Vaccine

Grace T. said:
The Norweigans and Swedes have already done that for us (at least for the 12 and under).
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I‘m not saying there is no argument to be made. There is an argument to be made, and Hound isn't making it.

Instead, he just repeats the same fact and calls people stupid if they don't agree with his conclusion.

It's obnoxious and adds nothing to the discussion.
 
dad4 said:
I‘m not saying there is no argument to be made. There is an argument to be made, and Hound isn't making it.

Instead, he just repeats the same fact and calls people stupid if they don't agree with his conclusion.

It's obnoxious and adds nothing to the discussion.
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It is totally relevant.

Some are saying the young should get vaxxed. They have no risk.

Boys/young men have a myocarditis risk as well.

So having them or mandating them is not sound policy.
 
Desert Hound said:
It is totally relevant.

Some are saying the young should get vaxxed. They have no risk.

Boys/young men have a myocarditis risk as well.

So having them or mandating them is not sound policy.
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Let me know when your risk analysis includes hospitalizations, community spread, and non-fatal long term effects.

As it stands, you are ignoring the claimed benefits of k-12 anti-covid policies, at the same time you accuse others of being bad at cost/benefit analysis.
 
soccersc said:
How long will those that believe in the "Science" finally give in and say they were wrong? Pride is getting in the way of doing the right thing for so many of the decision makers. Sad
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... it'll be awhile, if ever, they haven't even gotten to the race card yet
 
dad4 said:
Let me know when your risk analysis includes hospitalizations, community spread, and non-fatal long term effects.
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Well we know the hospitalizations have not been an issue AT ALL. Well documented.

We also know that they do not spread much compared to adults. This has been known for a long time and documented. We have data from our schools, schools in Europe, etc.

In terms of long term affects we don't know what they are for the vaxx either. What we do know is know that as a group the virus has to date not impacted them at all.

Your idea is well we dont know if there are long term affects of the vaxx for young people BUT we should give it to them because we dont know if the FEW who actually get sick will have long term covid affects. That isn't a rational / logical position.
 
Desert Hound said:
Well we know the hospitalizations have not been an issue AT ALL. Well documented.

We also know that they do not spread much compared to adults. This has been known for a long time and documented. We have data from our schools, schools in Europe, etc.

In terms of long term affects we don't know what they are for the vaxx either. What we do know is know that as a group the virus has to date not impacted them at all.

Your idea is well we dont know if there are long term affects of the vaxx for young people BUT we should give it to them because we dont know if the FEW who actually get sick will have long term covid affects. That isn't a rational / logical position.
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There's the math too. If everyone is pretty much guaranteed to get it that means everyone including kids have to undertake (in their case a small) risk of illness, hospitalization, long covid. But by vaccinating you are adding another risk on top of the one folks are guaranteed to get. Depending on how efficient the vaccines really are in stopping illness, it could be as much as a double risk we are putting the kids through.
 
soccersc said:
How long will those that believe in the "Science" finally give in and say they were wrong? Pride is getting in the way of doing the right thing for so many of the decision makers. Sad
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It's not pride when their purposely lying to us on purpose. Dad and the others are just trying to pro long their impending Karma that is coming for those who lie and cheat on purpose. Look at all [D] retiring? Look at all these, triple jabbed and double booster boys waving the white flag of surrender and saying, "I tested positive for Covid." That's their way of eating crow and bowing out peacefully. Some will go down to the very end and then beg for forgiveness.
 
Thank God for the Mother Truckers. I must say I am disappointed with Mr. Rich, Mr. Snob, Mr. Fence Sitter who just let others get fired and force kids to wear a mask..

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Desert Hound said:
Well we know the hospitalizations have not been an issue AT ALL. Well documented.

We also know that they do not spread much compared to adults. This has been known for a long time and documented. We have data from our schools, schools in Europe, etc.

In terms of long term affects we don't know what they are for the vaxx either. What we do know is know that as a group the virus has to date not impacted them at all.

Your idea is well we dont know if there are long term affects of the vaxx for young people BUT we should give it to them because we dont know if the FEW who actually get sick will have long term covid affects. That isn't a rational / logical position.
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What right do you have to tell me what my argument is?
Desert Hound said:
Well we know the hospitalizations have not been an issue AT ALL. Well documented.

We also know that they do not spread much compared to adults. This has been known for a long time and documented. We have data from our schools, schools in Europe, etc.

In terms of long term affects we don't know what they are for the vaxx either. What we do know is know that as a group the virus has to date not impacted them at all.

Your idea is well we dont know if there are long term affects of the vaxx for young people BUT we should give it to them because we dont know if the FEW who actually get sick will have long term covid affects. That isn't a rational / logical position.
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I do not need your “help” telling me what my idea is.

You have an Israeli study that puts myocarditis risk at one per 12,361.

The risk of death, by your numbers, is one per 93,500. (it’s actually higher, since not all 70 million kids have gotten covid).

This is not, to my eye, the slam dunk you claim it is. You are essentially comparing 93 short hospital stays against 12 deaths. And you are concluding that the deaths are obviously the smaller issue.

To me, it’s not obvious at all, in either direction.
 
My kid got covid omicron, and I am fine.

I only got my first shot last July. Then developed such huge discomfort on my arm. It has gotten better but still feel it a bit.

Not sure if I should proceed with my 2nd dose. I don't want to reexperience that issue with my arm. Besides, by the time I am ready for it, this whole thing may be over.

Any advice?

I am leaning to just skipping this thing now that the highest risk member of my household who is out a lot have had covid and it did't impact me.

btw, not saying there is anything wrong with the vaccine. the nurse who gave that shot to me may have used a needle that is too long. may have hit my nerve etc. etc. and that is what is causing the soreness many many many months later. and yes, i have seen doctors for it and no one figured out why yet. and they prefer to treat it separately as a symtom rather than to tie it to the vaccine.
 
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