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[watfly]

It’s the tendency to change the topic to Biden after expressing something negative about Trump. For example:



It makes it look like you see some sort of equivalence between being senile and attempting a coup.

That mostly has to do with the fact that Biden happens to be our current president. The best thing that could happen to our country is if both Biden and Trump went away. (maybe niave that there will be someone capable to replace them)

It doesnt make it look there is some sort of equivalence, its you and Husker trying to mischaracterize what we are saying in an attempt to make your arguments look credible or put others in a box. Lazy reasoning and intellectually dishonest to claim anti-Biden = pro-Trump.

 

[kickingandscreaming]

That mostly has to do with the fact that Biden happens to be our current president. The best thing that could happen to our country is if both Biden and Trump went away. (maybe niave that there will be someone capable to replace them)

It doesnt make it look there is some sort of equivalence, its you and Husker trying to mischaracterize what we are saying in an attempt to make your arguments look credible or put others in a box. Lazy reasoning and intellectually dishonest to claim anti-Biden = pro-Trump.

I suppose it shouldn't be a surprise that those with the same myopic approach to COVID policy also have a myopic approach to politics. Trump zero solves all. Any who suggests that we have problems beyond Trump must be a Trump supporter. Give them credit for consistency.

 

[Hüsker Dü]

That mostly has to do with the fact that Biden happens to be our current president. The best thing that could happen to our country is if both Biden and Trump went away. (maybe niave that there will be someone capable to replace them)

It doesnt make it look there is some sort of equivalence, its you and Husker trying to mischaracterize what we are saying in an attempt to make your arguments look credible or put others in a box. Lazy reasoning and intellectually dishonest to claim anti-Biden = pro-Trump.

Not the point or attempted correlation. My point was when you always need to add the “but, look at Joe!” clause in your “I don’t like trump” kinda says you do. The Whatabouts did the same concerning the IRA early 70’s Ireland.

 

[dad4]

That mostly has to do with the fact that Biden happens to be our current president. The best thing that could happen to our country is if both Biden and Trump went away. (maybe niave that there will be someone capable to replace them)

It doesnt make it look there is some sort of equivalence, its you and Husker trying to mischaracterize what we are saying in an attempt to make your arguments look credible or put others in a box. Lazy reasoning and intellectually dishonest to claim anti-Biden = pro-Trump.

The equivalence is inherent in your phrasing. “The best thing that could happen to our country is if both Biden and Trump went away.”

Why use a phrase like “Biden and Trump” unless you want to draw some parallel? Drawing parallels is the primary purpose of conjunctions. If you don’t mean to draw a parallel, then don’t put the two alongside each other.

Then you go on to accuse others of lazy reasoning and intellectual dishonesty.

 

[watfly]

The equivalence is inherent in your phrasing. “The best thing that could happen to our country is if both Biden and Trump went away.”

Why use a phrase like “Biden and Trump” unless you want to draw some parallel? Drawing parallels is the primary purpose of conjunctions. If you don’t mean to draw a parallel, then don’t put the two alongside each other.

Then you go on to accuse others of lazy reasoning and intellectual dishonesty.

Again your twisting other peoples words to suit your argument. The "im rubber and your glue" is a nice retort though.

And the obvious parallel between Biden and Trump is neither deserve to be President albeit for different reasons. Just FYI Joes biggest problem is not senility its his policies, or lack thereof. His senility is mostly just bad optics.

I welcome the day when we get candidates that arent the lesser of two evils.

 

[Hüsker Dü]

Again your twisting other peoples words to suit your argument. The "im rubber and your glue" is a nice retort though.

And the obvious parallel between Biden and Trump is neither deserve to be President albeit for different reasons. Just FYI Joes biggest problem is not senility its his policies, or lack thereof. His senility is mostly just bad optics.

I welcome the day when we get candidates that arent the lesser of two evils.

We will need to abolish the two party system if holding our collective noses while casting our ballots is in our future. The ever intensifying quest for brand loyalty has eroded civil discourse. One side is presented as wishing for a country resembling The Handmaid’s Tale the other a constant state of The Purge.

 

[watfly]

We will need to abolish the two party system if holding our collective noses while casting our ballots is in our future. The ever intensifying quest for brand loyalty has eroded civil discourse. One side is presented as wishing for a country resembling The Handmaid’s Tale the other a constant state of The Purge.

