Vaccine

MicPaPa said:
I'm all for some R&R at a casino card table with some disposable income, but gambling with ones kids or grandkids is some next-level sick shit.
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I'm still waiting for their next next level shit, Folks got fired for no jab after they turned down free lotto tickets, cheese burgers, $75 on pay check. No jab, no college for you. Now their saying no jab=certain winter death. What's the next level shit Mic PaPa?
 
Merry Christmas! We decided to go with the throwback stomach flu in our home for Christmas with three falling to floor to drive the porcelain bus so far.. My oldest, being the hipster he is, decided to be trendy and his household tested covid positive...for the third time. And yea, their vaxed. Stay safe!
 
Multi Sport said:
Merry Christmas! We decided to go with the throwback stomach flu in our home for Christmas with three falling to floor to drive the porcelain bus so far.. My oldest, being the hipster he is, decided to be trendy and his household tested covid positive...for the third time. And yea, their vaxed. Stay safe!
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Merry Christmas to you to Multi Sport- Sorry to hear about the stomach flu. I thought it was eradicated. Thanks for sharing truth. Hope son feels better :)
 
"Even if you ((I)) should suffer for doing what is right, you are 100% blessed :)
Do not FEAR their threats; do not be frighten." Brother Peter some time AD.

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Make that four driving that porcelain bus. I'm actually just finishing up installing a new toilet in the MB.. hopefully I'm not driving that new bus later.
 
Desert Hound said:
He isn't all there.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1474447451243298818
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1. Guy who did this is disrespectful and an asshole. Completely inappropriate given the context.
2. he isn’t all there. Left is trying to spin it that he was just trying to be a good guy and make light of it. No way…he said he should f himself. Then he asked about where the guy was calling from which you wouldn’t do after someone told you to f yourself…good guy or no…standard protocol is to move on as quickly as possible. He’s not just gone…way gone.
3. She got it. Was po’d. Handled it as graciously as could be expected under the circumstances.

all true at the same time.
 
I read dr atlas’ book a few hours before bed. It’s a good illuminating read. A few take aways (acknowledging it’s his view of things and there’s always another story):

-we had assumed it was fauci pulling the strings. It wasn’t. It was Birx and she and atlas hated each other
-he has a hard on for trump. Trump regretted the listening to fauci on the initial lockdowns
-fauci Is portrayed largely as a media whore, incensed being pushed away from the mics and the daily briefings but viewed his roll as trying to build some consensus on the task force
-redfield (of masks better than vaccines and if we all mask this goes away) is portrayed as a moron
-the other person responsible for the debacle is vp pence. Pence lost control of the task force, put birx in de factor charge of it, and as a result conflicting policies emerged from the White House and the task force. The two were working at cross purposes and pence was too nice or to weak to put it in order
-the White House is portrayed as incompetent, lacking the courage to disband the task force and more obsessed with the election than doing what Was right. He lays this at the feet of Kushner
-he likes de santis and credits their meeting to some of the policies de santis pursued
-he hates the media. Says they were out to torch the president and anyone associated with him (like atlas)
-he points out that among the 4 doctors as a health policy expert he was probably the most qualified to make recommendations. He confirms none of the others were concerned with the cost of their policy recommends
-he alleges (without evidence only speculation) vaccines were delayed because of the election
-it’s clear atlas was not a fighter and ill suited for the political battle he has wandered into. He was naive and didn’t have the personality (being far to prickly) or strength to do what needed to be done. His effectiveness was limited by his personality.
 
Grace T. said:
I read dr atlas’ book a few hours before bed. It’s a good illuminating read. A few take aways (acknowledging it’s his view of things and there’s always another story):

-we had assumed it was fauci pulling the strings. It wasn’t. It was Birx and she and atlas hated each other
-he has a hard on for trump. Trump regretted the listening to fauci on the initial lockdowns
-fauci Is portrayed largely as a media whore, incensed being pushed away from the mics and the daily briefings but viewed his roll as trying to build some consensus on the task force
-redfield (of masks better than vaccines and if we all mask this goes away) is portrayed as a moron
-the other person responsible for the debacle is vp pence. Pence lost control of the task force, put birx in de factor charge of it, and as a result conflicting policies emerged from the White House and the task force. The two were working at cross purposes and pence was too nice or to weak to put it in order
-the White House is portrayed as incompetent, lacking the courage to disband the task force and more obsessed with the election than doing what Was right. He lays this at the feet of Kushner
-he likes de santis and credits their meeting to some of the policies de santis pursued
-he hates the media. Says they were out to torch the president and anyone associated with him (like atlas)
-he points out that among the 4 doctors as a health policy expert he was probably the most qualified to make recommendations. He confirms none of the others were concerned with the cost of their policy recommends
-he alleges (without evidence only speculation) vaccines were delayed because of the election
-it’s clear atlas was not a fighter and ill suited for the political battle he has wandered into. He was naive and didn’t have the personality (being far to prickly) or strength to do what needed to be done. His effectiveness was limited by his personality.
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Did he have anything to say about this? --

Open Letter re- SA-final 09-09-20 (R7)pp.pdf

drive.google.com drive.google.com

How did he cover his suggestion that the people of Michigan should "Step Up" and resist their governor's covid policies because "Freedom Matters"?

