Vaccine

[dad4]

Governing by the "You can't handle the truth" method. It never seems to go out of style. The "trust the experts" crowd loves it as much as they hate thinking critically.

Trusting the experts worked pretty well in this case.

You just need to remember that the expert is the researcher, not the government official.

(Works for hurricane forecasts, too. If the researcher says it will move north, and a politician says it will move west, trust the researcher.)

 

[kickingandscreaming]

Trusting the experts worked pretty well in this case.

Unless you were a child.

 

[crush]

Governing by the "You can't handle the truth" method. It never seems to go out of style. The "trust the experts" crowd loves it as much as they hate thinking critically.

The TRUTH is going to be one big love magnet. If you love the TRUTH, you will find true love brah TGIF!!!

 

[Grace T.]

Trusting the experts worked pretty well in this case.

You just need to remember that the expert is the researcher, not the government official.

(Works for hurricane forecasts, too. If the researcher says it will move north, and a politician says it will move west, trust the researcher.)

Same experts that said everyone stay indoors but then blm protests were fine?

same that said no mask, then mask, then double mask then cloth masks are facial decorations?

same experts that deferred to the teachers unions on school closures?

same experts that greenlit lifting restrictions on crowded adult activities but still have kids masked?

same experts that denied the science of natural immunity?

same experts that were wrong every single time about exponential growth without end and seasonality?

Same experts that have us masking in restaurants to get to a table but you can take them off when you eat?

Same experts that called the lab leak theory misinformation?

same experts that bought into covid zero and vaccines would make transmission impossible?

yeah great track record. Sad reality is the so-called experts in charge of things are reallly bureaucrats. And they didn’t learn to keep their jobs by not doing politics and learning who their masters were.

 

[Hüsker Dü]

Same experts that said everyone stay indoors but then blm protests were fine?

same that said no mask, then mask, then double mask then cloth masks are facial decorations?

same experts that deferred to the teachers unions on school closures?

same experts that greenlit lifting restrictions on crowded adult activities but still have kids masked?

same experts that denied the science of natural immunity?

same experts that were wrong every single time about exponential growth without end and seasonality?

Same experts that have us masking in restaurants to get to a table but you can take them off when you eat?

Same experts that called the lab leak theory misinformation?

same experts that bought into covid zero and vaccines would make transmission impossible?

yeah great track record. Sad reality is the so-called experts in charge of things are reallly bureaucrats. And they didn’t learn to keep their jobs by not doing politics and learning who their masters were.

That’s a LOT of whiny me me me crying!

 

[Hüsker Dü]

Trusting the experts worked pretty well in this case.

You just need to remember that the expert is the researcher, not the government official.

(Works for hurricane forecasts, too. If the researcher says it will move north, and a politician says it will move west, trust the researcher.)

Sharpie’s don’t count.

 

[Grace T.]

That’s a LOT of whiny me me me crying!

Sounds like a lot of butt hurt coming from dad4 and his troll buddies. Ouch it must sting.

 

[crush]

No mask for the kids in Vegas. Yay!!!!

T took it down. Here is youtube version

 

[kickingandscreaming]

Trusting the experts worked pretty well in this case.

You just need to remember that the expert is the researcher, not the government official.

(Works for hurricane forecasts, too. If the researcher says it will move north, and a politician says it will move west, trust the researcher.)

Take off your rose-colored glasses. There are no humans on earth that are immune to corruption due to power in their hands - experts or not. Without transparency, there is no hope of avoiding the abuse of power. BTW, many of those government officials you speak of come from the field. If that's who the "experts" in the field are willing to accept, they have earned their reputation as well.

 

[Grace T.]

The cherry on the ridiculousness of covid zero. Prince Charles has covid. He’s had it once already and is triple vaxxed. He tested positive a day after seeing the queen and 12 hours after attending a fancy party where he hugged a bunch of people. Initial reports are he is barely symptomatic.

 

[dad4]

Take off your rose-colored glasses. There are no humans on earth that are immune to corruption due to power in their hands - experts or not. Without transparency, there is no hope of avoiding the abuse of power. BTW, many of those government officials you speak of come from the field. If that's who the "experts" in the field are willing to accept, they have earned their reputation as well.

Sure there are politics. Plenty of researchers were perfectly willing to make misleading statements about covid origins, possibly to protect their grant funding in the future.

But, what better option is there? Politicians? Pod cast hosts? News anchors? Pretend I understand everything all on my own? None of those options looks at all viable as an information source.

 

[dad4]

Same experts that said everyone stay indoors but then blm protests were fine?

same that said no mask, then mask, then double mask then cloth masks are facial decorations?

same experts that deferred to the teachers unions on school closures?

same experts that greenlit lifting restrictions on crowded adult activities but still have kids masked?

same experts that denied the science of natural immunity?

same experts that were wrong every single time about exponential growth without end and seasonality?