Operative word is "presented". We have far more in common but were defined by the extremes and/or we vilify each other based upon on differences. Of course, that comes with freedom of speech which is also what makes our country great. Maybe more focus on responsibilties than rights.

Happy 4th y'all!

 

[crush]

Again your twisting other peoples words to suit your argument. The "im rubber and your glue" is a nice retort though.

And the obvious parallel between Biden and Trump is neither deserve to be President albeit for different reasons. Just FYI Joes biggest problem is not senility its his policies, or lack thereof. His senility is mostly just bad optics.

I welcome the day when we get candidates that arent the lesser of two evils.

t is never going to leave your head or anyone else's head for that matter. TDS is real and you got it bro. I didn't think you did but you got it 100%. He's in everyone's head and I just laugh now.

 

[crush]

 

[kickingandscreaming]

It’s the tendency to change the topic to Biden after expressing something negative about Trump. For example:



It makes it look like you see some sort of equivalence between being senile and attempting a coup.

Are you using "equivalence" to mean inconvenient truths? Below is the statement you questioned. Based on current polls, over half of America agrees with me.

However, simply "not Trump" didn't get us to a good point given the current adults in the White House. All our problems didn't go away and we have brand new ones.

It certainly has more support than a statement you let slide without comment that happens to be the #1 symptom of TDS.

Those who were once thought to be deranged for blaming t for every national ill are now being seen as prescient.

The equivalence I was making was that Husker repeats talking points, rarely shows the capability of critical thinking, and spouts mindless shit when he goes off script. That mirrors Biden. It was obvious well before he was elected. So, if what you say is true, why did I vote for Biden if I see the two as equivalent? It doesn't add up.

Just curious, how closely have you been following the January 6 hearings?

 

[NorCalDad]

And the obvious parallel between Biden and Trump is neither deserve to be President albeit for different reasons. Just FYI Joes biggest problem is not senility its his policies, or lack thereof. His senility is mostly just bad optics.

I think the issue with that statement is it's like saying a murderer and a thief both deserve to be in prison without any provided context. I think many of us don't think Biden and Trump are remotely comparable and we need to come to terms with this as a country so we can get more aligned and fight the same fight. Until there is this acknowledgment, it's hard to have a sane conversation. I say this just as another lense. Keep in mind @watfly I don't see you as one of the crazy ones on this message board -- I think you're a reasonable human.

Personally I think the GOP should elevate Kinzinger.

 

[watfly]

I think the issue with that statement is it's like saying a murderer and a thief both deserve to be in prison without any provided context. I think many of us don't think Biden and Trump are remotely comparable and we need to come to terms with this as a country so we can get more aligned and fight the same fight. Until there is this acknowledgment, it's hard to have a sane conversation. I say this just as another lense. Keep in mind @watfly I don't see you as one of the crazy ones on this message board -- I think you're a reasonable human.

Personally I think the GOP should elevate Kinzinger.

Yeah a thief gets 6 months and a murderer gets 60 years, but either youre qualified to be president or your not. Its completely irrelevant to me to what degree youre unqualified. If you want to assert that Trump is more unqualified then Biden so be it. I could argue that Trumps policies produced better results than Bidens but that doesnt make him qualified for office. You could argue that Bidens rhetoric is less dangerous than Trumps but that doesnt make Joe more qualified.

We all need to stop settling for the least worst candidate. Newsom vs DiSantis would only be marginally better than Trump v Biden.

 

[Hüsker Dü]

Yeah a thief gets 6 months and a murderer gets 60 years, but either youre qualified to be president or your not. Its completely irrelevant to me to what degree youre unqualified. If you want to assert that Trump is more unqualified then Biden so be it. I could argue that Trumps policies produced better results than Bidens but that doesnt make him qualified for office. You could argue that Bidens rhetoric is less dangerous than Trumps but that doesnt make Joe more qualified.

We all need to stop settling for the least worst candidate. Newsom vs DiSantis would only be marginally better than Trump v Biden.

We could argue one inherited a booming economy and the other a smoldering pile of ash.

 

[kickingandscreaming]

We all need to stop settling for the least worst candidate. Newsom vs DiSantis would only be marginally better than Trump v Biden.

