Vaccine

Ellejustus said:
That was satire dummy. We were all born into slavery. You, me, Kicker 2.0, Espola and the rest of the best. It was only one Doc that just lied through his teeth and spoke lie all day and night and all the time about this and that and had so much oil to rub on the rich dad's backs that rich dad got what he paid for. Sicko Golden Gate. Life has brought you to the sewer. Welcome aboard brah!!! No life is better then anyone else's life. Dr. Fraud is the biggest liar ever and don;t forget that.
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By "[n]o life is better then [sic] anyone else's life", I take it you mean that you should get everything for free because you're too lazy to get a job and support your family, and you think it's unfair that people who work hard for a living can afford things that your lazy arse cannot.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
Well, it is a 0.6 percent change in attendance, right? I suggest that to avoid confusion when presenting to the general public, it is best to use that instead of a percent of a percent since the size of basis is unambiguous - all students. The smaller the basis the more prone it is to making noise appear significant. In the extreme, consider two classes of 100 students where 1 student is absent from one class and 2 from the other. The difference in attendance is 1% while the difference in absences is 100%.
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Yep. A 0.6 percent change to attendance, and a 16.7 percent change to absences.

Now imagine 25 kids who are utterly confused, and three who can’t wait for the chapter to be over because they got it right the first time. That’s 6th grade math.
 
dad4 said:
Now imagine 25 kids who are utterly confused, and three who can’t wait for the chapter to be over because they got it right the first time. That’s 6th grade math.
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Imagine someone who for the past 2 yrs was sure his ideas would work.

- close bars/restaurants
- close a variety of other biz
- close schools
- close outdoor sports
- limit travel
- was for silly stuff like testing teams before tournaments at a cost of at the time of more than 1k or so at the time
- wanted people not to visit other people
- as he was looking at his models never took into account human nature and the real world
- was sure the realists who said we are going to have to live with this were wrong.
- etc. etc.

And 2 yrs into this....who has been proven right as to what would happen? Team covid or team reality?

As we are seeing day by day reality is setting in and we are moving every closer to where team reality said we would have to end up.

Models do not work when one discounts real world data and does not take into account how people will act.

This is why we do not let math types set policy.

You are like Baghdad Bob at this point.
 
Desert Hound said:
Those masks were simply not designed do to that kind of work.
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We also always come back to definitional problem. It depends what you mean by "work". In this case, "work" was to provide essential workers some level of comfort while forcing them into situations that might be dangerous given the long term exposures at jobs, so that the upper middle class while they did their jobs in the pajamas could have their take out, marijuana, liquor, amazon goods, new houses, pool and amenities installation, and plumbing done. That "worked" pretty well until the teachers balked (since they considered themselves part of the pajama class and not akin to supermarket workers, amazon delivery people, AC/heating guys, or garbage collectors). It also created the problem that by telling people this stuff, once it was clear the vaccines didn't "work" (meaning in this case preventing the transmission of a disease you scared a segment of the population into believing had a fifty percent chance of putting you into the hospital) you were left without offramps for how to end all this.
 
Desert Hound said:
Imagine someone who for the past 2 yrs was sure his ideas would work.

- close bars/restaurants
- close a variety of other biz
- close schools
- close outdoor sports
- limit travel
- was for silly stuff like testing teams before tournaments at a cost of at the time of more than 1k or so at the time
- wanted people not to visit other people
- as he was looking at his models never took into account human nature and the real world
- was sure the realists who said we are going to have to live with this were wrong.
- etc. etc.

And 2 yrs into this....who has been proven right as to what would happen? Team covid or team reality?

As we are seeing day by day reality is setting in and we are moving every closer to where team reality said we would have to end up.

Models do not work when one discounts real world data and does not take into account how people will act.

This is why we do not let math types set policy.

You are like Baghdad Bob at this point.
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Or understand we are dealing with a respiratory virus and the reality of what that actually entails in terms of trying to contain it.
 
dad4 said:
Yep. A 0.6 percent change to attendance, and a 16.7 percent change to absences.

