Vaccine

dad4 said:
We see positive tests at my kids schools. Maybe 5% of student population so far? They stay home and come back after a week or so. I can’t say how many were fully asymptomatic, and how many were minor. The only severe cases I’ve heard of are unvaccinated folks.

If it’s someone you work closely with, you run an antigen test to know whether you should stay home, too. People are also getting better about not ignoring their colds. It’s become polite to stay home for minor sniffles.

Seems to be working. Cases yesterday were about half of omicron peak.
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More at Home Tests = less reported cases.
 
what-happened said:
Let's ramp up more conspiracy and direct it towards our newest protector of human society: Big Pharma. Way too many doses left over, boosters driven by scary data = better profit margins. Let's not talk about doses purchased for the U12 crowd that aren't going the way they thought they were going to go. Those doses have to go somewhere and somwhere quick. Emerging data doesn't support mass boosting.
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Soon to come for the 5 and under! Clown World!
 
dad4 said:
His understanding of percentages is just fine.

SCC has had 0.1 percent of its population die from this disease. 0.1% is a lot lower than 0.4%. All the masks, vaccines, and outdoor dinners have done some good. It saved the lives of around 6000 people in our county.
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pre vax you maybe have an argument. Post vaxx you don’t. If you really think that going out to eat only twice and two years is normal then you are part of the problem not the solution. And in your selfish quest to avoid catching a cold you have inflicted untold damage on children, college students, the handicapped, and small businesses in the name of your own safety.
 
watfly said:
You can only deny reality for so long. At some point you have to move on. It should have happened in Fall 2020.

You know what vaccinations, data and R values have in common? None of them stop the spread of the virus.
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All true and the teenagers lost two years of their freedom all because of adults who lied and cheated and then caused fear to fog people's brains. I have come to terms that we live in an imperfect world and I am actually living the dreams of others before me. I was born into peoples dreams and with those dreams, the nightmares that come with dreaming. Were all dreamers and ready to dream bigly!!!!
 
what-happened said:
Let's ramp up more conspiracy and direct it towards our newest protector of human society: Big Pharma. Way too many doses left over, boosters driven by scary data = better profit margins. Let's not talk about doses purchased for the U12 crowd that aren't going the way they thought they were going to go. Those doses have to go somewhere and somwhere quick. Emerging data doesn't support mass boosting.
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On the freeways today in Los Angeles the signs all read “stay safe. Get boosted and wear an n95”

a more futile message I have yet to see. Stay safe…you are unless you are elderly or immune compromised or over 30 and at this late date still immunonaive. Get boosted….unless you are over 65 it probably does nothing and best case kicks the can down the road for when you’ll get sick by a few months. Wear an 95….top prevent a bad cold? No thanks. Seriously what’s wrong with these authorities still clinging to covid 0 in the face of all this. What kind of asinine stupid message is this to put on the freeways.
 
Grace T. said:
On the freeways today in Los Angeles the signs all read “stay safe. Get boosted and wear an n95”

a more futile message I have yet to see. Stay safe…you are unless you are elderly or immune compromised or over 30 and at this late date still immunonaive. Get boosted….unless you are over 65 it probably does nothing and best case kicks the can down the road for when you’ll get sick by a few months. Wear an 95….top prevent a bad cold? No thanks. Seriously what’s wrong with these authorities still clinging to covid 0 in the face of all this. What kind of asinine stupid message is this to put on the freeways.
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Radio SoCal says the same thing too.
 
dad4 said:
You missed the point.

People were arguing that the low infection rate among vaccinated people in SCC can be explained by test avoidance among the vaccinated. But there is mandatory testing here, so we know that vaccinated people are getting tested.
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You live in some sort of odd reality. You know that many people, that you can say without a doubt, there was no test avoidance? You think workers in certain low income areas had mandatory testing weekly? Almost all the jobs I know, and at were I work with over 5000 employees, if you were vaccinated you didn't have to test. So I am not sure where you get mandatory testing. Either you have a very small circle of friends or you don't get out much.
 
soccersc said:
You live in some sort of odd reality. You know that many people, that you can say without a doubt, there was no test avoidance? You think workers in certain low income areas had mandatory testing weekly? Almost all the jobs I know, and at were I work with over 5000 employees, if you were vaccinated you didn't have to test. So I am not sure where you get mandatory testing. Either you have a very small circle of friends or you don't get out much.
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Not saying no test avoidance. Just saying that test avoidance cannot possibly explain the fact that unvaccinated people are 4X as likely to test positive in SCC. You’d need 75% of vaccinated people to skip the test. Hard for your family to skip the test when your kid can’t go to school without one.