I can appreciate the desire for better candidates but I'll say Newsom and DiSantis are significantly better than Trump v Biden. With Trump and Biden, one is unfit to serve and the other is incapable. Yes, that's a low bar but it is a significant one.

 

[espola]

I think the issue with that statement is it's like saying a murderer and a thief both deserve to be in prison without any provided context. I think many of us don't think Biden and Trump are remotely comparable and we need to come to terms with this as a country so we can get more aligned and fight the same fight. Until there is this acknowledgment, it's hard to have a sane conversation. I say this just as another lense. Keep in mind @watfly I don't see you as one of the crazy ones on this message board -- I think you're a reasonable human.

Personally I think the GOP should elevate Kinzinger.

Or perhaps nominate Liz Cheney as the 2024 Presidential candidate, if for no other reason than to forestall her running as an independent and sucking up Republican votes.

 

[dad4]

Or perhaps nominate Liz Cheney as the 2024 Presidential candidate, if for no other reason than to forestall her running as an independent and sucking up Republican votes.

Short of felony convictions for Trump and multiple associates, I can't imagine the GOP nominating Cheney.

She'd have my vote on character alone, but that is not a common viewpoint.

 

[graciesdad]

All politicians suck. Period.

 

[whatithink]

Operative word is "presented". We have far more in common but were defined by the extremes and/or we vilify each other based upon on differences. Of course, that comes with freedom of speech which is also what makes our country great. Maybe more focus on responsibilties than rights.

Happy 4th y'all!

I actually think its the primary system that is the root cause, where a small number of extremist (from each side) hijack the candidates and then the electorate votes for a party. Add in gerrymandering from both D & Rs and you end up with a clusterF.

 

[watfly]

I can appreciate the desire for better candidates but I'll say Newsom and DiSantis are significantly better than Trump v Biden. With Trump and Biden, one is unfit to serve and the other is incapable. Yes, that's a low bar but it is a significant one.

Governors do have far greater experience and they would be coming from the two of the largest states. So they would at least be qualified.

I actually think its the primary system that is the root cause, where a small number of extremist (from each side) hijack the candidates and then the electorate votes for a party. Add in gerrymandering from both D & Rs and you end up with a clusterF.

Can't disagree with that.

 

[kickingandscreaming]

All politicians suck. Period.

I actually think its the primary system that is the root cause, where a small number of extremist (from each side) hijack the candidates and then the electorate votes for a party. Add in gerrymandering from both D & Rs and you end up with a clusterF.

There's truth in both statements. I'll add to that a biased media where you'll never get a clear picture of an issue using a single source. But it all comes down to us. We allow it. We vote on politicians. We accept it every time we vote. We accept it every time we use our favored news source version and disregard another's version without a thought.

We have become a nation where too many people not only believe in the way they live, (or, more correctly, the way they profess to live) but also believe other people should be forced to live the same way. Never mind that they have never even been to many of the places where they want their wisdom enforced. Humor is found in denigrating large swaths of our population. Pleasure is found when a pound of flesh is extracted from the "other" side. Accountability is something to be screamed for from one's opponents and avoided by one's comrades. Now, more than any time I remember, power is more important than actually solving problems. Is it any wonder we are so divided? Politicians and policies are just symptoms.

Ok, end of my sermon.

 

[kickingandscreaming]

Wow, this doesn't sound good.

After string of Supreme Court setbacks, Democrats wonder whether Biden White House is capable of urgency moment demands

Debra Messing was fed up. The former "Will & Grace" star was among dozens of celebrity Democratic supporters and activists who joined a call with White House aides last Monday to discuss the Supreme Court overturning Roe v. Wade.

www.cnn.com

The bolded part is both humorous and telling.

Debra Messing was fed up. The former "Will & Grace" star was among dozens of celebrity Democratic supporters and activists who joined a call with White House aides last Monday to discuss the Supreme Court overturning Roe v. Wade.
The mood was fatalistic, according to three people on the call, which was also co-organized by the advocacy group Build Back Better Together.
Messing said she'd gotten Joe Biden elected and wanted to know why she was being asked to do anything at all, yelling that there didn't even seem a point to voting. Others wondered why the call was happening.