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Desert Hound
DA
Cherry picking again.
And you claim to be a math guy.
So many variables not accounted for.
Health of population, demographics, density, type of climate, etc.
It is why there are so many variations between the states and WITHIN the states.
It is why with in the EU which has a smaller area you see differences between countries who had similar POINTLESS mask rules and lockdowns.
Masks don't work. If they did you would see lots of studies showing this to be the fact. CDC studied it and came to the conclusion pre covid they are ineffective. WHO in 2019 said the same thing. Only thing that changed was the politics. You are still stuck talking about the Bangladesh study which isn't really conclusive one way or the other. By now with hundreds of millions of people using or who have used masks in countless countries...if they really made a difference there would be a ton of well regarded studies showing it. The fact that there are not any tells you all you need to know.
Lockdowns don't work because people have to go out and work, etc. Human nature comes into play as well.
It is an amazing thing to watch you cling to zero covid. Pretending that if we had just done this we would have saved X amount of people.
And then your latest with N95s (yes I know you have been wearing them for some time). You claim and others that THIS is the solution.
IT isn't either. They are not designed to be worn for any long period of time. They need to be fitted properly. Nobody is doing that. Those reasons alone tell you that they wont be the solution. That is called what happens in the real world. You are looking at the label and thinking they should stop 95% of everything therefore in the world at large it will reduce transmission by 95%. It won't because of human nature, their actual design, the need to be properly fitted, etc.
Nice word spam.
If you want the heavy statistical analysis, it exists.
But it tells you the things you don't want to hear: masks work, bars spread covid, and vaccines also reduce transmission.
Those things you mock? They save lives.
A good piece by Vinay Prasad on the junk studies the CDC has been putting out that have been geared to justify their policies, and how it resembles propaganda (hmmm....someone around here has used that word before to describe these) rather than actual science. It leads the realclearpolitics articles for today.
www.tabletmag.com
How the CDC Abandoned Science
Mass youth hospitalizations, COVID-induced diabetes, and other myths from the brave new world of science as political propaganda
www.tabletmag.com
I thought the vaccine is supposed to save lives? hmmn...antivax misinformation I guess.
“Almost invariably they get minimal symptoms or no symptoms at all,” but new research shows they average about the same level of virus in their nasal pharynx as they unvaccinated, so that’s why vaccinated people need to wear masks indoors, Fauci said on CBS‘s “Face The Nation.”
You may or may not agree that the methods the truckers are employing are merited, but the Canadian governments response has essentially smashed through another set of norms in the western democratic world, this time due process. If a government can declare any protest it deems excessive or offensive illegal, and then move to seize bank accounts supporting those protests without judicial review, a dark line has been crossed.
Yes. Same peak, fewer symptoms, shorter duration.
Fauci has a record of telling that part of the truth which prompts the behavior he thinks will help. Remember the line on masks from March, 2020.
So, when he wants vaccinated people to wear masks, he reminds us that we can still spread covid. He omits the facts that vaccinated people are less likely to get infected, and spread covid for a shorter time.
He’s not quite lying, but he’s not telling the full truth either.
Desert Hound
DA
They don't save lives.
Other than not going out and avoiding human contact, none of the "plans" or masks made a difference.
You like to pull numbers out of thin air or as pointed out above cherry pick data so you can avoid reality.
You’ve made progress. You used to be all about single cause fallacies. Now you’re making a single effect fallacy. Hope it’s fun to try something new.
More to the point, the fact that the vaccine reduces your odds of death does not mean it cannot also reduce your odds of transmission. It does both.
(hence the oversimplified “dead end for the virus” claim)
Still having a hard time wrapping my head around on why cases matter so much to you if a) everyone is eventually going to get it (so you are just fiddling around with time), and b) the vaccines do a good job at preventing death and severe outcome.
You are still clutching at COVID zero, whether you admit it or not, it seems til the very end.
So you say.
You also told us, with equal confidence, that Arizona was not actually having a case spike. It was all an artifact of increased testing, as I recall.
Desert Hound
DA
And the time is now to stop crap like this.
Transmission matters. Not cases.
I don’t care how many people catch a mild case, discover it through testing, and quarantine before they give it to anyone.
Desert Hound
DA
The CDC has been very clearly political in their handling of covid and their preferred solutions.A good piece by Vinay Prasad on the junk studies the CDC has been putting out that have been geared to justify their policies, and how it resembles propaganda (hmmm....someone around here has used that word before to describe these) rather than actual science. It leads the realclearpolitics articles for today.
How the CDC Abandoned Science
Mass youth hospitalizations, COVID-induced diabetes, and other myths from the brave new world of science as political propaganda
This is absolutely one of the flat out most ridiculous and nonsensical things you've written here (which BTW your track record started while overly cautious yet thoughtful when this stuff started to the increasingly disconnected from reality now).
1. Transmission is even more 1 step removed from severe outcome. In the absence of a case it is a meaningless statistic (and why some of us as a result are hoping for an end to meaningless asymptomatic testing).
2. Going back to normal means that if cases are mild, they shouldn't have to test, much less quarantine. A simple rule of stay home if sick should suffice. If schools and offices want to do temperature checks and send home obviously sick individuals great, but nothing more is really needed.
3. You realize you've just essentially said you don't care if the vaccines do well in reducing severe outcome...what you really care about is that people don't give it to one another. You've essentially just admitted you are still all in to COVID zero.
A more generous heart would just ascribe this to your focus on mathematics than words and therefore being imprecise, particularly when compounded with the internet, but my ever growing skeptical nature forbids me from fully accepting that.
If you want to tell me growth rates don’t matter, you need to take a biological dynamical systems class.
Without that, you are just repeating “I don’t understand it, but it can’t be true.”
GoldenGate
GOLD
Yes, schools aren't requiring kids get vaccinated, so they get masks. They wouldn't be wearing masks if the parents of the little unvaccinated shits would do what they should.
So is your daughter getting vaxxed before heading to Spain, or will it be the shortest trip ever? How's unemployment btw?
Hmmmm....strike up another reason for me being right. Guess I don't need to regret not having a generous heart.
I don't care if the world catches a cold if there's no technology on the horizon that prevents it. I care about serious outcomes. I seriously don't understand the topsy turvey world you are living in.
thirteenknots
SILVER ELITE
Agree you don’t understand it.
Do you find the following sentence plausible:
Covid transmission in a poorly ventilated space between unmasked unvaccinated people is roughly a thousand times more efficient than covid transmission outdoors between masked vaccinated people.
My bet is you read it and think “no way.”
I read it and think “19:1 for being outside. 6:1 for the recipient’s vaccine. That’s over 100:1. Then something for the source’s vaccine and the two masks. Yes, it is reasonable.”