Wynalda Perspective on US Soccer

There is an art to it and you get better with practice, and in addition the algorithm will get better all the time. Trust me, college and high school kids are using it right now, and whatever apps are out there to supposedly catch them aren't catching them. For now it is free, but once everyone gets hooked it will come with a cost and the digital divide will grow larger once again.
Students + chatgpt will figure out what tools colleges are using to figure out if the essay was AI generated or not + why.

Then they'll both modify it enough to get past the tools used to identify fakes.

Even now students are likely using AI tools to create an essay then rewriting it + but keeping the overall structure.
 
True, which is where sockmas writing ability also has a point. Even the readers though have limitations. There are informal quotas at the top schools (and no not just by dei) that cap the number of particular majors (prelaw premed music), states (easier from the dakotas than ny/ca), sports and art slots, and schools (Harvard could accept its entire class from Harvard Westlake on the west coast and Philips Andover on the east but they won’t because diversity). The reader also can’t wave a wand and solve my music student problem I talked about or create a marine biology slot if there isn’t one.
There is an art to it and you get better with practice, and in addition the algorithm will get better all the time. Trust me, college and high school kids are using it right now, and whatever apps are out there to supposedly catch them aren't catching them. For now it is free, but once everyone gets hooked it will come with a cost and the digital divide will grow larger once again.
Just a story, and not saying it is common, but my buddy's son had his Ivy League (Princeton I recall) in person interview. Apparently, one of the first questions he was asked by the interviewer was do you know who I am. The kid said no and said something to the effect that he wanted to come into the interviewer without any preconceived notions (obviously that was the wrong move). Apparently, the interviewer was offended and the interviewer ended the interview fairly quickly. He just graduated Dartmouth, and has a sweet job in NYC.
 
I'm not the sharpest crayon in the box, but if I'm reading correctly - you may be misinterpreting her post, and you are in fact both actually agreeing more than disagreeing. Her intent was "If that were true, math majors that are less comfortable....." She was implying that it wasn't true.

But the main point is that the essays aren't a huge differentiator, even at the very top level of applicants/schools. If you look at 50 of them, in reality, you can't separate them into 50 different measurable levels of worthiness. Most are perfectly fine. A handful are memorable. And a handful are pretty bad. In the hypothetical you laid out, with identical candidates in every potential category except a noticeable difference on the essay, you're right - the kids with the better essay should get the spot. It's just not that common an occurrence.
if it were anyone else, I'd probably agree with you but Grace likes to argue one minute aspect of things over and over again as though it represents the whole entire picture. I was pointing out to her why her argument about essays aren't true, even for math majors.

Yes, most colleges look at applicants with a holistic approach and while I agree it doesn't occur very often, it actually does happen for the last few applicants. When admitting 3000 students, the first 2900 are easy. The last 100 will come down to minute differences.
 
if it were anyone else, I'd probably agree with you but Grace likes to argue one minute aspect of things over and over again as though it represents the whole entire picture. I was pointing out to her why her argument about essays aren't true, even for math majors.

Yes, most colleges look at applicants with a holistic approach and while I agree it doesn't occur very often, it actually does happen for the last few applicants. When admitting 3000 students, the first 2900 are easy. The last 100 will come down to minute differences.
The devil is in the minutia. “Close enough” is insufficient in more things than just math. If you had qualified your argument to the last 100 from the get go, I would have agreed with you but pointed out the same applied to the interview, if there was one.
 
Just a story, and not saying it is common, but my buddy's son had his Ivy League (Princeton I recall) in person interview. Apparently, one of the first questions he was asked by the interviewer was do you know who I am. The kid said no and said something to the effect that he wanted to come into the interviewer without any preconceived notions (obviously that was the wrong move). Apparently, the interviewer was offended and the interviewer ended the interview fairly quickly. He just graduated Dartmouth, and has a sweet job in NYC.
One of the first things the private counselors tell their clients is google your interviewer.
 
