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It's making light of the worst massacre in human history where millions of people lost their loved ones and which unlike COVID was entirely avoidable. What are you some kind of Nazi??? Do you hate Jewish people??? You a racist????? You seriously saying the holocaust was no big deal???????????
I'm sure Mao or Stalin massacred more of their own people, over a longer period of time mind you. Colonist to the Americas managed to eradicate tens of millions of Native Americans, due to ignorance, carelessness and not caring either way. I'm sure there are other examples. There doesn't have to be a worst ... humanity has way too many examples of "worser". Maybe we'll grow up some day, doubt it though.

One thing that has always horrified me about the Holocaust was the cold, calculating efficiency with which the Nazis went about the business of exterminating fellow human beings, men, women & children, purely because they were Jews. I can't fathom it, and hope I never can.
 
My VERY BIG concern is that you are seeing major platforms such as youtube, twitter, etc shut down points of view they do not like.

Not a good trend in the least.

We do not want to live in a world where a gov or a major entity can shut down discussion they don't like.

Rather Orwellian.

Right now it is mainly entities run by leftists doing this. In the future it could be the right.

Under no circumstance should we allow it.
Plenty of shouting down on campuses.

Not what I see on Spotify, at least so far. Give them 2 months. They may just be helping Rogan get the support staff he needs to do his job properly. Koppel and Cronkite had teams of people doing all sorts of research and legwork. Rogan should have the same.
 
My VERY BIG concern is that you are seeing major platforms such as youtube, twitter, etc shut down points of view they do not like.

Not a good trend in the least.

We do not want to live in a world where a gov or a major entity can shut down discussion they don't like.

Rather Orwellian.

Right now it is mainly entities run by leftists doing this. In the future it could be the right.

Under no circumstance should we allow it.
You should, imo, be more concerned with censorship of education by both the right & left, by managing adding/banning content that they don't agree with - NOT whether its factually correct or not. Educate everyone to a common high standard based on facts, critical thinking etc. and you "solve" the problem, theoretically at least.

Private companies will stand or fall based on their policies. The key being that they are private, for profit ventures. Those same private companies funnel large amounts of campaign finances into BOTH parties.

Congress could legislate, but then whoever controls Congress would be the censors, and would have the ability to change it every 2-4 years. The censors would also take their guidance from the campaign funders as usual, so you are back to the private companies.
 
I'm sure Mao or Stalin massacred more of their own people, over a longer period of time mind you. Colonist to the Americas managed to eradicate tens of millions of Native Americans, due to ignorance, carelessness and not caring either way. I'm sure there are other examples. There doesn't have to be a worst ... humanity has way too many examples of "worser". Maybe we'll grow up some day, doubt it though.

One thing that has always horrified me about the Holocaust was the cold, calculating efficiency with which the Nazis went about the business of exterminating fellow human beings, men, women & children, purely because they were Jews. I can't fathom it, and hope I never can.

...and Poles, and Russians, and blacks, and Gypsies, and homosexuals, and communists, etc, etc, etc. The only complaint I have ever heard about Holocaust history is that it belittles (in the minds of those doing the complaining) the other atrocities the Nazis were committing at the same time.
 
Plenty of shouting down on campuses.

Not what I see on Spotify, at least so far. Give them 2 months. They may just be helping Rogan get the support staff he needs to do his job properly. Koppel and Cronkite had teams of people doing all sorts of research and legwork. Rogan should have the same.

Rogan's not a journalist, but he plays one on the internet.
 
They may just be helping Rogan get the support staff he needs to do his job properly. Koppel and Cronkite had teams of people doing all sorts of research and legwork. Rogan should have the same.
What exactly is Joe Rogan's job? Has he ever claimed to be a journalist? Has he ever claimed to be a news reporter?

Seems to me he is a talk show entertainer. While it would be a good idea, he has no obligation to anyone to have a fact checking research team. In fact, I believe his style has appeal because it is free flowing conversation and not scripted with pre-determined and researched questions. I give it no more credibility than my buddies and I sitting around shooting the bull.
 
My VERY BIG concern is that you are seeing major platforms such as youtube, twitter, etc shut down points of view they do not like.

Not a good trend in the least.

We do not want to live in a world where a gov or a major entity can shut down discussion they don't like.

Rather Orwellian.

Right now it is mainly entities run by leftists doing this. In the future it could be the right.

Under no circumstance should we allow it.

Story time (yeah I know espola). You heard about that some school districts are trying to remove "To Kill a Mocking Bird" from the school curric? They already did it to a lot of Twain works on the grounds that it has insensitive language and how would a person of African American descent feel having to be forced to read the "n" work, perhaps even outloud in class. Conservatives are complaining loudly this is censorship particularly since they are established and famous works of literature central to the pantheon of good books.