Did he explain in any detail how his expertise in developing MRI techniques helped him detect coronavirus infections?
 
espola said:
Did he have anything to say about this? --

Open Letter re- SA-final 09-09-20 (R7)pp.pdf

drive.google.com drive.google.com

How did he cover his suggestion that the people of Michigan should "Step Up" and resist their governor's covid policies because "Freedom Matters"?

Did he explain in any detail how his expertise in developing MRI techniques helped him detect coronavirus infections?
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Beat me to it! “I’m no expert in the field but I did kiss the king’s ass!” An acknowledgment apropos to many in the previous admin.
 
espola said:
Did he have anything to say about this? --

Open Letter re- SA-final 09-09-20 (R7)pp.pdf

drive.google.com drive.google.com

How did he cover his suggestion that the people of Michigan should "Step Up" and resist their governor's covid policies because "Freedom Matters"?

Did he explain in any detail how his expertise in developing MRI techniques helped him detect coronavirus infections?
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He does not talk about Michigan in the book as far as I can recall

he does go into the mri thing. He alleges it’s a Nasty smear. He says in 2011 his specialty changed to health policy. He goes into extensive detail how. I haven’t seen the counter argument but standing on its own it’s pretty pursuasive. He alleges the smear/talking point began with faucibut concedes he doesn’t have evidence. He blames the White House staffs incompetence for not rebutting the smear. He argues that as a health policy experts he was more qualified to balance decisions than the other 3 (none of whom were epidemiologist) and whom lay people at the White House were afraid to challenge. He was very surprised that trump didn’t bring on an epidemiologist to sit on the task force and thought there should be more special advisors of various persuasions. He takes a hatchet job to birxs credentials, almost all of which had to do with aids.
 
Grace T. said:
He does not talk about Michigan in the book as far as I can recall

he does go into the mri thing. He alleges it’s a Nasty smear. He says in 2011 his specialty changed to health policy. He goes into extensive detail how. I haven’t seen the counter argument but standing on its own it’s pretty pursuasive. He alleges the smear/talking point began with faucibut concedes he doesn’t have evidence. He blames the White House staffs incompetence for not rebutting the smear. He argues that as a health policy experts he was more qualified to balance decisions than the other 3 (none of whom were epidemiologist) and whom lay people at the White House were afraid to challenge. He was very surprised that trump didn’t bring on an epidemiologist to sit on the task force and thought there should be more special advisors of various persuasions. He takes a hatchet job to birxs credentials, almost all of which had to do with aids.
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Ps. He mentions gottleib as someone who should have been brought back. He claims there were a lot of epidemiologists other than the vocal ones labeled as fringe who disagreed with fauci but for their careers were afraid to come forward (fearing a hit would be put on them as Stanford faculty did to him). One of the reasons it apparently didn’t happen (more outside experts helping) is because pence mistakenly believed birx was “maga through and through” (which in retrospect is hilarious).
 
Grace T. said:
He does not talk about Michigan in the book as far as I can recall

he does go into the mri thing. He alleges it’s a Nasty smear. He says in 2011 his specialty changed to health policy. He goes into extensive detail how. I haven’t seen the counter argument but standing on its own it’s pretty pursuasive. He alleges the smear/talking point began with faucibut concedes he doesn’t have evidence. He blames the White House staffs incompetence for not rebutting the smear. He argues that as a health policy experts he was more qualified to balance decisions than the other 3 (none of whom were epidemiologist) and whom lay people at the White House were afraid to challenge. He was very surprised that trump didn’t bring on an epidemiologist to sit on the task force and thought there should be more special advisors of various persuasions. He takes a hatchet job to birxs credentials, almost all of which had to do with aids.
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I don't see how pointing out his greatest professional accomplishment is a smear. From his Stanford bio --

"Dr. Atlas is also the editor of the leading textbook in the field, the best‐selling Magnetic Resonance Imaging of the Brain and Spine, now in its 5th edition and officially translated from English into Mandarin, Spanish, and Portuguese. He has been editor, associate editor, and a member of the boards of numerous scientific journals and national and international scientific societies over the past three decades. His medical research centered on advanced applications of new MRI technologies in neurologic diseases. While Professor of Radiology and Chief of Neuroradiology at Stanford University Medical Center from 1998 until 2012 and during his previous faculty positions, Dr. Atlas trained over 100 neuroradiology fellows, many of whom are now leaders in the field throughout the world."

No one is objecting to his expertise in MRI techniques. The criticism about his appointment is his lack of corresponding;y relevant knowledge in infectious diseases. From a non-partisan distance, his appointment appeared to stem not so much from his professional expertise, but rather from his reliable politics.

One more question -- are you suggesting that Fauci is not a qualified epidemiologist?
 
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