There is an art to it and you get better with practice, and in addition the algorithm will get better all the time. Trust me, college and high school kids are using it right now, and whatever apps are out there to supposedly catch them aren't catching them. For now it is free, but once everyone gets hooked it will come with a cost and the digital divide will grow larger once again.

Middle schoolers are using it....
 
One of the first things the private counselors tell their clients is google your interviewer.
When that first started to happen, it creeped me out. The first time a candidate asked about how I like working at some-place and if I knew so-and-so, the parent of a friend of theirs, I was sincerely taken aback. Then it normalized. (But I agree that asking "do you know who I am?" is a little much.)
 
With that argument, everyone is the same and there's no answer in how to admit students.
From my vantage point, as an interviewer who sees applications and writes a recommendation but has no insight into the actual decision process, this seems pretty close to the truth. Except for a few obvious duds (candidates that don't seem to even want to go to the school) all the kids I interview are amazing and I would be proud to have them as classmates. Yet almost none of them get in. I've given up trying to guess which ones will because my track record is so abysmal.
 
Yet almost none of them get in.

I wouldn't let them know that during the interview; they'll scramble to find an additional local interviewer that has better luck. :D

I don't do local interviews, but my wife enjoys them and has been doing them for years. It's a relatively low effort but effective way to stay close with the school on the other side of the country. It also helps in understanding both what the typical top student applicants have been focusing on over the years, along with learning what tends to be have a more successful admissions outcome. But she's with you - vast majority of the kids that get to her are beyond impressive, and all but a small fraction still get a skinny letter, but it's probably an email these days as well. I hope they don't use emojis.
 
Best way to get into these elite institutions is to be a family legacy applicant or be connected with an elite donor. Those that write woke essays at least have qualifications to get in.
 
My kid played on a top 10 club team and also grew up playing all over San Diego in random sunday leagues and pick up games all over the place. In all kinds of neighborhoods with all kinds of kids. The second a good kid showed up, from whatever background, they’d be on a club team within days. For free. With a coach or assistant coach or another parent picking them up. Great players don’t get overlooked and money ends up not mattering.
Do some kid who could end up being good get missed because of finances and transport? Sure.
do some kids from rough backgrounds end up not making it because they don’t have structure, support, nutrition, etc? Sure.

but we saw so so so so so so so many kids show up to a Sunday league, dominate, and get snatched up by surf nomads Albion within days. Uniform cleats fees etc all handled.
The biggest issue isn’t getting seen and scooped up. It’s the structure to get that player to the highest level. But that’s not just a family issue, clubs are horrid at personal and soccer development. And that’s true for the kid from a wealthier background too.

I get what wynalda is saying and pay to play has all sorts of problems and issues. I agree. But to think that some star is toiling on a dirt field for years and never discovered or tok poor to play club fees is not accurate. Pay to play and predatory clubs and just trash humans coaching club soccer should be fixed tho. Not sure how.
 
Best way to get into these elite institutions is to be a family legacy applicant or be connected with an elite donor. Those that write woke essays at least have qualifications to get in.
The ideal student-athlete applicant has good academic and test scores (within the established minimums for the school in question), is an elite athlete in their sport as recognized by state, regional, or national organizations, has a legacy hook to the school, and has parents wealthy enough that they want no more than a token scholarship in order to assure a spot on the roster.
 
Just a story, and not saying it is common, but my buddy's son had his Ivy League (Princeton I recall) in person interview. Apparently, one of the first questions he was asked by the interviewer was do you know who I am. The kid said no and said something to the effect that he wanted to come into the interviewer without any preconceived notions (obviously that was the wrong move). Apparently, the interviewer was offended and the interviewer ended the interview fairly quickly. He just graduated Dartmouth, and has a sweet job in NYC.
That might be a scene from Risky Business, actually.:p
 
Pay to play is a problem in the US as it is a problem everywhere else in the world. People pay more here, because they can afford it.

Real problem is the (Lack of) Quality in Coaching.

U10 Coaches planning their week to adapt to the opponent on the weekend
U7 Doing patterns and super closed tasks

When Winning is all, what happens when you lose?

People need to question why and what for they are playing sports. That is the real problem. And it is global, not just a US problem.
 
