You said in a prior post two rumors. Are these the two rumors? Seems like "taking money and got caught" and "was also charging parents for playing time and when he didn't deliver parents blew the whistle" is the same thing, so it's just one rumor.
LAFC part ways wit Joey Cascio
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soccerstud
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Accusing someone of wrongfully taking money on the side is such a nasty and defamatory rumor and not worth repeating at all without substantiation. The guy had ego problems and maturity problems and wasn't ready for his position, but he's an excellent and highly philosophical and tactical coach who will grow to be an excellent coach, as soon as he knows when to get out of his own way...
soccerstud
SILVER
"...without substantiation"?, do you want copies of the cashed checks?...a video of him accepting the money? Come on, this is a public forum not an FBI investigation. I was told by three different LAFC parents, who are still with LAFC, in three different occasions that he WAS taking money under the table for "playing time". I also heard from other parents of kids in other Academy Teams that they had heard the same thing. But I get your point, there is no actual proof of that. I figure, if more than one is claiming something, that gives enough evidence for there being some truth to the rumors...and it's not like is unheard of, he just got caught! Pay to Play baby!!
"...had ego problems and maturity problems and wasn't ready for his position" That does not explain why he was let go so abruptly while the season is still going on. Those are good reasons for letting him go at the end of the season NOT as they did. What do you tell the parents who bought into the whole idea of JC..."umm, we let him go cause he was immature and had a huge ego, so now we're starting with a new coach for your kids in the middle of the season" ha ha ha, You have to agree with me that it seems odd, there has got to be something more. Taking money would surely be a reason which feeds the rumors even more.
"...he's an excellent and highly philosophical and tactical coach" I 100% agree with you, but I have my doubts about him growing to be an excellent coach. He does not have the character for it, in my opinion. It's a shame really, young kids can surely use coaches that know and can teach Futbol. However, good ethical values, a person of character, mature, humble, and a good example for kids are equally important traits of a good coach. Unfortunately for JC, I think hes burnt every bridge he has crossed...
"...had ego problems and maturity problems and wasn't ready for his position" That does not explain why he was let go so abruptly while the season is still going on. Those are good reasons for letting him go at the end of the season NOT as they did. What do you tell the parents who bought into the whole idea of JC..."umm, we let him go cause he was immature and had a huge ego, so now we're starting with a new coach for your kids in the middle of the season" ha ha ha, You have to agree with me that it seems odd, there has got to be something more. Taking money would surely be a reason which feeds the rumors even more.
"...he's an excellent and highly philosophical and tactical coach" I 100% agree with you, but I have my doubts about him growing to be an excellent coach. He does not have the character for it, in my opinion. It's a shame really, young kids can surely use coaches that know and can teach Futbol. However, good ethical values, a person of character, mature, humble, and a good example for kids are equally important traits of a good coach. Unfortunately for JC, I think hes burnt every bridge he has crossed...
pay for playing time? there's like 3 subs per team and they all play a lot. there is no angle there at all. it's a ridiculous accusation.
bosses get sick and tired of insubordinate, judgmental and cocky guys all the time...if you have a group of coaches already lined up, as was the case with lafc, then it's simple to get rid of a guy after a final blow-up, if that happened. actually better for the kids, although i hear some JC loyalists left the club after he did.
as to your last paragraph, i won't debate the point. you may well prove to be correct.
bosses get sick and tired of insubordinate, judgmental and cocky guys all the time...if you have a group of coaches already lined up, as was the case with lafc, then it's simple to get rid of a guy after a final blow-up, if that happened. actually better for the kids, although i hear some JC loyalists left the club after he did.
as to your last paragraph, i won't debate the point. you may well prove to be correct.
Fishme1
GOLD
Perhaps the pay to play parents should have some fault to that as well. I'm not part of any JC or LAFC team but if that's true it sucks to hear. However everyone is allowed to make mistakes and learn from them. The pay to play parents should be removed as well. That would be fair to everyone and send the message to everyone.
