U17 girls looked like a Silverlakes team throwin' up low % shots from anywhere v. Spain

It’s basically what you see at the club and college level - individual soccer, ball hogging, shooting for no reason - soccer is a team sport and no matter how good you are, you need each other to win. Ball hogging is valued in US soccer, forget the perfectly weighted passes, or the final pass for the player to score. As long as you are the one tapping the goal in even though someone behind you did all the work. The kid that is valued is the one that constantly hogs the ball and dribbles from midfield every chance they get or the kid that shoots at an impossible angle instead of crossing the ball for their teammate. Spain knew when to pass, when to hold the ball and when to shoot .. soccer IQ and valuing team play rather than a bunch of ball hogging selfish play.
 
I think in a few years there will be a shift to questioning all the individual trianing kids do vs. free play.. or just play in general.
Many clubs in Europe have similar Coerver based training but it's done at a team level, with team interacitons where its incorporated into the play.

The ynt pipeline at the younger level is no different that what we saw yesterday.
There are players in the US who play more like Spain does vs. the frantic run run style the US plays. Most of these players aren't picked for the final usynt squads. They don't play the style and fit the system well.
 
Orangeteam said:
I think in a few years there will be a shift to questioning all the individual trianing kids do vs. free play.. or just play in general.
Many clubs in Europe have similar Coerver based training but it's done at a team level, with team interacitons where its incorporated into the play.

The ynt pipeline at the younger level is no different that what we saw yesterday.
There are players in the US who play more like Spain does vs. the frantic run run style the US plays. Most of these players aren't picked for the final usynt squads. They don't play the style and fit the system well.
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These same players are also overlooked at the college level.
 
Orangeteam said:
I think in a few years there will be a shift to questioning all the individual trianing kids do vs. free play.. or just play in general.
Many clubs in Europe have similar Coerver based training but it's done at a team level, with team interacitons where its incorporated into the play.

The ynt pipeline at the younger level is no different that what we saw yesterday.
There are players in the US who play more like Spain does vs. the frantic run run style the US plays. Most of these players aren't picked for the final usynt squads. They don't play the style and fit the system well.
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Naw. Its been this way since forever in the US. Its not changing in a few years. Not enough quality coaching in US system even in ynt.
 
These takes are interesting. I did not think Spain was much superior from a tactical perspective, sure a few examples of kickball out of the back from the US, but not often The last 20 minutes were a beautiful display of possession by Spain, however, my biggest critique of the US was around player selection and the starting lineup. One of the benefits of playing Spain in the first game of pool play is the opportunity to see which players are unable to perform when the opponent is equally as talented. IMO, the 3 most impressive players on the field seemed to be wearing US uniforms. (KF, MB, TA).
 
Kkk said:
It’s basically what you see at the club and college level - individual soccer, ball hogging, shooting for no reason - soccer is a team sport and no matter how good you are, you need each other to win. Ball hogging is valued in US soccer, forget the perfectly weighted passes, or the final pass for the player to score. As long as you are the one tapping the goal in even though someone behind you did all the work. The kid that is valued is the one that constantly hogs the ball and dribbles from midfield every chance they get or the kid that shoots at an impossible angle instead of crossing the ball for their teammate. Spain knew when to pass, when to hold the ball and when to shoot .. soccer IQ and valuing team play rather than a bunch of ball hogging selfish play.
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I was just watching Stanford vs NC and this play here is a good example of ball hogging and bad decisions. Why in the world did she not pass the ball to her wide opened teammate for the easy tap in:
 
I agree with so much of what has been posted here, and I don't see it changing until the top-level youth players are training with professional teams. There is just too much at stake for the clubs to force an emphasis on team play over the individual. In addition to NC-Stanford, the UCLA- Penn State game last night is another example. UCLA's attacking players kept trying to take the PSU defenders 1v1, and even 1v3 at times, and it was just wasted opportunities.
 
