Tournament fees?

Older DD has never paid to guest play, and she has played in multiple "big" tournaments for other teams. When our teams have asked players to guest play, we have never collected money. All players on the team are responsible for the fees, regardless of attendance.
 
soccermom74 said:
Older DD has never paid to guest play, and she has played in multiple "big" tournaments for other teams. When our teams have asked players to guest play, we have never collected money. All players on the team are responsible for the fees, regardless of attendance.
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100%. One year I had some extra $$$ for once and I treated the new fellas I met to a round of drinks at the Pub after a big win. It was a gesture of thanks. When I back to my real Soccer Family I was sat down by the Doc and integrated for over 30 minutes and told club hoping is not right and the college coaches don;t like it and he put me on warning.
 
soccermom74 said:
Older DD has never paid to guest play, and she has played in multiple "big" tournaments for other teams. When our teams have asked players to guest play, we have never collected money. All players on the team are responsible for the fees, regardless of attendance.
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Can I borrow some money from you? I won't be giving it back.
I have to pay over $200 for Surf Cup for not attendiing???
 
Eagle33 said:
Can I borrow some money from you? I won't be giving it back.
I have to pay over $200 for Surf Cup for not attendiing???
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I've never seen a guest player pay for tournament fees and I've been on both sides with my kids. Generally speaking the team that needs the guest player needs the player more than the player needs to go to the tournament.
 
Eagle33 said:
Can I borrow some money from you? I won't be giving it back.
I have to pay over $200 for Surf Cup for not attendiing???
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Sounds almost as good as "Hey dad, can I have $2,000 to play a few days of soccer in Seattle? And then if we win, another $2,000 to go to Virginia."
 
Eagle33 said:
Can I borrow some money from you? I won't be giving it back.
I have to pay over $200 for Surf Cup for not attendiing???
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Don't pay unless you already signed that you would. These Docs are tricky and the TM is the bill collector. Can't piss them off because they talk to the coaches and will tell them your not good at pay to play and will pass up your dd. I had a TM hound me for weeks trying to collect my missed tournament fees. I sent her a copy of my -$99 in one of my accounts and she left me alone. That's why it's so hard to keep up with the Joneses in Elite soccer. Today, there is no way I could afford this Elite league of the rich only that can pay to play. $25,000 to pay to play travel ball circuit. This is bad for 99% of us, just saying.
 
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timbuck said:
Sounds almost as good as "Hey dad, can I have $2,000 to play a few days of soccer in Seattle? And then if we win, another $2,000 to go to Virginia."
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Add another $3,000 at least to have mom and dad come watch too. $10,000+ to play championship soccer in our country.
 
timbuck said:
Sounds almost as good as "Hey dad, can I have $2,000 to play a few days of soccer in Seattle? And then if we win, another $2,000 to go to Virginia."
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Hey coach, no one will say I'm lying either or full of bull shit about how expensive it is in todays soccer world. It's actually more I bet because if you got $10,000 to throw down for Elite soccer, you got another $10K to go first class and eat out at all the top Steak places. I know it's wrong of me for probing and asking questions about money and it's none of my damn business and for sure none of my business asking how much soccer scholarship a player got, minus the 4.5 and 1400 SAT. I swear youth soccer at the highest level is like a religion or a cult. You have to pay to be a member.
 
crush said:
Hey coach, no one will say I'm lying either or full of bull shit about how expensive it is in todays soccer world. It's actually more I bet because if you got $10,000 to throw down for Elite soccer, you got another $10K to go first class and eat out at all the top Steak places. I know it's wrong of me for probing and asking questions about money and it's none of my damn business and for sure none of my business asking how much soccer scholarship a player got, minus the 4.5 and 1400 SAT. I swear youth soccer at the highest level is like a religion or a cult. You have to pay to be a member.
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Crush if you spent as much time working and making some scratch as you do on these forums im sure you could pay it forward and sponser the next generation of youngers who can't afford the play to pay model!!!!! You could make Blues Geat Again!
 
Nextbigthing said:
Crush if you spent as much time working and making some scratch as you do on these forums im sure you could pay it forward and sponser the next generation of youngers who can't afford the play to pay model!!!!! You could make Blues Geat Again!
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Working? WTF do you think I'm doing here next big thing? When you find out who I'm working for you will love me, trust me :)
 
As a TM, it depends on how the fees are structured. Our club never had extra money to help cover costs for our team. We went in to a tourney with x number of players. If coach knew ahead of time that they wanted to include a guest player, the coach decides of that guest pays or not when they are invited. In my humble opinion, if you are given the chance at the older age to play and showcase your talents for the opportunity to get recruited, you pay for that. But that isn’t my decision to make. If the coach knows that we need offense and allows a good offensive player to play at no charge. We can debate this all day long but we really have no say in the end.
 
How do you go about being a guest player? Do you have to ask your club for the physical player pass or digital copy so you hand it to the TM or are the TMs supposed to coordinate? Looking to trying to see if my kid can guest play for other clubs.
 
