President Joe Biden

espola said:
What is wrong with the California standards?
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California shouldnt be the one to de facto set national standards.

If we are going to have national standards it should be done at the federal level.

For arguments sake I am sure there would be many things you wouldn't like if Texas did them and it became the de facto standard. You would rightly say it should be done at the federal level.

Or does that logic escape you?
 
Desert Hound said:
California shouldnt be the one to de facto set national standards.

If we are going to have national standards it should be done at the federal level.

For arguments sake I am sure there would be many things you wouldn't like if Texas did them and it became the de facto standard. You would rightly say it should be done at the federal level.

Or does that logic escape you?
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Idk... the states license and register the vehicles, and they pay for most of the road repair. So it's a bit of a stretch to say the feds are in charge of automobiles emissions within the boarders of any given state.

More over, it doesn't make any sense to manage vehicle standards at the national level. Returning to the 80's the emissions standards for the rest of the country plainly was not working in Los Angeles.
 
tenacious said:
Idk... the states license and register the vehicles, and they pay for most of the road repair. So it's a bit of a stretch to say the feds are in charge of automobiles emissions within the boarders of any given state.

More over, it doesn't make any sense to manage vehicle standards at the national level. Returning to the 80's the emissions standards for the rest of the country plainly was not working in Los Angeles.
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If I have time I will send you over some articles talking about this so you can understand what the actual issue was/is.

Not to be harsh, but I can tell you are not up to speed on the issue and what the issues where. An example is your statement saying returning to 80s standards. That is so far off base as to be....well you know. Nobody was talking about that or anything close.
 
Desert Hound said:
California shouldnt be the one to de facto set national standards.

If we are going to have national standards it should be done at the federal level.

For arguments sake I am sure there would be many things you wouldn't like if Texas did them and it became the de facto standard. You would rightly say it should be done at the federal level.

Or does that logic escape you?
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You didn't answer the question.
 
Desert Hound said:
If I have time I will send you over some articles talking about this so you can understand what the actual issue was/is.

Not to be harsh, but I can tell you are not up to speed on the issue and what the issues where. An example is your statement saying returning to 80s standards. That is so far off base as to be....well you know. Nobody was talking about that or anything close.
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Feel free to say whatever you want, it doesn't bother me if you're harsh. As long as folks got a point and I don't have to read through a bunch of adult pouting... it's all good with me.

As to the rest, feel free to post any links you like. Again let me point out that states pay for most of the roads and register/license the vehicles... and per states rights they have the authority per my (admittedly iffy) reading of the Constitution.

But setting all that aside, you see the type of yahoo's that are getting elected to national office these days. And we all know deep down where we might not want to admit it that both sides have gone bat-shite crazy. So my two cents is I'd rather have someone local running energy policy that can be recalled... and keep the angry partisans looking to get their faces on TV away from the controls.
 
Grace T. said:
there's a lot true in your post but you can't seriously believe Biden will run in 3 years? At this point, I wouldn't bet more than 20 dollars that he'd make it to the midterms.
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At this point I don't see an Dem alternative to Biden who is competent, nationally viable and also checks all the right boxes as far as culture background / personal history? At least off the top of my head I can't think of anyone...

So the lack of a plan B seemingly means Dems are tied to him and going to have to prop him up as long as possible.
 
tenacious said:
At this point I don't see an Dem alternative to Biden who is competent, nationally viable and also checks all the right boxes as far as culture background / personal history? At least off the top of my head I can't think of anyone...

So the lack of a plan B seemingly means Dems are tied to him and going to have to prop him up as long as possible.
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Kind of like “weekend at bernies”? I liked that movie as a kid.
 
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