Looks like we have another vacancy under the bridge….
Vaccine
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Bruddah IZ
DA
Noah Carl – with help from my favorite t.v. program of all time – describes the political ‘(il)logic’ of Covid lockdowns. A slice:
When I asked Philippe Lemoine why lockdowns were implemented with so little regard for costs, he suggested that politicians didn’t want to “leave themselves open to the accusation of not having done anything to curb the epidemic”. They had to do something, even if that something ended up causing more harm than good.
This fallacy was popularised by the much-loved British sitcom Yes, Prime Minister. In the episode‘Power to the People’, Sir Humphrey Appleby is talking to his predecessor Sir Arnold Robinson about the Prime Minister’s plans to reform local government.
Sir Arnold says, “He’s suffering from politician’s logic,” to which Sir Humphrey replies, “Something must be done; this is something; therefore we must do it.” In other words: ‘Something must be done; lockdown is something; therefore we must do it.
The incentives that gave rise to ‘politician’s logic’ in this case are obvious. While the ‘benefits’ of lockdown are immediate and visible, the costs may take months or even years to materialise. (By ‘benefits’, I mean the reduction in social and economic activity that is believed to reduce viral transmission.)
Furthermore, even if lockdown’s impact on mortality turns out to be marginal, politicians can claim that things would have been far worse if not for their tough and far-sighted decisions.
Yes, clearly none of the thousands of epidemiologists in the country is telling the truth.
There isn't even a virus at all. It's all one big scam to trick you into wearing a mask, so we can laugh at you on social media.
*Eye roll*
Religious exemption lawsuit.
abcnews.go.com
Judge blocks medical worker vaccine mandate in NY state
A federal judge has temporarily blocked New York state from forcing medical workers to be vaccinated after a group of health care workers sued, saying their Constitutional rights were violated
abcnews.go.com
Are you having birthday parties with 200 people? Are you going to the Met Gala party? I doubt it.
I don't know about you, but my life has changed at its core since the pandemic started. We no longer go to large gatherings, we only let our kids hang out with other kids (mask free) outdoors. In fact we avoid them hanging out indoors with other kids altogether. We had to manage remote learning during lockdown. We didn't have "assistants" or private tutors. We haven't been on a plane in over 2 years now. Some of this is habitual as we've become accustomed to it. But make no mistake, a large swath of the US population is living with heightened levels of anxiety and stress. I don't think we can even fathom the mental health impact this is having. I can handle that, if I know there's a light at the end of the tunnel.
I am pro-vax and wear a mask when I go somewhere indoors. I'm baffled by the anti-vaxer mindset. My reaction here is the same as when I'd see Trump golfing 200 days a year while the country suffered. These elected officials, republican or democrat, left or right, aren't leaders. All at the same time, Bezos, Zuckerberg, Musk, etc are raking it in. The grifters and MSM are raking it in as well. The division is a cash crop for them. There's nothing trying to unite people.
So, when I see the wealthy and politicians living their lives as if the pandemic isn't a thing, I can't help but think of the proverb, "Do as I say, not as I do".
Desert Hound
DA
Now a few weeks ago dad predicted we would peak mid Oct.
That always struck me funny due to the fact that most of the other western countries had a rise of 4-6 weeks then things dropped off.
I always assumed we would follow a similar pattern.
Low and behold it appears that is exactly what we are doing.
We have examples of other countries around the world who got delta before us. Why our chattering class and politicians don't look at that data and assume we likely see a similar pattern is beyond me.
That always struck me funny due to the fact that most of the other western countries had a rise of 4-6 weeks then things dropped off.
I always assumed we would follow a similar pattern.
Low and behold it appears that is exactly what we are doing.
We have examples of other countries around the world who got delta before us. Why our chattering class and politicians don't look at that data and assume we likely see a similar pattern is beyond me.