Pay to play is a problem in the US as it is a problem everywhere else in the world. People pay more here, because they can afford it.

Real problem is the (Lack of) Quality in Coaching.

U10 Coaches planning their week to adapt to the opponent on the weekend
U7 Doing patterns and super closed tasks

When Winning is all, what happens when you lose?

People need to question why and what for they are playing sports. That is the real problem. And it is global, not just a US problem.
I agree with you on coaching, but the pay to play system is unique to the United States and a handful of other countries like China. In Europe, the truly elite, both boys and girls, play academy ball. The system has its own horrors including using kids and then throwing them away when they are off the academic track, but pay to play is not one of them. Everyone else plays tiered rec, and while it can also be described loosely as "pay to play", fees are more akin to AYSO than our pay to play system and most of the coaches are volunteers. The pay to play system developed in the US because of a handful of factors including: a) it's function, like other club sports, is to create college athletes and not professionals...Europe doesn't have a collegiate athletic system in the same way we do...it's more like intramural sports; b) the lack of knowledgeable coaches (hence all the British and Latin American imports); c) AYSO's reluctance to tier, and d) the dearth of fields that were available in the United States for the longest time and which remain a problem (interestingly Latin America does not have that problem, as there are fields everywhere, but Europe does outside of the UK....The European answer to the problem was futsal and small sided games up until the really late ages, in Spain as late as 14).
 
The truly elite yes, but they have a huge base of people paying to play to support that.

Most clubs in europe have recreational programs that support the competition teams.

The smaller sided games (like Futsal but not only) are not an answer to having or not fields, they are an answer to "how can we better develop players".

It is common in Spain, Portugal, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Germany and so on to have multiple ages in the same field working at the same time. Difference is, most fields are Synthetic to be able to deal with the amount of "work" and as well the weather. Usually, even on the best clubs, the grass fields are used for the first team with a few exceptions. It is not the norm. And the clubs own the fields.
 
The truly elite yes, but they have a huge base of people paying to play to support that.

Most clubs in europe have recreational programs that support the competition teams.

The smaller sided games (like Futsal but not only) are not an answer to having or not fields, they are an answer to "how can we better develop players".

It is common in Spain, Portugal, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Germany and so on to have multiple ages in the same field working at the same time. Difference is, most fields are Synthetic to be able to deal with the amount of "work" and as well the weather. Usually, even on the best clubs, the grass fields are used for the first team with a few exceptions. It is not the norm. And the clubs own the fields.

I was actually thinking more of field space for rec, training or just pickup games. My son once spent three summers looking for pickup games in Spain, France and Italy. He couldn't find them because the fields were locked up and you aren't allowed to play in the public parks. As you point out, they are owned by the clubs or cities and usually fenced off. By contrast, in Guatemala and Mexico there are plenty of kids messing around in the open fields, some of them dirt only. I'd argue the smaller sided games are a function of this. Because in Spain, for example, the schools don't even have such dirt fields, instead what they do is they have the equivalent of concrete basketball courts which they use for futsal.
 
Looking at the GA Cup MLS academies tournament, it's pretty clear the US academy boys were able to hang in there with the international invites including Real Madrid. The US boys academies are probably generally on par with the European B level academies such as Sevilla and Valencia. None of the games were blown outs and Real Madrid got knocked out of the u15 tournament in the quarters. The issue isn't at the youth level. It's that transition level out of youth and into adult. There's too few opportunities for talent to play in Europe (partially due to immigration issues), too few are offered the chance to actually play in the MLS, and too many of the academy kids are on the college as opposed to the pro track. I agree part of the issue is that the clubs can't develop and sell players. But another issue is there isn't pro/rel. There aren't any lower level MLS teams for these players to cut their teeth on, and the higher level teams because of the salary caps don't offer tempting enough salaries for the players to aspire to. College is too limited of a season and poor training to develop a pros so once they are off to college, you essentially lose any chance to really develop that talent. If US Soccer is really concerned about developing world class talent, they need to fix the MLS system and provide opportunities for those transitioning out of youth.
 
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