MicPaPa
GOLD
Her body her choice is back in favor, please try and keep up with the loons.
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Her body her choice is back in favor, please try and keep up with the loons.
MicPaPa
GOLD
I'd say cuz you're a loony lefty.
Hüsker Dü
DA
“your standard”? Please explain.
Breaking News: Record surge in AIDS, Gonorrhea, Hepatitis, and Cancer this year and the Docs have no idea why the surge. Miscarriages are through the roof. Death is 40% higher then last year and the year before that for under 45. Something is not right. My neighbor was telling me about his kid going to JC and is not allowed on campus without proof of being fully jabbed. Crazy rules in the State we live in.
You seem to want “work” to be boolean. It either does work or it doesn’t.
Cloth masks do a great job at deflecting your breath away from other people. Try blowing out a candle while wearing one. You just can’t do it, because your breath isn’t going very far. If there are any virus aerosols in that breath, they aren’t going very far either.
Then try cooking some garlic in a pan while wearing a cloth mask. Smells pretty good, doesnt it? The tasty garlic smell comes right through. So do the aerosols.
Now, does that mean cloth masks “work”, or “don’t work”?
Outside, that deflected warm air rises and diffuses throughout the atmosphere. Problem solved.
Inside, the deflected warm air rises, then diffuses throughout the room. Problem still exists.
Where does that leave your nice little dichotomy? The cloth masks “work“ in one context, but don’t “work” in the other.
EvilGoalie 21
GOLD
Agree. It would have been great if the flexibility of the technology could have been utilized at scale to keep pace with variants. As the infectivity of the virus jumped up to being on par with measles that also made it really tough. Still, if we end up with omicron as the endemic form of this outbreak rather than delta that will be a blessing.
Desert Hound
DA
Again there are studies for decades that show masks don't stop respiratory viruses.
Doesnt matter of the breath goes out sideways of a mask or not. The point is they leak. They neither stop respiratory viruses from going in or out. They are not sealed. Nor are they designed to stop the extremely small particle size that is a virus. Which is also why the packaging on them says not designed to stop viruses.
This has been known now for some time.
We now have a couple more years of real world evidence amongst us. 100s of millions of people were using masks. And we see constantly that infection rates between areas of high compliance and low compliance, infection rates were similar.
You have more and more studies saying (again) they didn't make a difference.
More telling? You don't have studies coming out saying YES masks made a difference during covid. If there was evidence of the effectiveness of masks during covid those studies would be FRONT and CENTER. And yet there we don't see those. Why? Because masks didn't make a difference.
Surgical masks reduce COVID-19 spread, large-scale study shows
Researchers found that surgical masks impede the spread of COVID-19 and that just a few, low-cost interventions increase mask-wearing compliance.
med.stanford.edu
Link? Paragraph?
You got nothing. Still.
Link:
Science | AAAS
www.science.org
Paragraph:
A randomized-trial of community-level mask promotion in rural Bangladesh during the COVID-19 pandemic shows that the intervention increased mask usage and reduced symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infections, demonstrating that promoting community mask-wearing can improve public health.
EvilGoalie 21
GOLD
Yeah, and the thing about the discussion in that paper is that it really focuses on the implications of their data for the collaborative game theory behind mask (surgical) wearing. It was basically an intervention study. Large studies like the Bangladesh one where there is a real effort to control variables and meaningfully assess outcomes are difficult and expensive. Unfortunately, we are unlikely to see too many of them, and their impact will be diluted by the "I can download a spreadsheet and make some graphs" stuff where anyone can play. I mean people should really feel free to do that. That is what the data is for. But if one is going to bring that work forward, there has to be a responsible effort to say "here is what I did".
For us Westerners, masks are unfortunately symbols of hiding, bad intent, weakness, disease and death. It will never be like the Korean kids that go to a Kpop concert, wear masks and don't scream as a sign of respect for the performers. Take the TLDR numbers from the Bangladesh study and put them on the left side. Put some sort of meme like the birds beak masks worn by the dead collectors during the Black Death on the right. Or any of the AI generated meme straight out of IRA headquarters in St. Petersburg. Ask "do masks work on not". I imagine somebody has done something like that. Would be interesting to see how strong the effect is.
I think there was a new and views summary of the Bangladesh paper posted here but not the work itself. could be wrong. in any case here is the link; don't think it is behind a paywall.
Science | AAAS
www.science.org
EvilGoalie 21
GOLD
Link? Paragraph?
You got nothing. Still.
Link:
Science | AAAS
Paragraph:
A randomized-trial of community-level mask promotion in rural Bangladesh during the COVID-19 pandemic shows that the intervention increased mask usage and reduced symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infections, demonstrating that promoting community mask-wearing can improve public health.
That's funny. You just added the link while I posted.
The irony behind you posting this is fantastic!
EvilGoalie 21
GOLD
Ha. Even Crush thinks its funny. Everybody is on the same wavelength, One more cup of coffee and its gonna be a great day.
I feel deep down we can all come together to make life on earth better for all mankind
Hüsker Dü
DA
Explain please or is that just another stimuli attempt to receive nods from the likeminded?
Desert Hound
DA
So you are back to the Bangladesh study that has issues. You can scroll back on these pages to see the various discussions related to that study.Link? Paragraph?
You got nothing. Still.
Link:
Science | AAAS
Paragraph:
A randomized-trial of community-level mask promotion in rural Bangladesh during the COVID-19 pandemic shows that the intervention increased mask usage and reduced symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infections, demonstrating that promoting community mask-wearing can improve public health.
That is it?
You are a believer which is why you continue to grasp at straws.
Hüsker Dü
DA
Grasping? Who’s grasping? So far the masks don’t work is a fabricated idea along the lines of your zero risk summations. Believe all you want but others need more than your word of how you ‘feel’ things should be. Shangri-la.
Still no link. Still no quote.
Random personal attack? Yep. You have that covered.
link:
quote:
Finally, we reiterate that the wearing of masks largely eliminates the risk of respiratory jets, and so makes the well-mixed room approximation considered here all the more relevant.
what-happened
GOLD
ha..classic. conflating two things. Like many half assed and deperate studies done over the last two years, the bangladeshi mask study is right up there with the argentine ivermectin study. Never mind the vaccine(s) debacle around studies, trials, omittance, etc.
Living your life believing everything you are told is a pretty basic existence. Masks kinda work, sorta, if you have the right one,know how to wear one, when to wear one....vaccines kinda work more than masks, especially for certain populations. Smart people are able to put their own mitigation plans into place.
The pharma document dumps are pretty disturbing, you should read them. They are likely to piss off plenty of parents who were led astray, especially parents of girl child. Leaving stuff out isn't cool, especially when you know you'll eventually have to disclose. Aren't you the least bit concerned about the lack of accountability for pharma companies? They can jab away and not be overly concerned about their livelihoods. Very interesting, in a sad sort of way...they continue to be allowed to advertise, sponsor, etc. shameful.