War in Ukraine soon?

I think Putin is rendering a tremendous service to the Russian people living in Ukraine. He is going to finally end the civil war and comply with their wishes to rejoin Russia. The internal strife between proEuro and proRussia will end with this division. Both sides can now part ways. The Russians living in Ukraine who previously had been forbidden to use the Russian language in Ukraine can now again use their own language.

Sorry, but it was never the intention of Russia to invade ALL of Ukraine. Russia from past actions have been selective on their targets. They are only in there to rescue the Russians who were oppressed in these nations. This pattern is seen in Georgia. This pattern is seen in Crimea. Both areas which had been occupied by Russia share 2 things in common

1. The population voted overwhelming to join Russia.
2. The population were suppressed through war and violence by their own government.

If Russia was going to invade ALL of Ukraine, then I would have been pro Ukraine. However, I have to use past actions to predict future actions.
You are wrong.
 
The war is still going on and we just sent another $1.7B. Small Business is now at a 48 year low of any confidence. The losers plan was to destroy mom & pop small biz here in America and then send all the cash to Ukraine.
 
Endangering the nation/the free world in the name of domestic politics, in a desperate need of a win.
Our border is a far more immediate threat to the US than Ukraine's border (i.e. stopping Russia from advancing their interests). I'm in favor of helping Ukraine, but right now its just a blank check with no limits or plan to end the conflict. A stalemate in Ukraine serves our purposes as well as Ukraine winning the war and getting their territory back. Both prevent Russia from invading a NATO country and starting World War III. Putin is losing even more support in his country although he is still in charge. His death cannot come soon enough. If something had been done (sanctions etc) when Putin was assembling his troops at the border, we wouldn't be in this mess, but Biden was too afraid to that it would antagonize Putin. Of course, maybe Biden was just following Obama's policy that Russia wasn't a geopolitical foe.
 
Our border is a far more immediate threat to the US than Ukraine's border (i.e. stopping Russia from advancing their interests). I'm in favor of helping Ukraine, but right now its just a blank check with no limits or plan to end the conflict. A stalemate in Ukraine serves our purposes as well as Ukraine winning the war and getting their territory back. Both prevent Russia from invading a NATO country and starting World War III. Putin is losing even more support in his country although he is still in charge. His death cannot come soon enough. If something had been done (sanctions etc) when Putin was assembling his troops at the border, we wouldn't be in this mess, but Biden was too afraid to that it would antagonize Putin. Of course, maybe Biden was just following Obama's policy that Russia wasn't a geopolitical foe.
There's zero chance Russia will invade a NATO country. That type of hyperbolic nonsense is ridiculous.

Blaming Biden for Putin's actions is also fantasy thinking. Putin has given zero Fs about any US president's opinions or actions for decades. Sanctions cannot work - as has clearly been shown - when China & India in particular are happy to continue trading with Russia.

Putin is a lunatic with absolute power, a dictator and autocrat - it would be real handy if he would keel over, providing an alternative isn't worse!
 
There's zero chance Russia will invade a NATO country. That type of hyperbolic nonsense is ridiculous.

Blaming Biden for Putin's actions is also fantasy thinking. Putin has given zero Fs about any US president's opinions or actions for decades. Sanctions cannot work - as has clearly been shown - when China & India in particular are happy to continue trading with Russia.

Putin is a lunatic with absolute power, a dictator and autocrat - it would be real handy if he would keel over, providing an alternative isn't worse!
We need to deal with the war in our own country first and foremost. Liars, cheaters, assholes, killers, psychopaths, crackheads, Warhawks, thieves, Pedos and the like have destroyed our country.

Biden: "No question" Trump supported an insurrection.
 
There's zero chance Russia will invade a NATO country. That type of hyperbolic nonsense is ridiculous.

Blaming Biden for Putin's actions is also fantasy thinking. Putin has given zero Fs about any US president's opinions or actions for decades. Sanctions cannot work - as has clearly been shown - when China & India in particular are happy to continue trading with Russia.