I think Bruddah touched on it with his "yes, minister" joke. The politicians feel pressured to "do something". So they pressure the health experts to "do something" (you see this in play with the politico story on the FDA and boosters). The experts aren't rewarded for being overly risky...people die and they are blamed....so they'll take the most conservative policy and they'll make the most aggressive model. They don't take into concern the other costs because that isn't in their portfolio. The politician, having heard the advice to "do something", isn't going to challenge the expert or take into consideration other experts not in the field, because if it goes south (like Cuomo and the nursing homes) they'll bear the brunt of it. But the politicians don't necessarily REALLY believe the advice being given (or they'd follow it meticulously themselves). Since they are powerful, they can afford to get exemptions from the rules or cheat (like Newsom and the French laundry). Constituencies like children who have no power get thrown under the bus.
There's also another school of thought out there that says this is a conspiracy to promulgate the Great Reset. I don't buy into that theory. Life is too messy for neat explanations like that. But I do think things like the federal vaxx mandate (if they survive court review) would serve to increase government power via executive order in other areas of life (such as climate change)....if the federal government can do that, what can't it do?
GoldenGate
GOLD
Per Grace T., the government and health experts conspired to lie about the pandemic and overstate how dangerous it is so they could make children wear masks unnecessarily at school. We know this because children do not transmit Covid. Teachers and staff also do not transmit Covid. Healthcare costs do not rise for employers, including school districts, because no one is actually dying of Covid (except when we can blame democrats). We know it is all a conspiracy (although not THE conspiracy to overthrow capitalism) because Gavin Newsom once had dinner at the French Laundry. You must ignore what every medical expert in the world is saying. Everything they say is a lie. Believe Grace T. instead.
met61
GOLD
You must get a vaccine and wear a mask to protect those who got a vaccine and are wearing a mask.
...hook, line, and sinker.
Don't discourage him, I still have a lot of popcorn left.
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
Time is all he has. Who else would want his time?
Is EOTL still on about me? He's just po'd I bested him again by figuring out who he is. I'm not reading his posts but $10 says he's dropped all pretenses and is going off calling people names again, just to make it obvious.
what-happened
GOLD
shhhhh
No, no. I am wise to it now. I was being played.
No more masks for me. I now know that every single virologist in the country was lying to me. Those pictures of freezer trucks outside hospitals? Those held the crushed ice for the margaritas they’d drink while laughing at all of us plebes.
Thanks to you for setting me straight.
Just out of curiosity, which epidemiologist are you going to believe in regards to the booster?
Desert Hound
DA
You still have not explained why you wear n95 masks. Why not just use the surgical masks you so highly tout?
GoldenGate
GOLD
Grace T. says we should not listen to any medical experts because they have all been pressured to lie by politicians. Other than desert hound's anonymous pathologist/war veteran/Big 10 med school grad/former resident at a secret reputable place, who posts things at websites that even desert hound is too embarrassed to admit.
We should only listen to Grace T. despite apparently never having a paying job in her adult life, because that's how conspiracy theories work best.
I have not heard anyone with a solid rebuttal to Gruber and Krause’s argument. Third shots save fewer lives than first shots.
If I were particularly vulnerable, I’d probably get in line for shot #3. But I am not. That shot does more good in someone else’s arm.
If, a year or two from now, the world is mostly vaccinated and they recommend a Delta/Mu/Omega booster, I’ll get it.
Wow...shocking...something you and I actually agree on....every single word.
Where I think we disagree is where this leaves us. Effectively, it means you are conceding there is nothing on the horizon and no soft off ramp (which is unacceptable to the Biden admin). That leaves us with 3 possibilities: a. the Delta burns itself out relatively quickly and miraculously things turn back to normal and no further variants take hold, b. the English/north European approach....remove most restrictions and masks and testing of asymptomatics (particularly in schools) and trust natural immunity to act as a booster and get us there, or c. we continue with soft restrictions in perpetuity. It's a reasonable position to say we can't do b. until we get greater first shot compliance, but I note the CDC estimates 83% seroprevalence already among blood donors and the remaining 17% do have an autonomy to make bad decisions.
met61
GOLD
You jabbed your kids with a big unknown, that can't be fully knowable for several years. (FYI, smallpox vax prevents contracting and spreading).
You blindly followed and bowed too your betters, masking your kids all day in school while your betters are laughing, socializing, and partying maskless without a worry in the world.
Actually, you might be intelligent, but wise you are not.