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All the rating is ever going to do is predict how well a team is expected to do in their very next recorded game. Can you imagine trying to determine the relative value of each game programmatically, at scale, before deciding how highly to weight that particular game? What is a showcase game compared to a local tournament compared to a national final compared to a pre-season game? What about a late-season league game where everyone decent sits to keep them healthy for playoffs?

The rating is always going to be a calculation based on the past (up to) 20 recorded games in the past year. A game is a game if the score is published and the team can be identified. What some teams do, even at the ECNL level, is just have events with a whole bunch of friendlies and don't record the scores electronically. I can't imagine it's done specifically to avoid hurting anyone's SR score, but it is definitely an accompanying side effect.
I agree, it would be a ridiculous amount of work to start defining that some games are worth less than others.

The bigger question is why do leagues post showcase results if they dont apply to league status? Even if showcase results do apply as a part of league status why not keep the details internal and only post winner/loser not showing the number of goals scored.
 
Don't worry, you'll care a lot less about team rankings in a few months as you focus on recruitment for your player. And then next year people won't care at all.
I agree, it would be a ridiculous amount of work to start defining that some games are worth less than others.

The bigger question is why do leagues post showcase results if they dont apply to league status? Even if showcase results do apply as a part of league status why not keep the details internal and only post winner/loser not showing the number of goals scored.
Because parents will complain if they don't post scores
 
Don't worry, you'll care a lot less about team rankings in a few months as you focus on recruitment for your player. And then next year people won't care at all.

Because parents will complain if they don't post scores
I could care less now 😉

Just pointing out another way clubs and leagues create their own problems. If showcase results do determine something like playoff seed just list results as 1-0 or 0-1 no matter the number of goals scored.
 
I beg to differ. FIFA agrees with me:

FIFA rankings do not weigh friendlies the same as major tournament or qualifier games
; friendlies have a much lower point value (weight), while World Cup finals and qualifiers carry the most weight, reflecting match importance, opponent strength, and confederation competitiveness in the updated Elo-based system. Victories in big tournaments earn significantly more points than friendlies, and losses can be more damaging, encouraging strategic play beyond just avoiding friendlies, notes
 
FIFA isn't rating tens of thousands of teams electronically, in real time, on a budget that is much closer to $0 than to any reasonable sum. They are rating professional teams - whose supporters are financially providing FIFA with the means for everything they do, from rating teams to organizing events, to awarding peace prizes.

Thinking that an app that rates youth sports teams by scraping thousands of results pages and running them through an algorithm, is anywhere close to "the same thing", is like someone saying their moped should perform like Lando Norris's McLaren. Come on, they both have motors, don't they?
 
Additionally - there is already a youth ranking system that does what some are asking for here (rating games differently based on perceived value), and it is terrible. GotSport assigns various point values based on their belief of how important a league or tournament is (i.e. is it GotSport sponsored), and teams receive different amounts of points depending on how they finish. It turns out that they are terrible at actually having these ratings be indicative, and for most teams, it's not much better than a coin-flip whether a higher-rated team in GotSport will beat a lower-rated team. Only at the very top does it get a little better (with teams that win many tournaments), but even then it is miles behind SR in terms of predictivity.
 
FIFA isn't rating tens of thousands of teams electronically, in real time, on a budget that is much closer to $0 than to any reasonable sum. They are rating professional teams - whose supporters are financially providing FIFA with the means for everything they do, from rating teams to organizing events, to awarding peace prizes.

Thinking that an app that rates youth sports teams by scraping thousands of results pages and running them through an algorithm, is anywhere close to "the same thing", is like someone saying their moped should perform like Lando Norris's McLaren. Come on, they both have motors, don't they?
If you can’t afford to, just say that is the reason. The logic of weighing showcase games differently is solid and it woul make the system better. At least at the ECNL level, it wouldn’t be that hard (at least on the surface) because the showcases are clearly known. I am not saying your system isn’t good, I just am saying it would be better. Your system is the best out there currently and that is why I pay for it.
 
If you can’t afford to, just say that is the reason. The logic of weighing showcase games differently is solid and it woul make the system better. At least at the ECNL level, it wouldn’t be that hard (at least on the surface) because the showcases are clearly known. I am not saying your system isn’t good, I just am saying it would be better. Your system is the best out there currently and that is why I pay for it.
Why does it matter? Does it make a difference if your team is ranked higher or lower? Rankings is fun, but it's 100% parent ego.
 