CDC tracks things like “test positivity rate by vaccination status”. If you’re actually curious, you can read how the real numbers work.

covid.cdc.gov

COVID Data Tracker

CDC’s home for COVID-19 data. Visualizations, graphs, and data in one easy-to-use website.
covid.cdc.gov

If you’re just looking for an excuse to claim vaccines don’t work, I‘m sure Joe Rogan has a guest who will tell you what you want to hear.
 
Grace T. said:
Unless one of your fully vaxxed family is extremely elderly or is immunocompromised you clearly don’t understand percentages. Otherwise you would understand that to begin with this illness poised only a .4% risk of death to the population and if you are under 65 that risk was much lower. Then you’d understand that if you are under 65 the vaccines lowered your risk of death and serious illness to that of the flu because vaccines “work”. Then with the omicron you’d understand that the risk of death and serious illness for the vaccinated was lower than the flu, and given the variants it’s inevitable that all of us eventually get it since there’s no way we contain the variants by forced vaccinating the world at once before a new one emerges and containing all the various zoonotic reserves. But yet somehow you’ve only in the last two years, even after vaccines were available, only eaten out twice (and then only outdoors) in the last two years. You don’t understand percentages. You in fact are one of the reasons the emergency continues because (unless you are elderly or immunocompromised or have someone to that effect in your immediate household) you are being driven by fear for two entire years of your life.
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Hahahah, yeah @Grace T., I'm part of the problem. Yet, I live in a county where everything is open, our teachers aren't protesting, our grocery stores are fully stocked, high school sports are still on, our hospitals aren't impacted, and my kids can play indoor sports. This is apparently, in stark contrast with what you're seeing based on many of your recent posts. Keep trying.

The point I was making about not going to restaurants was that vaccinated people didn't get the jab(s) and just galavant around town as implied by the poster I was responding to. In our highly aware neck of the woods people mostly did the right thing. Which is a BIG reason why the Bay Area hasn't been as impacted as other areas.

During the pre-vaccine era of covid when everyone was trying to figure things out we locked down. Suffice it to say, we really didn't need a mandate to do that. We still supported our local restaurants when they opened by getting take-out (still tipping 20-30%). We actually found take-out brought us closer as a family. Post vaccine we did go to restaurants a couple of times only to find the experience wasn't as intimate as what we had been doing. Then delta hit and we decided to take it easy again. Ultimately we prioritized the things that were important to our family. We focused on outdoor activities and spending time with close friends and family. This whole experience has brought our family closer and honestly we're pretty dang happy.

But continue on @Grace T. with your doom and gloom and arguing whatever it is that you're arguing.
 
dad4 said:
Not saying no test avoidance. Just saying that test avoidance cannot possibly explain the fact that unvaccinated people are 4X as likely to test positive in SCC. You’d need 75% of vaccinated people to skip the test. Hard for your family to skip the test when your kid can’t go to school without one.

CDC tracks things like “test positivity rate by vaccination status”. If you’re actually curious, you can read how the real numbers work.

covid.cdc.gov

COVID Data Tracker

CDC’s home for COVID-19 data. Visualizations, graphs, and data in one easy-to-use website.
covid.cdc.gov

If you’re just looking for an excuse to claim vaccines don’t work, I‘m sure Joe Rogan has a guest who will tell you what you want to hear.
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ok, if I’m reading this right they are only tracking this when the test is done in a hospital setting?

I would think the vast majority of testing is being done outside hospitalization.

I have never been asked about vaccination status at a testing site , and I just got back from having to test my family of 4
 
Grace T. said:
pre vax you maybe have an argument. Post vaxx you don’t. If you really think that going out to eat only twice and two years is normal then you are part of the problem not the solution. And in your selfish quest to avoid catching a cold you have inflicted untold damage on children, college students, the handicapped, and small businesses in the name of your own safety.
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Actually, the difference between team virus and team panic looked more moderate pre-vax. The “masks are stupid” counties were only dying at 2-3 times the rate of the rest of us.

Post vax, it’s night and day. Blue cities with 80% vax rates had pretty low deaths from delta. Red counties with 40% vax rates got hammered. The death ratio of unvax/vax went above 10-1.
 
dad4 said:
Not saying no test avoidance. Just saying that test avoidance cannot possibly explain the fact that unvaccinated people are 4X as likely to test positive in SCC. You’d need 75% of vaccinated people to skip the test. Hard for your family to skip the test when your kid can’t go to school without one.

CDC tracks things like “test positivity rate by vaccination status”. If you’re actually curious, you can read how the real numbers work.

covid.cdc.gov

COVID Data Tracker

CDC’s home for COVID-19 data. Visualizations, graphs, and data in one easy-to-use website.
covid.cdc.gov

If you’re just looking for an excuse to claim vaccines don’t work, I‘m sure Joe Rogan has a guest who will tell you what you want to hear.
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You mean like Dr Gupta?
 
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