Vaccine

Desert Hound said:
They are not anti gov radicals.

They want pointless restrictions removed.

The press characterizes them as ant vaxx. They are anti mandate. They as a group have a vax rate of 90%. Canada overall is around 78%.

The gov there and here and elsewhere has acted in rather authoritarian ways. They want those restrictions gone.

They are not anti gov radicals.
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If you say so. And I’m sure you also think that the blm activists who closed down the Port of Oakland aren’t anti-government radicals. They just want an end to the pointless persecution of young men in their communities.

Look, if right wing people of strong opinion have a right to shut down public infrastructure, then left wing people of strong opinion also have the right to shut down public infrastructure. That path gives you France and 30 tons of turnips on the expressway.

No thanks. I prefer civility.
 
dad4 said:
As long as you’re supporting businesses, any thoughts on the factory workers who are out of work because anti-government radicals shut down the Ambassador Bridge?
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“Anti-Government”? Is that how those who are Anti Mandate are now being labeled?

Why are they protesting again?
 
dad4 said:
The delays in medical procedures were caused by the need to care for all the covid patients.

That’s an argument for more covid containment measures, not less.
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Incorrect. It was for the anticipation of the need to care for Covid patients which was greatly exaggerated. Particularly at the beginning of the pandemic. Hospitals being overwhelmed was isolated and when occurred only happened briefly.
 
dad4 said:
If you say so. And I’m sure you also think that the blm activists who closed down the Port of Oakland aren’t anti-government radicals. They just want an end to the pointless persecution of young men in their communities.

Look, if right wing people of strong opinion have a right to shut down public infrastructure, then left wing people of strong opinion also have the right to shut down public infrastructure. That path gives you France and 30 tons of turnips on the expressway.

No thanks. I prefer civility.
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Unfortunately, that bridge (ha ha) has been crossed when they didn't do anything about the Port of Oakland, or any of the other shenanigans of the last 2 years. Once those norms have been shattered, it is awfully hard to rebuild them....you can't put the genie back into the bottle.
 
Grace T. said:
Unfortunately, that bridge (ha ha) has been crossed when they didn't do anything about the Port of Oakland, or any of the other shenanigans of the last 2 years. Once those norms have been shattered, it is awfully hard to rebuild them....you can't put the genie back into the bottle.
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That is a very weak excuse. Social norms didn’t end forever in the Watts riots. They came back, because good people decided to rebuild them.

You get to choose for yourself. Do you want to help build civil society, or help tear it down?
 
dad4 said:
I don’t care why they are protesting. Throw them in a cell with the people who took over Capitol Hill and let them talk it out.
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Next to all the Antifa members and BLM protesters? your hypocrisy runs DEEEEEP!

Capitol Hill? Maybe they can find Ray Epps and ask him a few questions s about why he is on video pressing people to storm the Capitol.
 
dad4 said:
If you say so. And I’m sure you also think that the blm activists who closed down the Port of Oakland aren’t anti-government radicals. They just want an end to the pointless persecution of young men in their communities.

Look, if right wing people of strong opinion have a right to shut down public infrastructure, then left wing people of strong opinion also have the right to shut down public infrastructure. That path gives you France and 30 tons of turnips on the expressway.

No thanks. I prefer civility.
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and now you see the slippery slope that was created by the BLM riots

you have hypocrisy on both sides right now
 
I did see a Harvard Grad and CNN contributor suggest they slash the tires and empty out the fuel

that sounds like a brilliant idea
 
dad4 said:
That is a very weak excuse. Social norms didn’t end forever in the Watts riots. They came back, because good people decided to rebuild them.

You get to choose for yourself. Do you want to help build civil society, or help tear it down?
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I guess that depends on who’s vision of Civil Society we are talking about. For example, I’m not as much of a fanboy of Authoritarianism as you are.
 
dad4 said:
That is a very weak excuse. Social norms didn’t end forever in the Watts riots. They came back, because good people decided to rebuild them.

You get to choose for yourself. Do you want to help build civil society, or help tear it down?
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It's not an excuse....it's a reality. After the Watts riots there was a reckoning and discussion both within the community and in society in general. There was no such discussion after what happened over the last 2 years. There was no mea culpa. If anything, there is an even more firm resolve that they were justified.

In the long run, it's a prisoner's dilemma. You can't expect unilateral disarmament from the rest of society and the norms get put back in place only if there is the side that initially violated the norms is willing to reform.

I agree it's not ideal. It's unfortunately the reality we are in now. And as I mentioned before, it's going to get worse. Both sides are intent on tearing down every remaining norm, whether the ERA constitutional amendment, the means of protesting, ruling by decrees, out right lying and propaganda, or destroying the fillibuster. If the ends justify the means, and everyone believes they are right, that's where you get to. As I said, things are going to get a lot worse from here.
 
dad4 said:
If you say so. And I’m sure you also think that the blm activists who closed down the Port of Oakland aren’t anti-government radicals. They just want an end to the pointless persecution of young men in their communities.

Look, if right wing people of strong opinion have a right to shut down public infrastructure, then left wing people of strong opinion also have the right to shut down public infrastructure. That path gives you France and 30 tons of turnips on the expressway.

No thanks. I prefer civility.
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Authoritarianism and civility? I wonder how that is going to work out?
 
Did you share this yesterday, @dad4? It was announced that the 11 SF Bay Area counties will end their indoor mask mandates - except for SC County where they will still require masks indoors for all unvaccinated people ages 2 and up.
 
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