Putin is a lunatic with absolute power, a dictator and autocrat - it would be real handy if he would keel over, providing an alternative isn't worse!
Correct there is zero chance that Putin will invade a NATO, now that its been depleted by the Ukraine war(1). That's my point. However, Biden did absolutely nothing though when Russia assembled its troops on the border. Putin deserves the abundance of the blame, but Biden folded like a cheap tent. Yes, Putin is a lunatic (although not completely disconnected from reality), but his power is not mitigated when the US shows weakness. I'd try looking at the facts, Russia invaded Crimea under Obama and Ukraine under Biden. Oddly, Russia did nothing when Trump was president. Despite the fact that Trump bombed Russian military assets in Syria. Remember, your media said Trump's actions against Syria/Russia would start WW3.

When in reality it sent a message to Putin that we weren't going to tolerate his BS. Do you actually think its just a coincidence that Russia stayed put during the Trump administration? If you do, you're seriously disconnected from reality. Now, I concede that Trump's unpredictability might of also discouraged Putin from trying anything. I'm a firm believer in "peace through strength" because its historically proven to be effective.

So what's your position on funding Ukraine? I assume you are against it since you believe invading Poland is hyperbolic nonsense. Otherwise, what's our strategic benefit to helping a country that's at this point far from being a democracy? You seem to be talking out both sides of your mouth. Putin is a lunatic, but he wouldn't invade Poland (despite Russian threats to do so)? How do you reconcile those two statements?

I enjoy the irony of your claim of hyperbolic nonsense when you believe that that Palestinians plight is the fault of Israel. That's just comical and completely ignores the long history of the violence, barbarism and complete dismissal of a two-state solution by the majority of Palestinians (at least those in Gaza and the West Bank). Not only historically, but were seeing it in real time. Palestinians have never honored peace for land.

(1) It's not hyperbolic nonsense when Russian authorities have threatened to attack Poland and Russia has a history of invading other countries.
 
Correct there is zero chance that Putin will invade a NATO, now that its been depleted by the Ukraine war(1). That's my point. However, Biden did absolutely nothing though when Russia assembled its troops on the border. Putin deserves the abundance of the blame, but Biden folded like a cheap tent. Yes, Putin is a lunatic (although not completely disconnected from reality), but his power is not mitigated when the US shows weakness. I'd try looking at the facts, Russia invaded Crimea under Obama and Ukraine under Biden. Oddly, Russia did nothing when Trump was president. Despite the fact that Trump bombed Russian military assets in Syria. Remember, your media said Trump's actions against Syria/Russia would start WW3.

When in reality it sent a message to Putin that we weren't going to tolerate his BS. Do you actually think its just a coincidence that Russia stayed put during the Trump administration? If you do, you're seriously disconnected from reality. Now, I concede that Trump's unpredictability might of also discouraged Putin from trying anything. I'm a firm believer in "peace through strength" because its historically proven to be effective.

So what's your position on funding Ukraine? I assume you are against it since you believe invading Poland is hyperbolic nonsense. Otherwise, what's our strategic benefit to helping a country that's at this point far from being a democracy? You seem to be talking out both sides of your mouth. Putin is a lunatic, but he wouldn't invade Poland (despite Russian threats to do so)? How do you reconcile those two statements?

I enjoy the irony of your claim of hyperbolic nonsense when you believe that that Palestinians plight is the fault of Israel. That's just comical and completely ignores the long history of the violence, barbarism and complete dismissal of a two-state solution by the majority of Palestinians (at least those in Gaza and the West Bank). Not only historically, but were seeing it in real time. Palestinians have never honored peace for land.

(1) It's not hyperbolic nonsense when Russian authorities have threatened to attack Poland and Russia has a history of invading other countries.
Christ you're desperate for an argument, even to extent of thinking for me and forming my opinions for me!

Without the Europeans, any sanctions against Russia were toothless. European reliance on Russia for oil and gas meant they treated Putin with kids gloves, even being reticent about harsher sanctions after the invasion (e.g. SWIFT & sanctioning Putin himself).

Its certainly possible that Putin was afraid of Trump, although the Covid thing from 2019-2020 may have curtailed Putin's expansionist ambitions a bit too or at least impacted the timeline.

I'm no media mogul, so I've no idea where you get the "your media" narrative.

I'm for funding for Ukraine BTW. Their president is democratically elected. The next elections are due in March but can't proceed because the country is at war and under marital law, and Ukraine's laws prohibit elections if under martial law. Ukraine can change that law, its their choice.