Same experts that have us masking in restaurants to get to a table but you can take them off when you eat?

Same experts that called the lab leak theory misinformation?

same experts that bought into covid zero and vaccines would make transmission impossible?

yeah great track record. Sad reality is the so-called experts in charge of things are reallly bureaucrats. And they didn’t learn to keep their jobs by not doing politics and learning who their masters were.

For half of those, you’re blaming the scientists for a politician’s decision.

I can guarantee that it wasn’t a NEJM article which proposed opening indoor dining by asking patrons to wear masks to and from the table.

 

[soccersc]

Sure there are politics. Plenty of researchers were perfectly willing to make misleading statements about covid origins, possibly to protect their grant funding in the future.

But, what better option is there? Politicians? Pod cast hosts? News anchors? Pretend I understand everything all on my own? None of those options looks at all viable as an information source.

I actually agree with you on this one...you are right! There are no good options, that is why we are in the trouble we are in...there are a lot of people who have lost trust in all those people you have listed. Since there is such conflicting views and research/numbers seem to always screw to the narrative, it becomes more important than ever for the government to allow people to make their own choices, another reason we are in this mess, they took away choice.

 

[what-happened]

Sure there are politics. Plenty of researchers were perfectly willing to make misleading statements about covid origins, possibly to protect their grant funding in the future.

But, what better option is there? Politicians? Pod cast hosts? News anchors? Pretend I understand everything all on my own? None of those options looks at all viable as an information source.

where do you stand on accountability? Giving misleading statements is the least of it.

 

[espola]

Plenty of researchers were perfectly willing to make misleading statements about covid origins, possibly to protect their grant funding in the future.

Who, for example?

 

[Grace T.]

For half of those, you’re blaming the scientists for a politician’s decision.

I can guarantee that it wasn’t a NEJM article which proposed opening indoor dining by asking patrons to wear masks to and from the table.

Nah...I'm blaming them for giving scientific veneer to the policies the politicians want to implement instead of standing up for reason and science (going so far as to actively lie to the population as Fauci admitted with masks and herd immunity thresholds), and in so doing, having destroyed the reputation of public health for a generation.

 

[Grace T.]

Sure there are politics. Plenty of researchers were perfectly willing to make misleading statements about covid origins, possibly to protect their grant funding in the future.

But, what better option is there? Politicians? Pod cast hosts? News anchors? Pretend I understand everything all on my own? None of those options looks at all viable as an information source.

the viable option is to let it all hang out there, to engage in active debate instead of censorship, and to let people act like adults and make up their own decisions and bear their own consequences.

 

[dad4]

Who, for example?

This, for example:

Science | AAAS

www.science.org

Not a shining moment for science. Other moments were better, but not that one.

 

[dad4]

Nah...I'm blaming them for giving scientific veneer to the policies the politicians want to implement instead of standing up for reason and science (going so far as to actively lie to the population as Fauci admitted with masks and herd immunity thresholds), and in so doing, having destroyed the reputation of public health for a generation.

Remember the timeline on indoor dining, and wearing masks while walking to the table.

Team virus spends months demanding their tiramisu. Eventually, the politicians open up restaurants to make you happy. When they do, you point out that it is stupid.

Yes, opening indoor dinging was stupid. And wearing a mask to the table did not make it less stupid. If you wanted a smart plan, you should have supported the vaccine requirements in summer 2021.

 

[watfly]

Which do you prefer, misinformation siding with safety and health concerns or misinformation siding with increased infection, hospitalizations, possible long term effects and death? Oh wait, never mind.

Neither is good, but in terms of what's happened in regards to Covid policy, the former has caused far more damage than the latter. If you're Covid myopic, you prefer the fear mongering under the misguided notion of "better safe than sorry". If you have any concept of cost benefit you'd understand that fear based, blanket covid policies have created far more collateral damage than any damage from covid, particularly to our children.

Call me a whiner for this opinion, but adults that think children should protect them are far bigger cowards.

 

[Grace T.]

Remember the timeline on indoor dining, and wearing masks while walking to the table.

Team virus spends months demanding their tiramisu. Eventually, the politicians open up restaurants to make you happy. When they do, you point out that it is stupid.

Yes, opening indoor dinging was stupid. And wearing a mask to the table did not make it less stupid. If you wanted a smart plan, you should have supported the vaccine requirements in summer 2021.

They should have stood up to the politicians and said allowed it's stupid. That way, instead of this fabrication and security fiction, we can have an honest debate about the merits of indoor dining and restaurant survival v. virus containment. Instead they acted as pawns for the politicians giving them a veneer for a policy which made no sense.