobacco) that threaten massive corporate profits, there are no limits to the lengths that those threatened will go to via media campaigns, character assassination, falsifying its own research, etc., to protect their position. For some reason, the right now believes, as I have stated, that the scientific research side as the power. Somehow we find conservative politics telling us that while telling us that the white hetero male is the oppressed, labor (in an economy where wages are stagnant) wields too much power over management, etc. SMH.
Multi Sport
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Actually Wez, the discussion is not AGW. Everyone knows that AGW exist, but the question is to what extent it is affecting the environment.
Is it so bad that we need to shutter the coal industry and do away with gasoline powered vehicles? Or is it having such a minor impact that we can continue business as usual?
The problem is you can't just use data. Scientist have gone on record saying that we are still exiting the past ice age, so that would mean the Earth is warming. If the that's true, how much warming is just naturally happening? What percent is AGW?
Wez
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Quite a few people in power (and chumps here) don't think AGW is real. The coal industry is shuttering itself. Having a discussion about what to do with AGW is very healthy. Arguing that it isn't something we should prepare for because it is not real or at least not something we should care about, is not healthy. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
Sheriff Joe
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Science counts on fears? So if we weren't afraid of things, we wouldn't have scientific research? I think earlier today you called me a weirdo and now you write this? Give me the science about pots and kettles.
Wez
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Media stokes emotions, science doesn't.
Sheriff Joe
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How is this for a false narrative, fear mongering.
Scientists Claim Hundreds of U.S. Cities May Not Survive Rising Waters…
Sheriff Joe
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we knew about miami, where it's already happening. New York started to reveal when the wall street subway station flooded a couple of years ago. where is the false narrative, exactly?
Sheriff Joe
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It was fucking weirdo, get your fact straight.
Scientists Claim Hundreds of U.S. Cities May Not Survive Rising Waters…
Fear. Count on it.
Al Gore: climate change is the 'biggest challenge our civilisation faces ...
▶ 3:00www.bbc.com/.../al-gore-climate-change-is-the-biggest-challenge-o...
Jul 7, 2014
well joey, let's unpack that question in the face of the Breitbart article that you just sent, screaming about all the cities going underwater...in their overwrought effort to cite the union of concerned scientists' study.
Sheriff Joe
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Fake news
There you go again. You're totally my oldest son, when he was 5 and he would hear things he didn't want to hear, so he would run away with his fingers in his ears.