Not sure why you are bringing the Palestinian/Israeli thing into this thread. Thanks for forming my opinions for me on it though, it saves me the effort I suppose :confused:
 
Correct there is zero chance that Putin will invade a NATO, now that its been depleted by the Ukraine war(1). That's my point. However, Biden did absolutely nothing though when Russia assembled its troops on the border. Putin deserves the abundance of the blame, but Biden folded like a cheap tent. Yes, Putin is a lunatic (although not completely disconnected from reality), but his power is not mitigated when the US shows weakness. I'd try looking at the facts, Russia invaded Crimea under Obama and Ukraine under Biden. Oddly, Russia did nothing when Trump was president. Despite the fact that Trump bombed Russian military assets in Syria. Remember, your media said Trump's actions against Syria/Russia would start WW3.

When in reality it sent a message to Putin that we weren't going to tolerate his BS. Do you actually think its just a coincidence that Russia stayed put during the Trump administration? If you do, you're seriously disconnected from reality. Now, I concede that Trump's unpredictability might of also discouraged Putin from trying anything. I'm a firm believer in "peace through strength" because its historically proven to be effective.

So what's your position on funding Ukraine? I assume you are against it since you believe invading Poland is hyperbolic nonsense. Otherwise, what's our strategic benefit to helping a country that's at this point far from being a democracy? You seem to be talking out both sides of your mouth. Putin is a lunatic, but he wouldn't invade Poland (despite Russian threats to do so)? How do you reconcile those two statements?

I enjoy the irony of your claim of hyperbolic nonsense when you believe that that Palestinians plight is the fault of Israel. That's just comical and completely ignores the long history of the violence, barbarism and complete dismissal of a two-state solution by the majority of Palestinians (at least those in Gaza and the West Bank). Not only historically, but were seeing it in real time. Palestinians have never honored peace for land.

(1) It's not hyperbolic nonsense when Russian authorities have threatened to attack Poland and Russia has a history of invading other countries.
Trump has that Midas touch. Trump is 5 moves ahead in 5D Chess and has something over every country. I shared this before and it's worth watching and repeating. Trump took down all the Top Pedos and the Old Guard (The ultra rich power players we never see). The best way to catch the rest of their under links and those who sold us all out for money were tricked into a trap. That's why Space Force was invented. This is what I think, whatithink.

THE DESTRUCTION OF THE OLD GUARD - WHERE WE GO ONE WE GO ALL (rumble.com)

In 2017 folks Trump had everyone by the balls and went around the world making deals with these sickos. Each sicko was given a chance to capitulate, play a role in the movie or go down with the sinking ship because of treason and their crimes against humanity. Trump and Space Force allowed the rest of the losers to cheat and steal, just like all the punks that do the Grab & Go for under $900 and never get arrested. The one's at the top of this pyramid are just more high-end type of thieves, WHO use children to make a buck. This place is so fuked up. We have a lot of healing that needs to take place. My pal is finally waking up. All of this weird and evil behavior ties to Gates and Epstein is about to be exposed for the world to see. I said this as well that Epsteins last words before he killed himself was, "Fuck you, Bill."
 
Christ you're desperate for an argument, even to extent of thinking for me and forming my opinions for me!

Without the Europeans, any sanctions against Russia were toothless. European reliance on Russia for oil and gas meant they treated Putin with kids gloves, even being reticent about harsher sanctions after the invasion (e.g. SWIFT & sanctioning Putin himself).

Its certainly possible that Putin was afraid of Trump, although the Covid thing from 2019-2020 may have curtailed Putin's expansionist ambitions a bit too or at least impacted the timeline.

I'm no media mogul, so I've no idea where you get the "your media" narrative.

I'm for funding for Ukraine BTW. Their president is democratically elected. The next elections are due in March but can't proceed because the country is at war and under marital law, and Ukraine's laws prohibit elections if under martial law. Ukraine can change that law, its their choice.

Not sure why you are bringing the Palestinian/Israeli thing into this thread. Thanks for forming my opinions for me on it though, it saves me the effort I suppose :confused:
Desperate for an argument? You seemed to be begging for an argument when you said "that type of hyperbolic nonsense is ridiculous". In the past our debates have always been civil and focused on substance, not unsubstantiated exclamations or arguably ad-hominems.