Jar!23 said:
How do you go about being a guest player? Do you have to ask your club for the physical player pass or digital copy so you hand it to the TM or are the TMs supposed to coordinate? Looking to trying to see if my kid can guest play for other clubs.
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I'm assuming you're asking about guest playing for another club, and not for another team within the same club. Definitely ask your coach first. Your TM is not supposed to hand you the players card without coach's approval. I've seen coaches respond in one of three ways: 1) No problem. 2) Ok to guest except for club ABC, etc. 3) We do not guest play as a club policy.

Last year the US Club leagues (SoCal, ECNL, ECRL) accept digital copies of the players cards. For tournaments, you need to check with each organizer. Some allow digital cards while some require physical cards.
 
Messi>CR7 said:
I'm assuming you're asking about guest playing for another club, and not for another team within the same club. Definitely ask your coach first. Your TM is not supposed to hand you the players card without coach's approval. I've seen coaches respond in one of three ways: 1) No problem. 2) Ok to guest except for club ABC, etc. 3) We do not guest play as a club policy.

Last year the US Club leagues (SoCal, ECNL, ECRL) accept digital copies of the players cards. For tournaments, you need to check with each organizer. Some allow digital cards while some require physical cards.
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Cal South is pretty clear on this --

1.5.5.2 The Player Pass is the express property of Cal South. Any person who withholds a Player Pass will be subjected to immediate suspension by the appropriate District Commissioner. Such suspension shall remain in force until the Cal South Youth Member Player Pass is surrendered to the District Commissioner or Certified League Registrar. (Added August 2013)

I don't know what the other sanctioning organizations do.
 
Jar!23 said:
How do you go about being a guest player? Do you have to ask your club for the physical player pass or digital copy so you hand it to the TM or are the TMs supposed to coordinate? Looking to trying to see if my kid can guest play for other clubs.
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Normal etiquette is to ask your coach first. Some clubs and coaches have more possessive/less permissive policies than others. It can also depend on if your coach thinks that you're a flight risk and if he/she perceives that your kid is guesting with the other team to try them on for size.

As for physical or digital copy of the player pass, it will depend on the Tournament Director. I'd suggest having the physical copy. A number of TD's are also asking for all players to have their Medical Waivers in addition the player cards.
 
Yes, totally understand the need to check with the coach first. I used to a TM but have not dealt with the guesting outside of the club situation before. When players guested within the club and the two coaches have communicated their ok, I would just add the player to the roster and get the physical player pass from the coach. It was a pain to pick up the pass and then give it back. At one point, the previous club I was with allowed TMs access to the registration system which meant TMs could print out passes themselves but they stopped that practice and then only allowed one central Register person access, basically to control player movement and coaches "poaching" other players.
 
How about not having guest!? Play with your team and develop your players. Ok, if you are unexpectedly short a player and are in a pinch, I get it. Or,I’ll even give you the “bring in a guest in an attempt to recruit the player” as a semi acceptable strategy. But guesting is getting out of hand. Kids flying in from out of state, teams that are made up almost entirely of guest players, coaches bringing in ringers to win games knowing perfectly well the kid has no intention of joining the team, while Johnny, who works his ass off and comes to practice every day watches from the bench. Laughable and desperate.
Oh, and if they are needed, they don’t pay, if they aren’t needed and are using the system to play in games and not pay club fees, charge them double.
 
silverback said:
How about not having guest!? Play with your team and develop your players. Ok, if you are unexpectedly short a player and are in a pinch, I get it. Or,I’ll even give you the “bring in a guest in an attempt to recruit the player” as a semi acceptable strategy. But guesting is getting out of hand. Kids flying in from out of state, teams that are made up almost entirely of guest players, coaches bringing in ringers to win games knowing perfectly well the kid has no intention of joining the team, while Johnny, who works his ass off and comes to practice every day watches from the bench. Laughable and desperate.
Oh, and if they are needed, they don’t pay, if they aren’t needed and are using the system to play in games and not pay club fees, charge them double.
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The flying out thing mainly takes place at the olders levels for the showcases…the guest player wants to get a look or get the prestige of participating at a certain showcases. The receiving coach wants the team which might otherwise not be to be competitive. The ones who get shafted are the home team players that get less play time and less looks. This is the most egregious but probably also the most rare of situations.

The most common though is not a club to club guest but a team bringing down from the same clubs higher team a player to play in the lower levels just to win. Have seen this happen all the time and it just helps the bigger clubs at the expense of the smaller ones that eventually cap out on team level.
 
Grace T. said:
The flying out thing mainly takes place at the olders levels for the showcases…the guest player wants to get a look or get the prestige of participating at a certain showcases. The receiving coach wants the team which might otherwise not be to be competitive. The ones who get shafted are the home team players that get less play time and less looks. This is the most egregious but probably also the most rare of situations.

The most common though is not a club to club guest but a team bringing down from the same clubs higher team a player to play in the lower levels just to win. Have seen this happen all the time and it just helps the bigger clubs at the expense of the smaller ones that eventually cap out on team level.
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100%. "Team" is gone in soccer. It's all about: The League, The Doc, The Club, The Coach, The TM, The Parent and then if anything is left, The Player is finally attended to. This was not the case 10 years ago. Whatever happen to, "Team first?"
 
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