Kkk said:
It’s basically what you see at the club and college level - individual soccer, ball hogging, shooting for no reason - soccer is a team sport and no matter how good you are, you need each other to win. Ball hogging is valued in US soccer, forget the perfectly weighted passes, or the final pass for the player to score. As long as you are the one tapping the goal in even though someone behind you did all the work. The kid that is valued is the one that constantly hogs the ball and dribbles from midfield every chance they get or the kid that shoots at an impossible angle instead of crossing the ball for their teammate. Spain knew when to pass, when to hold the ball and when to shoot .. soccer IQ and valuing team play rather than a bunch of ball hogging selfish play.
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No truer words spoken- coaching anyone???
 
Orangeteam said:
I think in a few years there will be a shift to questioning all the individual trianing kids do vs. free play.. or just play in general.
Many clubs in Europe have similar Coerver based training but it's done at a team level, with team interacitons where its incorporated into the play.

The ynt pipeline at the younger level is no different that what we saw yesterday.
There are players in the US who play more like Spain does vs. the frantic run run style the US plays. Most of these players aren't picked for the final usynt squads. They don't play the style and fit the system well.
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I would venture 90% of the youth team selection process is political....
 
tabletop said:
These takes are interesting. I did not think Spain was much superior from a tactical perspective, sure a few examples of kickball out of the back from the US, but not often The last 20 minutes were a beautiful display of possession by Spain, however, my biggest critique of the US was around player selection and the starting lineup. One of the benefits of playing Spain in the first game of pool play is the opportunity to see which players are unable to perform when the opponent is equally as talented. IMO, the 3 most impressive players on the field seemed to be wearing US uniforms. (KF, MB, TA).
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Politics, politics, politics- remember in U.S. Kamala got "0" votes but was selected anyway... 💰 💰 💰 💰 💰
 
algomez619 said:
I was just watching Stanford vs NC and this play here is a good example of ball hogging and bad decisions. Why in the world did she not pass the ball to her wide opened teammate for the easy tap in:
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Or, better yet, why is men's college soccer so dramatically different then women's??
 
From the Spot said:
I agree with so much of what has been posted here, and I don't see it changing until the top-level youth players are training with professional teams. There is just too much at stake for the clubs to force an emphasis on team play over the individual. In addition to NC-Stanford, the UCLA- Penn State game last night is another example. UCLA's attacking players kept trying to take the PSU defenders 1v1, and even 1v3 at times, and it was just wasted opportunities.
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No, in fact Club coaches routinely encourage the bad behavior while sipping from their flasks....🍻
 
US values most athletic is #1. Things won’t change until technical and tactical are valued just as much. The number of bad passes (to the other team, not quick enough etc.) and inability to hold the ball and be patient to make good plays really was the difference between US and Spain. Sending a long ball isn’t necessarily a bad decision, but it needs to be accurate and one of many tools. Kicking the ball in hopes a tall, fast aggressive striker will get it and score rarely works against other good teams.
 
Have you ever heard a US youth soccer coach talk about soccer as a game of odds/percentages? What are the odds of successfully advancing the ball (and maintaining possession) by dribbling in to traffic versus passing the ball? For the matter, have your ever heard a US coach talk about soccer primarily being a decision making sport? Of course, you need the skills to execute your decision, but if your making low percentage success decisions it doesn't matter how skilled your are in most cases. This applies to decisions made both on and off the ball. I don't think Soccer IQ is even on most coaches top 5 list.
 
WatchthemPlay said:
US values most athletic is #1. Things won’t change until technical and tactical are valued just as much. The number of bad passes (to the other team, not quick enough etc.) and inability to hold the ball and be patient to make good plays really was the difference between US and Spain. Sending a long ball isn’t necessarily a bad decision, but it needs to be accurate and one of many tools. Kicking the ball in hopes a tall, fast aggressive striker will get it and score rarely works against other good teams.
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I don't think these players, especially 2 of the 3 starting "forwards" reflect your first statement. The US didn't really bring the typical US fast/strong/athletic forwards that have attended previous camps. KA is not a "tall, fast aggressive striker". MB is more of a creative mid. I think the US was trying to bring in skill. Sadly these players lack chemistry and don't train with each other much, not compared to the Spain players who basically come from two clubs.
 
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