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Desert Hound said:
I find it fascinating that the party that claims to be for the little guy consistently implements policies in CA that makes everyday living far more expensive than it should.
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Not just CA. Blue states and cities across the country have a nasty habit of making it near impossible to build housing. Then they express surprise at the cost of living, completely oblivious to their own role in creating the problem.
 
EvilGoalie 21 said:
Just my 2 cents. From my POV, the remarkable burst of research productivity in virology and epidemiology during the pandemic has provided unprecedented, and to some extent near real time and unfiltered, access to scientific work product for decision makers and the public at large. If the public accesses that information and comes to their own opinion, that has to be considered a good thing. And sure, much of that is just going to be using it as a bullet point supporting some pre-existing position in argumentative debate. Maybe that's frustrating, but It's a sport and the goal is to win. The same tactics and tells are baked into scientific writing itself; the authors have to present some sort of narrative surrounding their data. There is career pressure to avoid, well, this data could potentially mean a lot of things. So, at some point you get "these data show", "it logically follows" etc. with a clause supporting one of several positions laid out at the beginning of the work. When really what they should say in many cases is "one reasonable interpretation, among a number of other reasonable interpretations that we cannot exclude, is that...." Logically consistent versus logically forcing. Logically consistent can be used to do a lot of heavy lifting that maybe it shouldn't be doing. But if it is all just a game in the public sphere, well play or don't play.

But as we've also seen there are increasingly well developed mechanisms for purposefully distorting and misappropriating scientific information, some of which the scientific community is playing right into in a remarkably pathetic kind of way. These cyclic disinformation campaigns are only just getting started and are really going to kick us to the curb at some point. It's the difference between lying and bullshitting, intent really matters. What we do here is basicially just bullshitting, although there is also some ant lioning going on. It's all good really. But the whole "let quantitative information mean whatever you want it to mean" is just start getting started.

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I would just add that besides the BS and the misinformation, there is a whole of a lot of gaslighting going on which IMO is a significantly different animal.
 
Desert Hound said:
Speaking of bad ideas. Unbelievable actually. Who knew that illegally entering a country could be so lucrative. I wonder if these payments go through how that will affect the flow of people wanting to come in illegally? That of course is a trick question for most. Espola?

"This is no Babylon Bee spoof; this is ripped from the pages of the Wall Street Journal.

Though it’s tempting to shake your head in disbelief, read on. Oh, and make sure you shut your slack jaw because things are about to get worse and we don’t want any dribbling.

The Biden Administration is “in talks” with the lawfare crowd at the ACLU to pay illegal aliens about a half a million dollars apiece — $450,000 or $1 million per family — on “behalf of parents and children who say the [U.S.] government subjected them to lasting psychological trauma” during family separation."
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What do you think the courts would award when the lawsuit got to a jury?

Half a million sounds a little low, to be honest. Maybe @MacDre has a read on it, but I can easily imagine a jury awarding a lot more.
 
watfly said:
A mile from my house:
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I make it a point to gas up the the AZ/CA border as I head in. On the way out I put in just enough gas to get back to the border where prices are substantially lower.

Compare items you buy in a grocery store in CA vs AZ. Pick the same brands and note the difference in cost.

The DD does team travel a lot to CA. So sometimes they have the girls pick off the menu of some restaurant of what they want. Last time it was Olive Garden. Most entrees are 1-2 bucks more.

All the buck hear, buck there adds up pretty quickly and to be honest hurts those that can least afford it.
 
Desert Hound said:
Speaking of bad ideas. Unbelievable actually. Who knew that illegally entering a country could be so lucrative. I wonder if these payments go through how that will affect the flow of people wanting to come in illegally? That of course is a trick question for most. Espola?

"This is no Babylon Bee spoof; this is ripped from the pages of the Wall Street Journal.

Though it’s tempting to shake your head in disbelief, read on. Oh, and make sure you shut your slack jaw because things are about to get worse and we don’t want any dribbling.

The Biden Administration is “in talks” with the lawfare crowd at the ACLU to pay illegal aliens about a half a million dollars apiece — $450,000 or $1 million per family — on “behalf of parents and children who say the [U.S.] government subjected them to lasting psychological trauma” during family separation."
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"You're gonna need a bigger boat"
 
watfly said:
I would just add that besides the BS and the misinformation, there is a whole of a lot of gaslighting going on which IMO is a significantly different animal.
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I guess it depends on how much ground you want "bullshit" to cover. Here's something that i bookmarked at one point that seeks to integrate the internet-driven term gaslighting within the broader conception of bullshit set out in Frankfort's classic piece. Maybe one could say that gaslighting is bullshit taken to a certain extreme. Basically, since bullshit is so prevalent I can argue anything I want and you can argue anything you want. Especially in a digitally constructed space where there are no immediate consquences for being wrong. If there is no arbitrator of what's right or what's wrong it "logically follows" that can be no lies. They argue gaslighting is a form of anti-realism that seeks to weaponize bullshit.

www.indarktimes.com

Mourning in America: Gaslighting and Bullshit - In Dark Times

Reflections on gaslighting and bullshit, and the differences between these and lying in the strict sense. Exploring the meaning of political gaslighting.
www.indarktimes.com www.indarktimes.com
 
Desert Hound said:
Speaking of bad ideas. Unbelievable actually. Who knew that illegally entering a country could be so lucrative. I wonder if these payments go through how that will affect the flow of people wanting to come in illegally? That of course is a trick question for most. Espola?

