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[met61]

Our biggest problem was coaches, not fields.

More to the point, having one fewer boy and one more girl would not make any impact at all on overall field space. The boys and the girls all got the same size practice field.

...we both know you did not answer the question I asked...in fact, to steal a brilliant statement used in an above post..."Thanks for translating my English to your English?"

...although I would appreciate you answering the question I asked... I do understand how compromising the truth and enabling lies makes simple questions difficult.

 

[dad4]

...we both know you did not answer the question I asked...in fact, to steal a brilliant statement used in an above post..."Thanks for translating my English to your English?"

...although I would appreciate you answering the question I asked... I do understand how compromising the truth and enabling lies makes simple questions difficult.

You asked whether we had to cut kids due to a lack of field space.

The answer is no. We never had to cut a kid from rec due to lack of fields. As I said, our problem was a lack of coaches, not fields.

What does this have to do with trans athletes? If your rec league doesn't have enough field space, you have exactly the same problem no matter how you classify the one or two trans kids.

 

[what-happened]

So now you're admitting the dictionary isn't the sports rulebook? Progress!

I think what you're saying is that college sports is so sacred to you that even a modest biological advantage to a transgender woman doesn't outweigh the effort to overcome systemic discrimination and abuse in life suffered everywhere else? You're saying "equality" should come a la carte and, because swimming in a pool gives transgender women too much of an advantage in life, it outweighs all the disadvantages they have everywhere else? You're saying transgender women have it so great in life that it's unfair to give them even more advantages in a swim race? That's your argument in a nutshell, right? Or do you also believe it is a safety issue because she might use her physical advantages to maim or even kill one of her swim competitors?

as my kids would say - wait, wut? but to your point, she would use her physical advantage (gained through physiologically developing as a HE) to unfairly win - so yes, you admit that I'm right, even if you use hyperbole to weakly make your point. So if maim and kill mean crushing the field in an individual sport, then yes, you are spot on...so right, so clever, yet very clownish. Thanks for making the point about the unfair advantage - which is the argument - not that people are transphobic...but you are clearly girl/women phobic, obvious by your repeated inclusion of daugthers within your insults.

I'll stand by and wait for your limp insults. I do admire your ability to maintain a uniformly incoherent stream of thought.

 

[Emma]

I fully understand your perspective. I have said many times I understand your perspective, but I believe the arguments against trans participation in women's sports is outweighed by the important reasons in support - just like the IOC, just like the NCAA, just like a lot of people. The only ones who are unwilling to see things from the other people's perspective are people like you. Other than watfly, none of the transphobes here will accept that any legitimate reason exists in support of trans participation in women's sports. Watfly had a moment of honest conversation and, go figure, I treated him with dignity and respect. But you and the others refuse to treat trans women with dignity and respect, so you get what you deserve.

If seeing things from other people's perspective is important, then great, explain what are the legitimate reasons why the NCAA and IOC allow trans participation in women's sports. Let's see your ability to understand someone else's perspective. I have no gripe with anyone who believes that those reasons are outweighed by legitimate countervailing reasons, but the problem is you won't even acknowledge the legitimacy of the reasons for allowing trans participation in women's sports. Because you and others won't, you get what you deserve.

Remember, though, God is watching and will punish you if you say anything supportive of a transgender woman. In fact, @dad4 is apparently going to hell for saying they should at least be allowed to play rec sports.

I don't believe transgenders should be excluded from women's sports. At any level, except the highest competitive level, transgenders should be included in women's sports. Transgenders are not excluded from competing at the highest level, they just need to do it with their biological sex. That's a balancing act.

I haven't heard your argument about the important reasons why transgenders need to compete against biological females at the highest level yet. I want to hear it because I can be convinced if I hear a logical reason that outweighs a girls right to compete. I've thrown my reason out there. Biologically, females can NOT compete against top Males physically, that's why we created a separate sports division for females and males. You haven't been throwing out any argument as to why transgenders right to compete at a high level in the wrong biological sex outweighs a women's right to compete with her biological sex.

 

[watfly]

I don't believe transgenders should be excluded from women's sports. At any level, except the highest competitive level, transgenders should be included in women's sports. Transgenders are not excluded from competing at the highest level, they just need to do it with their biological sex. That's a balancing act.