Now imagine 25 kids who are utterly confused, and three who can’t wait for the chapter to be over because they got it right the first time. That’s 6th grade math.
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Clearly not teaching the honors class.
 
o.k. I'm really scratching my head here. The newest push out of the Biden admin is to eliminate the fillibuster (or at least exempt it for this one case) prior to moving through the voting rights act (which already Manchin and Sinema have said they won't do, and several others are on the fence about). Meanwhile, the CDC director is under fire, Fauci is doing his usual combat against the Rs, the Chicago teachers union and several other areas are pushing no school (or no sports), the store shelves in blue cities are running anywhere from Soviet to somewhat bare, inflation is running high, and everyone is getting sick with COVID (despite some people having "done everything right" and triple vaxxed). I really don't get it. Biden campaigned as a moderate who would restore sanity after Trump, but this is some hard core lefty to stuff, and not just hard core lefty stuff (which I'm not opining as to individual policies whether they make sense or don't) but stuff which people don't even really care about now (since a large group of people including some Ds and a lot of independents are really really really really very upset about the wheels coming off on COVID policy which now seems to be everyone is going to get it but let's push it off (for some undisclosed reason) as much as possible). This just isn't good politics so I'm wondering what the intent is....even if it passes the midterms are off the table so the only thing I can conclude is that it's just a long term power grab for 2024 and beyond and they've concluded their chances are so bad that they figure they need to do this (and take the political hit for appearing to be off message with people's real concerns) now or lose their opportunity forever (considering it's a hail mary anyway to begin with!!!). That power grab would have to be so great that it would relegate the Republican party into the wilderness for a generation (since as soon as you get an R president and congress they'll just nuke the fillibuster and undo it all). Mark it in your calendar people: today is the day the wheels came off the Biden admin.
 
Grace T. said:
It moves the overton window. I'm happy with just moving at this point considering the place of insanity we are in. Given the declining efficacy even in boosters, we are on clocks there too so the clocks are on a bigger battle field
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It follows zero science. This insanity is making organizations more dumb than they were before. US Soccer demanding 13-14 yr old healthy girls be vaccinated for a YNT camp, the NCAA doing it's thing with vaccine mandates. The level of ineptitue in the face of clinical data is astonishing. Check to see how many healthy U18s have died in the UK. Also check out how many U17s have died of pneumonia VS covid over the last year. And before panties get in a wad, stratify the data to sift out comorbids. The resulting data is pretty clear and provides parents the information needed to make a decisions on vaccinating a child under your care.

Vaccine mandate implemenation struggles once you gain access to information. I suppose the issue is that many people are more dumb than they should be ...especially with "100s of thousands of kids in the hospital, many on ventilators" headlines floating out of the mouth of educated people. If that were true, the calculus would change...but it's not, not even close and has never been.
 
Grace T. said:
o.k. I'm really scratching my head here. The newest push out of the Biden admin is to eliminate the fillibuster (or at least exempt it for this one case) prior to moving through the voting rights act (which already Manchin and Sinema have said they won't do, and several others are on the fence about). Meanwhile, the CDC director is under fire, Fauci is doing his usual combat against the Rs, the Chicago teachers union and several other areas are pushing no school (or no sports), the store shelves in blue cities are running anywhere from Soviet to somewhat bare, inflation is running high, and everyone is getting sick with COVID (despite some people having "done everything right" and triple vaxxed). I really don't get it. Biden campaigned as a moderate who would restore sanity after Trump, but this is some hard core lefty to stuff, and not just hard core lefty stuff (which I'm not opining as to individual policies whether they make sense or don't) but stuff which people don't even really care about now (since a large group of people including some Ds and a lot of independents are really really really really very upset about the wheels coming off on COVID policy which now seems to be everyone is going to get it but let's push it off (for some undisclosed reason) as much as possible). This just isn't good politics so I'm wondering what the intent is....even if it passes the midterms are off the table so the only thing I can conclude is that it's just a long term power grab for 2024 and beyond and they've concluded their chances are so bad that they figure they need to do this (and take the political hit for appearing to be off message with people's real concerns) now or lose their opportunity forever (considering it's a hail mary anyway to begin with!!!). That power grab would have to be so great that it would relegate the Republican party into the wilderness for a generation (since as soon as you get an R president and congress they'll just nuke the fillibuster and undo it all). Mark it in your calendar people: today is the day the wheels came off the Biden admin.
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Coocoo.
 
what-happened said:
It follows zero science. This insanity is making organizations more dumb than they were before. US Soccer demanding 13-14 yr old healthy girls be vaccinated for a YNT camp, the NCAA doing it's thing with vaccine mandates. The level of ineptitue in the face of clinical data is astonishing. Check to see how many healthy U18s have died in the UK. Also check out how many U17s have died of pneumonia VS covid over the last year. And before panties get in a wad, stratify the data to sift out comorbids. The resulting data is pretty clear and provides parents the information needed to make a decisions on vaccinating a child under your care.

Vaccine mandate implemenation struggles once you gain access to information. I suppose the issue is that many people are more dumb than they should be ...especially with "100s of thousands of kids in the hospital, many on ventilators" headlines floating out of the mouth of educated people. If that were true, the calculus would change...but it's not, not even close and has never been.
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Where did you see that headline?
 
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