Not my system. Just a happy user. Many things would make the system (any system) more predictive, including tracking weather, field conditions, rosters, even coaching strategies, and plenty of other variables that professional sports bettors (and betting systems) use as a matter of course. But I'm not sure weighting Showcases much differently than other games would be that significant. Of course everyone would agree the outcomes of the games are much less important - but they still provide reasonable data about how teams are performing. I'm not sure discounting them much would make much of a difference in using game outcomes to predict future game outcomes. It's the same with pre-season games. They mean nothing for the record, or anything else, but they are still a reasonably good indicator of how teams perform.

A lot of it comes down to what a rating should represent. Everyone agrees it should rank the "best" team first, and every subsequent team lower, all the way down. But defining "best" is up for much debate. What SR is rating is likelihood of winning a game vs. another rated team. The more games it can pick the correct winner, the higher its predictivity is. It optimizes everything, to make and keep predictivity as high as it can be (and it's pretty good at it). The team that is predicted to beat every other team, is by its definition the best team. But this isn't actually how many sports work. The team that wins the big tournament is the "best" team, even if a "better" team lost in the semis. The winner of the World Series or Super Bowl is the "best" team, even if they didn't have nearly the highest regular season record, and wouldn't be predicted to beat all of the other teams. In our world, the national champion of the highest league can legitimately call themselves the best team, but they may or may not be ranked #1 in SR (or even top 10).
 
Why does it matter? Does it make a difference if your team is ranked higher or lower? Rankings is fun, but it's 100% parent ego.
It is a form of measurement. As a competitor, it is a “non” or “less“ subjective way of measuring performance. Not sure what you mean by “matter”. A lot of things you find important to you doesn’t “matter” to me. What matters is subjective. Everything I do that has importance to me matters, and I want to continually improve upon and that is way measuring is important. Until soccer becomes professional, this is all fun and games. So yes, it is fun, but there are a lot more than just parents that look at the rankings. Highly competitive people will understand this. If you are not, you won’t. It may just be different strokes for different folks.
 
It is a form of measurement. As a competitor, it is a “non” or “less“ subjective way of measuring performance. Not sure what you mean by “matter”. A lot of things you find important to you doesn’t “matter” to me. What matters is subjective. Everything I do that has importance to me matters, and I want to continually improve upon and that is way measuring is important. Until soccer becomes professional, this is all fun and games. So yes, it is fun, but there are a lot more than just parents that look at the rankings. Highly competitive people will understand this. If you are not, you won’t. It may just be different strokes for different folks.
The advantage of the ranking app is it does one thing pretty well. If you start weighting results it wont be as good (depending on your perspective) at the one thing it does well. Also how do you define the weight of certain games? How would you place equivalent levels of weight to the same type of event run by different leagues? What if the results of the same type of event is used in one league for results and not used in others to do the same? What if one league does a certain type of event more than another? You want certain events (showvases) to have less weight in defining ranking. Other people will want other events (playoffs) to have more weight. What about adding a "power" ranking to certain regional leagues like what college does? Maybe certain tournaments should have more weight then others. As you can see you might get a "better" result by weighting results but the problem is you add in subjectivity and perspective. Subjectivity will open the door to exploitation. On top of everything else it would be a massive amount of work to maintain an event weight definition. Also the definition of weight will change over time. What this means is that the value of data will be low because the definition of weight added will be inconsistent.

As I wrote previously a better to get what you want (less weight for showcases) is for leagues to only present win/lose or 1-0/0-1 for showcase games. Why show the number of goals scored when showcase results arent supposed to matter? You can keep goals scored data internal and maybe present at the end of the season. Theres likely reasons to have correct data provided.
 
It is a form of measurement. As a competitor, it is a “non” or “less“ subjective way of measuring performance. Not sure what you mean by “matter”. A lot of things you find important to you doesn’t “matter” to me. What matters is subjective. Everything I do that has importance to me matters, and I want to continually improve upon and that is way measuring is important. Until soccer becomes professional, this is all fun and games. So yes, it is fun, but there are a lot more than just parents that look at the rankings. Highly competitive people will understand this. If you are not, you won’t. It may just be different strokes for different folks.
Nobody other than parents are looking at the rankings. College coaches don't care about nuanced rankings...they generally know what clubs and leagues produce the best players.
 
Nobody other than parents are looking at the rankings. College coaches don't care about nuanced rankings...they generally know what clubs and leagues produce the best players.
I think college coaches look at the rankings app for a general understanding of a club or teams ability. Its free and easy to use so why not? However they likely dont care if teams are 1st or 50th its more to understand the level of play players on XYZ team are used to and capable of.
 