I haven't heard your argument about the important reasons why transgenders need to compete against biological females at the highest level yet. I want to hear it because I can be convinced if I hear a logical reason that outweighs a girls right to compete. I've thrown my reason out there. Biologically, females can NOT compete against top Males physically, that's why we created a separate sports division for females and males. You haven't been throwing out any argument as to why transgenders right to compete at a high level in the wrong biological sex outweighs a women's right to compete with her biological sex.

Based on his comments, his reasons appear to be mostly entitlement and reparational, aka transgenders have been mistreated for years so they're entitled to compete at the highest level of women's sports. It's just a silly race, so what if biological men have an advantage? In his mind its payback for the mistreatment,. Of course, he conveniently uses the silly little race rationalization only to support his position and can't recognize it also contradicts his opinion. Self awareness is not his strong suit.

 

[thirteenknots]

Since when does complying with the rules to participate constitute cheating? Why are you even calling someone who is following the rules a cheater? Could it be because you're transphobic? Again, because people like you can't treat transgender women with dignity and respect, you get no dignity and respect either.

So are you saying all co-ed sports must be illegal because men are men and women are women? Or just the ones you care about because "competitive" sports, as you define them, are "different" because "biology" cares about the difference between NCAA and intramural sports? Are you saying businesses like the IOC and NCAA shouldn't be allowed to set their own rules about who can participate? And since when did all of you "principled" conservatives decide that businesses should be allowed to do whatever they like - unless it is something you don't like? Is this all happening because you and your friends were never actually principled at all?

A. You have your head buried in the sand regarding the TRUTH.
or
B. You just enjoy hurling insults as you look beyond the TRUTH.

It's CHEATING pure and simple.

Face the facts.

Here's what would be fair to ALL.
For Thomas to compete with the men and
rescind all of the awards and winnings achieved
while competing against the women.

THAT WOULD BE FAIR !

 

[thirteenknots]

Studies of running, rowing, speed skating, and swimming races
have shown that human males are on average 11 percent faster
than women.

The TRUTH.

 

[met61]

You asked whether we had to cut kids due to a lack of field space.

The answer is no. We never had to cut a kid from rec due to lack of fields. As I said, our problem was a lack of coaches, not fields.

What does this have to do with trans athletes? If your rec league doesn't have enough field space, you have exactly the same problem no matter how you classify the one or two trans kids.

...again, we both know this is not what I asked...my question was clear and straightforward...and is posted above for you and all to see.

...failing to answer this for a second time, is actually an answer in itself...my mistake was thinking you were above this simple minded approach.

...I now suspect you will feign frustration with my pointing out your obvious dodging of the question...and provide another simpleton response...or ignore this post and not respond at all... either way, it says more about you and confirms my key points regarding the Truth.

 

[met61]

I don't believe transgenders should be excluded from women's sports. At any level, except the highest competitive level, transgenders should be included in women's sports. Transgenders are not excluded from competing at the highest level, they just need to do it with their biological sex. That's a balancing act.

I haven't heard your argument about the important reasons why transgenders need to compete against biological females at the highest level yet. I want to hear it because I can be convinced if I hear a logical reason that outweighs a girls right to compete. I've thrown my reason out there. Biologically, females can NOT compete against top Males physically, that's why we created a separate sports division for females and males. You haven't been throwing out any argument as to why transgenders right to compete at a high level in the wrong biological sex outweighs a women's right to compete with her biological sex.

...who determines what the highest competitive level is? And for girls competitive soccer...where do you recommend the line being drawn: ECNL, ECRL, GA, DPL, SOCAL DISCOVERY, FLIGHT 1, 2, 3..., SDDA, Presidio, Rec?

...why do many sports require a birth certificate? If you're willing to compromise the Truth regarding sex on a birth certificate, are you willing to compromise the birth date on a birth certificate?

...Truth does not require a balancing act.

 

[Keepermom2]

"Meanwhile, Olympic gold medalist Caitlyn Jenner, when asked about the success of trans swimmer Lia Thomas, has spoken out against transgender athletes born biological males participating in women's sports."She was born a biological boy," Jenner pointed out. "She was raised as a biological boy. Her cardiovascular system is bigger, her respiratory system is bigger, her hands are bigger, she can swim faster. That’s a known.""

According to one person's definition I read earlier in this thread...Caitlyn Jenner is Transphobic.