The little known fact is this is happening from the right too. The left has especially made a curriculum push to include more diverse works from diverse authors. Some of this, though, has some graphic or explicit content (as a lot of modern works do) that people on the right complain about exposing kids and their sensitive ears. For example, "Handmaid's Tale", "Diary of a Part Time Indian", and some others came under attack by conservatives in our local district for the same reason and caused a huge controversy in front of the school board (ultimately leading to the conservatives who had a 3 to 2 advantage on the board losing a seat and swinging the board when the teachers union went all in against one of the candidates).

Interestingly, a lot of the arguments degenerated into trust the experts (in this case the teacher's union and curriculum experts) v. let parents make the decision, much like COVID. The problem is we as a society no longer agree on what is acceptable speech or acceptable reading in polite company, hence we get these clashes (much like Whoopi and Colbert get a pass because they are on the side of right and justice, but Rogan doesn't because he's on the side dangerous misinformation). It even extends to morals and behavior (BLM rallies good and o.k. during lockdown but Trump rallies no, Clinton's conduct is forgivable but Trump is a dangerous cad),
 
...and Poles, and Russians, and blacks, and Gypsies, and homosexuals, and communists, etc, etc, etc. The only complaint I have ever heard about Holocaust history is that it belittles (in the minds of those doing the complaining) the other atrocities the Nazis were committing at the same time.
Yes, I get that and agree that none of them should be forgotten. Estimates (I've read of) are 8-11 million murdered in concentration camps, of which 6M are estimated to be Jews. That brutal, cold efficiency was agnostic WRT the victims.

It also goes to the "worser" comment, i.e. the Russians/Soviets lost 27M by some accounts in WW2.
 
"All that crap, you're putting it in the paper? It's all been denied. Katie Graham's gonna get her tit caught in a big fat wringer if that's published. Good Christ! That's the most sickening thing I ever heard."

Attorney General John Mitchell. 1972.

Socratic question -- what is there past tense of the verb "to wring"?
One can't even give you a compliment without you ruining it.
 
Story time (yeah I know espola). You heard about that some school districts are trying to remove "To Kill a Mocking Bird" from the school curric? They already did it to a lot of Twain works on the grounds that it has insensitive language and how would a person of African American descent feel having to be forced to read the "n" work, perhaps even outloud in class. Conservatives are complaining loudly this is censorship particularly since they are established and famous works of literature central to the pantheon of good books.

The little known fact is this is happening from the right too. The left has especially made a curriculum push to include more diverse works from diverse authors. Some of this, though, has some graphic or explicit content (as a lot of modern works do) that people on the right complain about exposing kids and their sensitive ears. For example, "Handmaid's Tale", "Diary of a Part Time Indian", and some others came under attack by conservatives in our local district for the same reason and caused a huge controversy in front of the school board (ultimately leading to the conservatives who had a 3 to 2 advantage on the board losing a seat and swinging the board when the teachers union went all in against one of the candidates).

Interestingly, a lot of the arguments degenerated into trust the experts (in this case the teacher's union and curriculum experts) v. let parents make the decision, much like COVID. The problem is we as a society no longer agree on what is acceptable speech or acceptable reading in polite company, hence we get these clashes (much like Whoopi and Colbert get a pass because they are on the side of right and justice, but Rogan doesn't because he's on the side dangerous misinformation). It even extends to morals and behavior (BLM rallies good and o.k. during lockdown but Trump rallies no, Clinton's conduct is forgivable but Trump is a dangerous cad),

None of my lefty friends (personal or FB) wants to ban any books. My righty friends (ditto) are divided.
 
One can't even give you a compliment without you ruining it.

Sorry you think that. I can't see the word or picture without my mind ringing (not wringing) the memory bell of JM's statement.

 
Rogan's not a journalist, but he plays one on the internet.
That's just silly. He has plenty of journalist on though. Why is everyone so scared of rogan? Why is he so threatening to people. It seems no one has the cojoners to go on his show and carry water for everyone who is scared. I'm pretty sure he would welcome any talking head to come on his show.
 
That's just silly. He has plenty of journalist on though. Why is everyone so scared of rogan? Why is he so threatening to people. It seems no one has the cojoners to go on his show and carry water for everyone who is scared. I'm pretty sure he would welcome any talking head to come on his show.
You know the reason...Dr. Sanjay Gupta. The narrative does not survive the questioning. CNN had to do damage control after Gupta's appearance. In fairness, the Rogan show is a grind and gives a lot of time to be made foolish of (same critique was levelled on this forum against Jordan Peterson after all). It's a long time to stay focused and not all of it is going to be gems.

Rogan has said he invited Dr. Fauci to appear. Given Rogan's antivax following, you'd think Dr. Fauci would welcome the opportunity to directly appeal to the antivaxxers and bring them into the light. Of course Dr. Fauci is busy fighting the pandemic, but given the chance to change minds, you'd wonder why Dr. Fauci wouldn't go on?
 
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