If I'm misquoting your position on Palestinians, then my apologies. My recollection is that you said most Palestinians were in favor of a two state solution and that Israelis were responsible, in part, for the plight of Palestinians. It seemed pretty obvious to me that you were trying to "both-sides" the conflict. Now given what we've seen the last couple of months maybe your position has changed, or maybe I just assumed too much. I admit to being triggered by the pervasive Jew hate I've seen the last couple of months in our own country, mostly in our academic and political institutions. The rank hypocrisy from many "progressives" (kudos though to Dems like Schumer, C. Coumo, Maher), and the lack of accountability for Jew hate, has been mind boggling to me. At the time, you questioned who was rationalizing the murder of Jews. Given what has occurred over the last couple of months, I trust you clearly see that there are many from the "pro-Palestinian" side that are in fact doing just that, but I also consider not condemning the genocide of Jews to be the same as rationalizing it...but maybe that's just me. It's disappointing to see how the condemnation of hate is conditioned on someone's political narrative.
 
Desperate for an argument? You seemed to be begging for an argument when you said "that type of hyperbolic nonsense is ridiculous". In the past our debates have always been civil and focused on substance, not unsubstantiated exclamations or arguably ad-hominems.

If I'm misquoting your position on Palestinians, then my apologies. My recollection is that you said most Palestinians were in favor of a two state solution and that Israelis were responsible, in part, for the plight of Palestinians. It seemed pretty obvious to me that you were trying to "both-sides" the conflict. Now given what we've seen the last couple of months maybe your position has changed, or maybe I just assumed too much. I admit to being triggered by the pervasive Jew hate I've seen the last couple of months in our own country, mostly in our academic and political institutions. The rank hypocrisy from many "progressives" (kudos though to Dems like Schumer, C. Coumo, Maher), and the lack of accountability for Jew hate, has been mind boggling to me. At the time, you questioned who was rationalizing the murder of Jews. Given what has occurred over the last couple of months, I trust you clearly see that there are many from the "pro-Palestinian" side that are in fact doing just that, but I also consider not condemning the genocide of Jews to be the same as rationalizing it...but maybe that's just me. It's disappointing to see how the condemnation of hate is conditioned on someone's political narrative.
I consider it hyperbole because part of Putin's public rational was that Ukraine was going to join NATO, and part of the pacification attempts were to get Ukraine to commit never to join. Once in NATO, Putin never attacks. If Russia has learnt anything in the last 2 years its that they have zero chance against NATO unless they are prepared to go nuclear, and then we are all fucked.

Gaza and the West Bank are literally call the "occupied territories", not my phrase. Gaza in particular has been locked down by Israel for years. There's nothing in those statements that support Hamas or condones anything they have done. I have zero issue with Israel's right to defend itself or its desire to eradicate those that committed the atrocities on Oct 7th. I also have no truck with the "indiscriminate" (not my term either) killing of thousands of innocents. I can comfortably have both views. I see no incompatibility in having both either.

I also find the anti jewish sentiments on the rise disgusting. They should have no place in any society.
 
I consider it hyperbole because part of Putin's public rational was that Ukraine was going to join NATO, and part of the pacification attempts were to get Ukraine to commit never to join. Once in NATO, Putin never attacks. If Russia has learnt anything in the last 2 years its that they have zero chance against NATO unless they are prepared to go nuclear, and then we are all fucked.

Gaza and the West Bank are literally call the "occupied territories", not my phrase. Gaza in particular has been locked down by Israel for years. There's nothing in those statements that support Hamas or condones anything they have done. I have zero issue with Israel's right to defend itself or its desire to eradicate those that committed the atrocities on Oct 7th. I also have no truck with the "indiscriminate" (not my term either) killing of thousands of innocents. I can comfortably have both views. I see no incompatibility in having both either.

I also find the anti jewish sentiments on the rise disgusting. They should have no place in any society.
I guess when Russia threatens to attack Poland, I take them at their word that it's at least a possibility. Not a wise one, but neither was invading Ukraine.

I'm not seeing any critical mass of Palestinians supporting a two-state solution, there is some lip service to it, but zero actions indicating that they could abide by "peace for land" conditions (now or historically). The prominent ideology from Palestinians appears to favor "from the river to the sea".

