WonderWoman
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For sure a red flag!
Sexual Harrassment at Surf San Diego
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I remember when one lady coach came to da fields to get a peak of the goats and was really mean. Told my dd coach my kid was not obedient, was disrespectful, goofed off and was having too much fun and 100% not groomable, if that's a word. Good luck to your player(s) in these difficult times.
I'm going to say something unpopular. Wish it wasnt true but my experience is that female coaches just arent that good (if "good" is defined only by results) + they tended to get involved in team drama more than a guy ever would.
Consider this, most male coaches I've met dont mind coaching girls but in general prefer boys because of the additional speed and power boys have especially after puberty. I've only seen one female coach a boys team (at Sharks + she was pretty good) women tend to want to coach girls over boys. I get that theres lots of reasons for this but if a coach is completely blind to male or female players they should always gravitate to the boys because of the added speed and power.
Not trying to defend anything Surf has implemented. There has to be female coaches that win. They just need to find them.
Maybe female coaches should be required to coach boys so they get a different perspective on play.
Consider this, most male coaches I've met dont mind coaching girls but in general prefer boys because of the additional speed and power boys have especially after puberty. I've only seen one female coach a boys team (at Sharks + she was pretty good) women tend to want to coach girls over boys. I get that theres lots of reasons for this but if a coach is completely blind to male or female players they should always gravitate to the boys because of the added speed and power.
Not trying to defend anything Surf has implemented. There has to be female coaches that win. They just need to find them.
Maybe female coaches should be required to coach boys so they get a different perspective on play.
Every single woman in the U.S. who can coach soccer has a college degree that is far too valuable to waste spending most of their evenings and weekends coaching kids, which pays terribly and has no future. This is why you don't see many women in waste management, and why you also don't see elite women's coaches at Surf or anywhere. They are both physically demanding jobs that pay terribly and have terrible work hours.
The type of person who tries to make a career out of coaching youth soccer does not have a college degree, barely scraped by in college because they were really only there to play soccer, or came from a foreign country which often makes it hard to find a well paying job commensurate with their non-soccer skills. With very, very few exceptions, the type of person who becomes a professional youth soccer coach just doesn't have a lot of options after they're done playing, or they're just lazy and continue doing the only thing they know. The also tend to be grifters and hustlers who need to work multiple jobs just to get by. These categories of people are almost 100% male. That is how it is and how it will always be.
Let's start with a female director overseeing the girls program would be my recommendation. My dd prefers male coaches, minus the screaming, manipulation and anything that is demeaning. Yelling out instructions with a big crowd has to happen.
Been around Clubs with female DOCs. One was significantly worse than their competition. The other was above average.
Dont think a female DOC will be any different than a male DOC. They're just as good at playing favorites + blackballing those that dont fall in line. They might be even better at it than men because they're used to playing social games vs focusing on pure ability only.
You might be right and if you are, this is sad state where were at for the girls game. Pay to play is the problem, moo!
You think that more educated young women will choose youth soccer coach as a profession if you take away the only revenue stream that is necessary to pay them?
Coach Zak Brahmbhatt is actually “Kelly” she/they are also a coach at Pt. Loma Nazarene. Not sure when the name change came. But still not strong female coach leadership at Surf to help guide these women in this sport. Very unfortunate when on the same training grounds you have Casey Stoney coaching the Wave, maybe Surf should take notice. Haha
From the WaPo article...
"Of the clubs where leaders lamented the departures of female coaches, just one, St. Louis Scott Gallagher, had a maternity leave policy. Slammers, Khoury admitted, didn’t. Neither did Surf, Henderson said. He noted that when a transgender coach needed two months off to transition, the club gave it to him, and Surf would similarly accommodate women who needed parental leave."
Pretty sure that ZB identifies as male these days.
young@heart
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Utah Royals - Arizona has a female director for Girls ECNL, Tiffany Roberts, she's also an assistant coach for USYNT u17s and u19s. For Utah Royals-AZ she's the director as well as coaches two of the girls teams, 09s and 05/04s. We've been fortunate to have her coach two of our DDs. She just brought on another female coach, I believe that makes 3 male and 2 female coaches for the girls program. I'm shocked surf doesn't have a single female coach on there staff considering the size there program.
WonderWoman
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There is a lack of female coaches in general not just quality female coaches.
This is not only unpopular is reeks of sexism. If you gave females the top teams at Surf I bet they would win. See how that works. Give top players to any coach and they have a better chance of success.
I dispute your comparison of the boys and girls game. I don't enjoy the boys game. The girls game is more entertaining. To each their own.
By the way, the 2022 NCAA Division 3 men's national champion was coached by a female. Her players spoke of how calm she is and what she brought to the team. So much for the sterotype of drama, huh? Sounds more like the men: Rory Dames (NWSL), Paul Riley (NWSL), Holley (NWSL) all created drama (among other horrific acts) and all were fired for it.
You are sexist. I hope you do not have a daughter or wife.
kickingandscreaming
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There's a considerable projection in any of the previous posts regarding why there aren't more / more successful female coaches, and using personal experience is anecdotal. However, doing so in my daughter's case would show that the only female head coach she had in club soccer was a two-time national champ and the coach of the D1 national champions in her first year of college play is a woman.
Also, in terms of team culture, the club coach I mentioned above is exceptional. I still remember the first time I saw her coach. Her demeanor on the sideline was calm, her communication was always constructive, and her team played skilled soccer. Over time, I saw her responses to winning and losing, and it was exactly the behavior I wanted my daughter to model. A few years later, my daughter joined a team she coached, and I observed the same positive behavior in training and in communicating with parents. If we could do it over again and only select one coach, she would be the one.
I don't claim to know why we don't have more / more successful female coaches at the club level. It may have to do with the fact that many of the more successful ones get better opportunities. I know that Quakes/Bay Area had two - Erin Ridley, who is now with the boys' side of the Earthquakes, and Natalia Astrain, who is now coaching the USWNT U17s. Also, Margueritte Aozasa was coaching at MVLA. My take is we need more women coaches at the club level coaching girls - and boys if they are so inclined.
Great takes bro and it comes with experience. Coach Heather was someone who taught my dd some amazing things. UCLA got a great coach and I will be rooting them on forever to win each year. Men will be men and when the men begin to share more, then things will even out
I hope you still love me man because I was told 99% hate me on here.....lol!Get off the woke train. The Surf staff is all very qualified to coach the top level of ECNL talent. They draw talented players from all over SoCal and they make them better. It doesn’t matter the sex of the coach…if you have the coaching pedigree, Surf doesn’t care whether you are male or female. If Stony Casey wanted to work there, I’m sure she would fit in just fine. Rob Becerra‘s actions were inexcusable. Several female coaches have come and gone over the years and now have the “top” team in the age group at clubs like Sharks. If those coaches were good enough to have the top team at Surf, that would have happened. Whether the coach is male or female, it makes no difference…players (NWSL, YNT, or D1 college) get outstanding exposure at Surf. If you know anything about club soccer and your daughter grows up in a program, you are gonna have 3-4 coaches over her decade with that program. You have no say whether those coaches are male or female unless you hop clubs for a specific coach. If you want your daughter to play at the next level, Surf is a nationally recognized gold standard. It is true world wide—there need to be more top level female coaches, Surf is not alone in its lack of diversity. Standing by for incoming….bash away.
It's good to have debates LouSag and I agree with what you said in some ways and in some ways I disagree. Butter up folks, let it rip....lol!
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