As I wrote previously a better to get what you want (less weight for showcases) is for leagues to only present win/lose or 1-0/0-1 for showcase games. Why show the number of goals scored when showcase results arent supposed to matter? You can keep goals scored data internal and maybe present at the end of the season. Theres likely reasons to have correct data provided.

I'm not sure this would result in "better" ratings for the specific teams either. If team A is 2 goals better than team B, and demolishes them in a showcase 3-0, changing the reported score to 1-0 slightly harms the rating of team A (and helps team B). Making everything only a goal apart when the teams might be more than a goal apart, is a gift to the lesser teams and a penalty to the better teams. As always, report every game score as played, and it will continue to predict future game results, as played. If the game truly doesn't matter and a team doesn't want the scores to count - don't play a recorded game.
 
I agree with this 100%. There should be zero incentive to win showcase games, outside of individual player effort and desire to win those games. Coaches should do their best to showcase all their players and that's it.
unfortunately some coaches have not caught onto this yet and are still trying to win these games or using the games to try new formations or lineups instead of using them to showcase the players in their strongest positions to help them get recruited.
 
Nobody other than parents are looking at the rankings. College coaches don't care about nuanced rankings...they generally know what clubs and leagues produce the best players.

I doubt they look much at SR, but you need more than club and league.

Most clubs have strong years and weak years. You guys have clubs where bad year means "didn't go to Virginia." We get a little more variety.
 
I doubt they look much at SR, but you need more than club and league.

Most clubs have strong years and weak years. You guys have clubs where bad year means "didn't go to Virginia." We get a little more variety.
That is funny but true
 
This doesn’t even make sense how the rankings app has Real Colorado National as #1 in the nation….

I thought it may be a glitch that would be resolved in a day or two, but instead it is still showing Real Colorado as #1 on Monday. Looking closer at their results, they have been phenomenal right up through the end of November, even beating Koge, Concorde Fire and SLSG in Phoenix. In league prior to that they were dominant and unbeatable. But in their last 5 games, they have only gone 2-3, with all 3 losses showing as an underperform against their rating. The losses certainly hurt the raw rating, but seems not enough yet to change their ranking. They still have a 0.2 goal lead over Koge and a 0.3 goal lead over MVLA. Their next league game is 1/31, with 5 games scheduled over a 2 week stretch. Depending on whether they continue the slump, or instead return to mid-november form, their rating/ranking will be reflected appropriately.

It looks like they are back in form, starting the new year off with an 8-0 win and a 5-0 win. They certainly can be caught, but any teams chasing that rating are going to have to be just as dominant (well, actually a little more). Their day-to-day schedule may not be quite as hard as some of the top teams in the southwest, but it is still the 18th strongest schedule in the country over the past year (over thousands and thousands of teams of that age bracket). MVLA and Solar both played a weaker schedule. Even San Diego Surf played a weaker schedule. FWIW, the Legends FC ECNL played the hardest schedule in the nation at 49.22, Real Colorado played a 48.61.

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It looks like they are back in form, starting the new year off with an 8-0 win and a 5-0 win. They certainly can be caught, but any teams chasing that rating are going to have to be just as dominant (well, actually a little more). Their day-to-day schedule may not be quite as hard as some of the top teams in the southwest, but it is still the 18th strongest schedule in the country over the past year (over thousands and thousands of teams of that age bracket). MVLA and Solar both played a weaker schedule. Even San Diego Surf played a weaker schedule. FWIW, the Legends FC ECNL played the hardest schedule in the nation at 49.22, Real Colorado played a 48.61.

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Is anyone honestly looking at team rankings anymore at this age? There's no way anyone cares about this anymore right?
 
Is anyone honestly looking at team rankings anymore at this age? There's no way anyone cares about this anymore right?
No, rankings no longer matter.

Outside of getting the team into national events. Even then it doesnt really matter because many of the top players already have a college in mind.

Its all about individual players getting recruited and highlighting themselves now.
 
Is anyone honestly looking at team rankings anymore at this age? There's no way anyone cares about this anymore right?
I'm not sure this is accurate for everybody. Nobody admits to caring much at all, sure. But in the instance they believe that their kid's team rating is unfairly incorrect, or a competing team has an "unfairly higher rating", just by looking at posts complaining about it here it seems there is in fact some care involved.

All it ever is, is a mathematical representation of which team would be expected to beat which team based on prior performance. Whether that is very important, sorta important, a little important, or not important in the least, are all viewpoints that can be defended.
 
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