"This is no Babylon Bee spoof; this is ripped from the pages of the Wall Street Journal.

Though it’s tempting to shake your head in disbelief, read on. Oh, and make sure you shut your slack jaw because things are about to get worse and we don’t want any dribbling.

The Biden Administration is “in talks” with the lawfare crowd at the ACLU to pay illegal aliens about a half a million dollars apiece — $450,000 or $1 million per family — on “behalf of parents and children who say the [U.S.] government subjected them to lasting psychological trauma” during family separation."
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Think I'll buy more Crypto.
 
watfly said:
A mile from my house:
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Check out what's happening to the UK with their gasoline. We're really close to that happening here too because of the growing truck and truck driver shortage too.

Things are really on the knife's edge right now....one more large winter COVID wave pushes it over the top if the supply issues aren't resolved by Thanksgiving.
 
EvilGoalie 21 said:
I guess it depends on how much ground you want "bullshit" to cover. Here's something that i bookmarked at one point that seeks to integrate the internet-driven term gaslighting within the broader conception of bullshit set out in Frankfort's classic piece. Maybe one could say that gaslighting is bullshit taken to a certain extreme. Basically, since bullshit is so prevalent I can argue anything I want and you can argue anything you want. Especially in a digitally constructed space where there are no immediate consquences for being wrong. If there is no arbitrator of what's right or what's wrong it "logically follows" that can be no lies. They argue gaslighting is a form of anti-realism that seeks to weaponize bullshit.

www.indarktimes.com

Mourning in America: Gaslighting and Bullshit - In Dark Times

Reflections on gaslighting and bullshit, and the differences between these and lying in the strict sense. Exploring the meaning of political gaslighting.
www.indarktimes.com www.indarktimes.com
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IKR. Just check out all this bs going around on social media (all posts from dead people by the way).

fgyn25okt8w71.jpgphzeo1xubbw71.jpgeulxqaqvfdw71.jpgvbhf61xswrv71.png. They are all just so funny. Ha ha.
 

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EvilGoalie 21 said:
I guess it depends on how much ground you want "bullshit" to cover. Here's something that i bookmarked at one point that seeks to integrate the internet-driven term gaslighting within the broader conception of bullshit set out in Frankfort's classic piece. Maybe one could say that gaslighting is bullshit taken to a certain extreme. Basically, since bullshit is so prevalent I can argue anything I want and you can argue anything you want. Especially in a digitally constructed space where there are no immediate consquences for being wrong. If there is no arbitrator of what's right or what's wrong it "logically follows" that can be no lies. They argue gaslighting is a form of anti-realism that seeks to weaponize bullshit.

www.indarktimes.com

Mourning in America: Gaslighting and Bullshit - In Dark Times

Reflections on gaslighting and bullshit, and the differences between these and lying in the strict sense. Exploring the meaning of political gaslighting.
www.indarktimes.com www.indarktimes.com
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Meh the world isn't flat but there's a small but vocal segment that actually believes its flat.

Part of the issue with the Science TM is that its experts have gotten so vested in orthodoxy and their own status and they forget there is very little by way of objective truth. The article I posted about the mom and her autistic son is a good example of this. That's why I've argued it's more important for people to think critically than to just believe one side or the other blindly.

Do strawmanning next....I think we'd all appreciate that. :)
 
EvilGoalie 21 said:
I guess it depends on how much ground you want "bullshit" to cover. Here's something that i bookmarked at one point that seeks to integrate the internet-driven term gaslighting within the broader conception of bullshit set out in Frankfort's classic piece. Maybe one could say that gaslighting is bullshit taken to a certain extreme. Basically, since bullshit is so prevalent I can argue anything I want and you can argue anything you want. Especially in a digitally constructed space where there are no immediate consquences for being wrong. If there is no arbitrator of what's right or what's wrong it "logically follows" that can be no lies. They argue gaslighting is a form of anti-realism that seeks to weaponize bullshit.

www.indarktimes.com

Mourning in America: Gaslighting and Bullshit - In Dark Times

Reflections on gaslighting and bullshit, and the differences between these and lying in the strict sense. Exploring the meaning of political gaslighting.
www.indarktimes.com www.indarktimes.com
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Bullshit, calling a blue car, green. Gaslighting, there is no car there.
 
Desert Hound said:
I make it a point to gas up the the AZ/CA border as I head in. On the way out I put in just enough gas to get back to the border where prices are substantially lower.

Compare items you buy in a grocery store in CA vs AZ. Pick the same brands and note the difference in cost.

The DD does team travel a lot to CA. So sometimes they have the girls pick off the menu of some restaurant of what they want. Last time it was Olive Garden. Most entrees are 1-2 bucks more.

All the buck hear, buck there adds up pretty quickly and to be honest hurts those that can least afford it.
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I always fill up in Yuma coming home. Phoenix 3 weeks ago:20211003_113328.jpg
 
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