Maybe not that high with USL and Mexican leagues considered but outcomes are arguably biased towards college. Still not the mission of MLSN though.
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Thatonedad
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Don’t know the number but the relevant measure isn’t all of mlsn. The regular mlsn teams are just there to serve the academies. Any thing else applicable to their existence is a secondary concern. The relevant figure is the number of mls academy kids who go on to play any level of pro v college.
While the odds are better with an academy since they theoretically have a more direct link to MLS teams (although I think that's overrated), why is it more relevant? You know full well MLSN's claimed mission is the pro-track, regardless of academy or not, that's part of the rationalization for the no HS play. With the exception of maybe the Union and RSL, the homegrown player track has largely been unsuccessful.
I'm curious though to see what the San Diego FC academy can do. The facility they're building is very impressive. Not sure though that the Right to Dream organization is any different than any other "pathway" snake oil salesmen.
If colleges can offer scholarships, NIL, and players get paid isn't that the same thing as a pro contract just payed In a different way?
Top talent has already funneled into MLSN and by doing this they're all under contract. If colleges want to win they're going to need to pay to get the best players. The only thing that would be different between pro and college contracts is the scale of pay.
Once the foreign clubs figure out that college soccer is now a version of pro soccer they're going to charge transfer fees, etc. Players won't be allowed to just attend college for free anymore.
ECNL can try to undercut MLSN when marketing players to college but it won't work because this will just make MLSN clubs look harder for talent.
Trapped players get stuck with two problems.
First is 8th grade. 3/4 of their team goes off to play high school, and they‘re stuck for 3 months practicing with youngers and playing no games.
Then, junior and Senior year, they’re on the giant u18/U19 team, which simply doesn’t have enough playing time to go around.
Lots of people say lots of things. That’s why we have all the “elites” and “academies” in the soccer world. The reality is the regular next teams can’t play hs because they need to be available to play against the academy teams. Because of weather difference across the us, the high school season is not the same and the academies aren’t organized regionally like ecnl. the needs of the academy are what’s driving this train. Other than the pro pathway of getting picked up by academy coaches who see you in action, the regular next teams are there as fodder.
Aren’t non-trapped players during their senior year also on giant u18/u19 teams?
yes. Trapped players get the big team twice, non-trapped get it once.
So we should change the month cutoff for everyone because of an isolated 3 month issue that occurs for half the kids once in their soccer life? That's why I say the "trapped" player issue is grossly exaggerated. Their may be other reasons to change, but "trapped" players is not it.
I see it differently. Where is the money to pay for soccer players? Max they get a scholarship and maybe a stipend for room and board. Maybe a player that has a stronger social media following gets some bigger NIL money. People are already concerned that schools are going to drop soccer because they won't be able afford 24 scholarships.
I'm not disparaging college soccer, and a few college soccer players go on to play pro, but our system develops very few true professional players, particularly given the number of kids the participate in soccer.
IMO it would be a disaster if US Soccer took over college soccer. US Soccer couldn't work it's way out of a wet paper bag. As greedy as the NCAA is, they're an incredibly well oiled machine, particularly given its size and how many sports it administers.
Soccerfan2
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Don’t worry - the problem jr/sr year resolves itself. By spring, the giant team is scrounging up players just to have enough to play in games because so many of them have quit or stopped coming regularly.
There's much more $$$ in college sports than people think or have been trained to think by NCAA. Also I'm not sure how great NCAA is at making money. I have an odd feeling that anyone who didn't pay their employees for services rendered would do very well.
I do agree that many non revenue sports will switch from supported by the college to club. What US Soccer appears to be trying to do is bridge the gap by helping to facilitate a college semi pro environment.
In the end colleges can still offer scholarships which when combined with a semi pro league isn't that bad. However the teams might be holding bake sales before and after home games
Apparently what was in the link about US Soccer taking over NCAA soccer is just the soccer version of what's going on in the college American football scene.Since we're into rumors did you see that there's a rumor that ACC, Big 10, and other college leagues are in talks to drop NCAA and align to US Soccer. If this happens they also intend to do year round soccer that mirrors MLS. Also MLS is changing to BY.
What this means is that college might completely change to BY.
If this is all true it explains why MLS and maybe GA arent commenting on BY to SY.
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College football ‘Super League’ proposed to replace NCAA and CFP - SportsPro
The competition has gained little support from conferences and schools so far to protect relationships with broadcasters.
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The only thing holding up college football from making the change is Media contracts with NBC, CBS, Fox. etc that go through 2030. Fortunately (or unfortunately) college soccer isnt burdened by media contracts into 2030.
Ask a college AD, not the NCAA, how much money is in college soccer. It's a loser. Thank football and basketball for the existence of college soccer. If football and basketball get profit sharing for its players that's even less money for the non-revenue sports.
How do you propose US Soccer fund a college league? Maybe some sponsorship, but ticket revenue is non-existent. Even the College Cup only draws a few hundred fans and that's mostly family. So yeah, bake sales might be the way to go.
There's colleges that have so much money in investments (tax free) that they don't even need to charge tuition. (But the still do)
Colleges just need to provide facilities, a coach, scholorships to players, and people will continue to flock to the programs.
It’s absolutely over exaggerated. Even non “trapped” players that play ecrl ECNL have this problem. If your a younger team that has nobody high school aged your whole team is on break for 3 months. Theres is no reason to do this other than someone somewhere to make money. It’s pushed by that and the parents supporting it are the ones that have kids that are not good and will be able to move down a team. All the “trapped” players I’m around are in an amazing spot. They are getting an extra year of scouts watching them.
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This is a small fraction of colleges - that doesn't necessarily overlap with the set of colleges that have competitive soccer programs. What would work for them would not work for the vast majority of schools.
US Club Soccer already has an idea of the funding model. Look in the mirror and open your wallet Mr Dad and Mrs Mom.
That will be the idea until there is a scalable alternative? Ticket sales and TV ad revenue would require a College Soccer Culture - maybe that is what they try to build over time?
Ok, not all colleges have that kind of money but many do and most are doing better than people think.
Either way facilities already exist and scholorships don't cost colleges anything. Your only cost for running a sports team is the coach and coaching staff. Facilities maintence and ticket taker costs are distributed by all the different sports.
If college coaches and coaching staff are also able to teach classes Soccer costs offset depending on the number of students that take their classes.
There's all kinds of ways to make college soccer work even if it isn't revenue generating. Schools just don't want to consider tightening their belt or making changes.