 

[GoldenGate]

as my kids would say - wait, wut? but to your point, she would use her physical advantage (gained through physiologically developing as a HE) to unfairly win - so yes, you admit that I'm right, even if you use hyperbole to weakly make your point. So if maim and kill mean crushing the field in an individual sport, then yes, you are spot on...so right, so clever, yet very clownish. Thanks for making the point about the unfair advantage - which is the argument - not that people are transphobic...but you are clearly girl/women phobic, obvious by your repeated inclusion of daugthers within your insults.

I'll stand by and wait for your limp insults. I do admire your ability to maintain a uniformly incoherent stream of thought.

All caps with the transphobic gender pronoun usage. You must be serious.

 

[GoldenGate]

I don't believe transgenders should be excluded from women's sports. At any level, except the highest competitive level, transgenders should be included in women's sports. Transgenders are not excluded from competing at the highest level, they just need to do it with their biological sex. That's a balancing act.

I haven't heard your argument about the important reasons why transgenders need to compete against biological females at the highest level yet. I want to hear it because I can be convinced if I hear a logical reason that outweighs a girls right to compete. I've thrown my reason out there. Biologically, females can NOT compete against top Males physically, that's why we created a separate sports division for females and males. You haven't been throwing out any argument as to why transgenders right to compete at a high level in the wrong biological sex outweighs a women's right to compete with her biological sex.

I've explained my reasoning many times, which is also available quite readily online from the NCAA and IOC. You keep saying it is a "balancing act" but you want no balancing at all. Rather, you want trans women categorically excluded from NCAA women's sports because you think "equality" is something that comes a la carte. Well, the NCAA, IOC and I believe differently. In fact, your buddy met61 and all your friends who can't accept that it is grammatically proper for someone to choose the gender pronoun of their choice drive that home pretty well.

"We" didn't create anything. The NCAA and IOC both created sports "divisions" that allow participation by transgender athletes provided they meet certain eligibility requirements. There is no "wrong" biological sex division of sports. The NCAA decides who can participate, and that includes trans women provided they meet certain requirements. If your daughter isn't good enough to participate with and against against trans women who meet the participation requirements, you should take them somewhere else. I hear Iran doesn't like trans people either, but your kid might need to wear a hijab.

 

[GoldenGate]

Studies of running, rowing, speed skating, and swimming races
have shown that human males are on average 11 percent faster
than women.

The TRUTH.

Good thing trans women can't participate in NCAA women's sports without hormone suppression. So how close to 0% should we get to make up for all the harassment and discrimination they suffer in life at the hands of people like you?

And btw, why are you so upset that today's English gender pronoun rules allow people to use their preferred gender pronoun, given how much you actually butcher English grammar every day?

 

[Emma]

...who determines what the highest competitive level is? And for girls competitive soccer...where do you recommend the line being drawn: ECNL, ECRL, GA, DPL, SOCAL DISCOVERY, FLIGHT 1, 2, 3..., SDDA, Presidio, Rec?

...why do many sports require a birth certificate? If you're willing to compromise the Truth regarding sex on a birth certificate, are you willing to compromise the birth date on a birth certificate?

...Truth does not require a balancing act.

Pro Sports, National teams, College varsity, youth national team, etc. The details, needs to be worked out on a local level.

I understand what you are saying regarding the birth certificate/sex/age. The birth certificate does not need defending, it's just a piece of paper we use for identification purposes. Due to the high risk of suicide and emotional issues during adolescents, it's better for our society to allow trans kids to play sports with girls if it helps them overcome their emotional issues and suicidal thoughts. My thought is it doesn't hurt anyone, but it can help someone.

 

[GoldenGate]

...15 women qualify for the College Women's Swimming National Finals. By allowing a man to complete, Will Thomas prevented the #16 woman to compete in something she has worked and trained her whole life for...and since she is a senior, this was her last chance.

...your words and lies are clearly expected and pathetic towards women...but it is the lies and degrading of women by the NCAA that I find absolutely disgusting and worthy of public and direct backlash.

OMG, someone was deprived the opportunity to come in last?!? Is this like that CT HS Karen who was also deprived the opportunity to come in last so she filed a lawsuit that she also lost? That is a lot of losing for one race.

 

[crush]

 

[GoldenGate]

...I have also coached rec sports and there was always a limit to the amount of players that could be accommodated on teams and the league as a whole...was this also the case with your coaching experience?