Gaza is locked down for very good reason, its a terrorist state. Gaza is in lockdown, not just by Israel, but also by Egypt while many other Arab states want nothing to do with the Palestinians due to there radical tendencies. When they weren't being assaulted, Israel allowed Gazan laborers to freely cross into Israel to earn better wages (wages were slashed by Hamas due to Hama's own corruption and incompetence). In fact, a couple of weeks before the Oct 7 attacks Israel made a number of economic concessions to Hamas. In addition, there are nearly as many Palestinians that live freely in Israel as there are Palestinians that live under Sharia Law in Gaza.
 
I guess when Russia threatens to attack Poland, I take them at their word that it's at least a possibility. Not a wise one, but neither was invading Ukraine.

I'm not seeing any critical mass of Palestinians supporting a two-state solution, there is some lip service to it, but zero actions indicating that they could abide by "peace for land" conditions (now or historically). The prominent ideology from Palestinians appears to favor "from the river to the sea".

Gaza is locked down for very good reason, its a terrorist state. Gaza is in lockdown, not just by Israel, but also by Egypt while many other Arab states want nothing to do with the Palestinians due to there radical tendencies. When they weren't being assaulted, Israel allowed Gazan laborers to freely cross into Israel to earn better wages (wages were slashed by Hamas due to Hama's own corruption and incompetence). In fact, a couple of weeks before the Oct 7 attacks Israel made a number of economic concessions to Hamas. In addition, there are nearly as many Palestinians that live freely in Israel as there are Palestinians that live under Sharia Law in Gaza.
Hamas rules Gaza with an iron fist. The majority never voted for them and have never known a life without them. They also have zero ability to change that as Hamas have the guns and control all food, water, medicine, power etc., which bizarrely enough is "granted" to them by Israel who control it all ultimately. Egypt don't want 2.2M Palestinians flooding south to get out of Gaza (then or now), why would they?

Gaza is not a state. It doesn't have an airport, it doesn't have a port. It has zero control over what comes in, that's all Israel.

Hamas are clearly not the answer, any more than the PA are the answer, as they are not that much better, ruling the West Bank with an iron fist, no democratic elections (although no Sharia Law ...).

Per the IDF the ratio of civilian to Hamas militant deaths is about 2:1, so 2 innocents for every 1 militant. Israel also says that there were 30,000 Hamas fighters in Gaza. So to irradicate them at this rate, they will also kill 60,000 innocents.

BTW, there are plenty on the Israeli right who would happily take the "from the river to the sea" phrase and apply it to Israel, expelling all Palestinians from both Gaza and the West Bank. The settlers are their vanguard and they are active in the current Israeli administration up to ministerial level.

Once this is done, a new generation of Palestinians will hate Israel. Hamas may be eradicated, but in a few short years something worse may take their place unless something is done to actually help Palestinians. I don't see how continuing on the current path is in the long term interests of Israel and nothing from the Israeli gvt statements (that I've seen) suggest they have any plan for "after".

I have no idea how this gets solved long term, but killing large numbers of Palestinians every few years clearly isn't the answer. It does involve a shift in leadership on both sides from the extremes but that seems very unlikely at the moment, so more innocents on all sides continue to die.
 
I guess when Russia threatens to attack Poland, I take them at their word that it's at least a possibility. Not a wise one, but neither was invading Ukraine.

I'm not seeing any critical mass of Palestinians supporting a two-state solution, there is some lip service to it, but zero actions indicating that they could abide by "peace for land" conditions (now or historically). The prominent ideology from Palestinians appears to favor "from the river to the sea".

Gaza is locked down for very good reason, its a terrorist state. Gaza is in lockdown, not just by Israel, but also by Egypt while many other Arab states want nothing to do with the Palestinians due to there radical tendencies. When they weren't being assaulted, Israel allowed Gazan laborers to freely cross into Israel to earn better wages (wages were slashed by Hamas due to Hama's own corruption and incompetence). In fact, a couple of weeks before the Oct 7 attacks Israel made a number of economic concessions to Hamas. In addition, there are nearly as many Palestinians that live freely in Israel as there are Palestinians that live under Sharia Law in Gaza.
20,000 have died in Gaza. How many were Hamas Terrorist? War is shit bro. I know you stand with Ukraine as well. I stand with, "stop fucking wars." Both sides of any war have innocent civilians caught in the middle while those at the very top make money.
 
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