They are the victims. How is it fair to punish kids whose parents have been fleeced? Makes no sense at all.
Fishme1
GOLD
Does that mean anyone that was considered a starter payed? Nope...It's actually the parents not trusting their kid can do it. If the child is good enough to be in the team the parent shouldn't have to feel like they have to pay to play. You can't possibly think the boys that were starters were paying too. If your son or daughter is good enough, a parent shouldn't have to go to those extremes. It isn't fair to the parents that have a talented enough child that should be playing but can't because a parent with spare change payed the coach to overlook them.
TBH, I have no idea whether this happened, whether anyone paid, how many paid. It's easy to imagine scenarios where parents could be tricked out of money, with the parent forking over cash thinking it's for legit purposes. So you can't just assume paying parents were trying to screw over the playing time of the kids of non-paying parents.
I just think it's wrong to take parents' money and kick out the kid. The parents have been punished by losing money. Taking parents' money and then punishing the kid by kicking him out is double punishment. The kid had nothing to do with this. There's no way kicking out the kid can be the right answer. The kid didn't hit up parents for money. The kid didn't payoff the coach.
Kicking out the kid in the middle of the season and forcing him to find a new team, forcing him to explain to his new team why he got cut mid-season . . . it's a terrible idea. There should be only one victim if these rumors are true, JC, not JC plus several kids.
If you really want to "punish" the kids who maybe got too much playtime because their parents paid, just bench them for a game. But IMO even that's extreme, and I wouldn't do it.
SuperNatural
SILVER ELITE
Parents didn't pay. MLS academies are all scholarship. I hope your child is talented enough to be in that situation someday.
I respectfully submit that we absolutely need to discuss malfeasance in club soccer. It's is awash in sleaze, mostly perpetrated by coaches and clubs against parents. (Don't get me wrong, there's plenty of crap from parents, but the coaches and DOCs tend to have more power.) I think threads like this encourage everyone to be more aware.
Clubs and coaches absolutely rely on decent normal people to refrain from spreading rumors and gossip. But we can't root out this crap unless we talk about it. Personally, I applaud soccerstud for bringing this up.
Now, of course most of us reading the thread can't pretend to know the truth of this situation. However, at the very least any club who is thinking of hiring him needs to do their due diligence. (not holding my breath...)
It isn't "awash in sleaze." sounds like a lot of you have beef because your kids aren't good enough. when my kids aren't good enough, i tell them to get better.
Fishme1
GOLD
Lucky me my boys are. Twins too. And very talented..
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Fishme1
GOLD
Our kids aren't good enough?? Perhaps you should look at what this entire conversation is about instead of taking things personal. Both my twins play academy 04. One I might add will play an age up next season and has also been to the USYNT tryout. However playing academy level doesn't make them the best. It makes them have to play harder and work harder to maintain their spot and reach the goals they intend to reach.
IT DIDNT COST ME A SINGLE DIME..
So only families of all-out ballers are allowed to have an opinion about club soccer? Cool.
But since you bring it up, please walk me through how you assessed my kid's skills through my post. Mirage may be correct that we have better things to talk about than rumors about coaches, so let's go with your topic about how my kid isn't good enough.
Easy. I have been around the youth game for many years, at many clubs, and have not noticed this "sleaze" to which you refer. I have noticed a lot of disgruntled parents, however...and I have been one. The most extreme among them blame criminal behavior for keeping their kid on the bench, which is total b.s. I just figured when 2 or 3 people are chattering on this forum about payoffs to coaches and sleazy youth soccer business, without any examples or willingness to be specific, they sound like they are bitter about something. They wouldn't be bitter if their kid was playing. Therefore, I naturally assume that they are ascribing their kid's not playing to some mysterious graft or other illicit behavior by coaches and parents. It's probably not that; it's that the kid isn't good enough.