Additionally, I've had my own kid miss a rec sports season because slots filled up before the sign up deadline.

So trans kids should not be allowed to participate in rec sports because you're such a shitty dad that you waited too long to sign your kids up? So I take it you also believe trans kids should not be allowed to buy lipstick or dresses because stores might run out for the "real" girls? Do you also think they shouldn't be able to buy anything from a religious freak whose snowflakey sensibilities are offended by their mere existence?

 

[Emma]

I've explained my reasoning many times, which is also available quite readily online from the NCAA and IOC. You keep saying it is a "balancing act" but you want no balancing at all. Rather, you want trans women categorically excluded from NCAA women's sports because you think "equality" is something that comes a la carte. Well, the NCAA, IOC and I believe differently. In fact, your buddy met61 and all your friends who can't accept that it is grammatically proper for someone to choose the gender pronoun of their choice drive that home pretty well.

"We" didn't create anything. The NCAA and IOC both created sports "divisions" that allow participation by transgender athletes provided they meet certain eligibility requirements. There is no "wrong" biological sex division of sports. The NCAA decides who can participate, and that includes trans women provided they meet certain requirements. If your daughter isn't good enough to participate with and against against trans women who meet the participation requirements, you should take them somewhere else. I hear Iran doesn't like trans people either, but your kid might need to wear a hijab.

The "We" is "Our Society". NCAA and IOC, they are acronyms for a subset of "We" that are empowered to make those decisions by the rest of society. NCAA and IOC did do a balancing act when they made the first rules, then they realized it wasn't the right balanced and changed it, and they've changed it more than once. They'll continue to make changes as more information regarding the transgender athletic performances and impact on women sports is played out.

 

[dad4]

...again, we both know this is not what I asked...my question was clear and straightforward...and is posted above for you and all to see.

...failing to answer this for a second time, is actually an answer in itself...my mistake was thinking you were above this simple minded approach.

...I now suspect you will feign frustration with my pointing out your obvious dodging of the question...and provide another simpleton response...or ignore this post and not respond at all... either way, it says more about you and confirms my key points regarding the Truth.

I did my best to answer what I thought was your question. Instead of trying to make yourself more clear, you choose to become abusive, repeatedly.

GFY.

 

[GoldenGate]

"Meanwhile, Olympic gold medalist Caitlyn Jenner, when asked about the success of trans swimmer Lia Thomas, has spoken out against transgender athletes born biological males participating in women's sports."She was born a biological boy," Jenner pointed out. "She was raised as a biological boy. Her cardiovascular system is bigger, her respiratory system is bigger, her hands are bigger, she can swim faster. That’s a known.""

According to one person's definition I read earlier in this thread...Caitlyn Jenner is Transphobic.

More b.s. Caitlyn Jenner here is just stating an opinion about how he feels the cons outweigh the pros. I don't see her calling Lia Thomas "he". I don't see her making ridiculous arguments that a 19th century dictionary is the sports rule book. I don't see her making another ridiculous argument that it is unsafe for trans women to participate in women's sports. I don't see her claiming anything homophobic. I just disagree with her assessment of the pros and cons. What is transphobic, however, is someone like you trying to use Caitlyn Jenner as a cover for your transphobia. Your daughter isn't even going to play college soccer, right? If so, you don't have anything to worry about unless you're in that crowd that also wants them out of rec sports like intramurals.

 

[crush]

Can we all please stay on topic per the thread? This is 100% about the Jab and all of our futures together as one. Dr. F is back in the news.

Fauci: Americans should be prepared for new COVID-19 restrictions
BA.2 omicron sub-variant currently accounts for more than half of US cases

"I don't want to use the word ‘lockdowns.’ That has a charged element to it ((you think?)). But, I believe that we must keep our eye on the pattern of what we're seeing with infections," he said, noting that the U.S. is currently moving toward normalcy. ((Except for my nephew and 5 other humans I know who have died and 5 who got clots in their blood)).

"Having said that, we need to be prepared for the possibility ((Don't get comfortable folks)) that we would have another variant that would come along," Fauci noted. "And then, if things change and we do get a variant that does give us an uptick in cases and hospitalization, we should be prepared and flexible enough to pivot toward going back – at least temporarily – to a more rigid type of restrictions, such as requiring masks indoor." ((or get fired for saying no to the jab))