President Joe Biden

met61 said:
@espola is the resident d-bag...
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Idk in my experience it's more fun in here if you put the posters who bug you on ignore and just keep it to policy talk. Mostly because politics is a tinder box these days, and the name calling just degenerates the convo to memes (we've all see before) and internet trolling.

So... did you read that David Brooks article I posted in the Union thread? I thought he had a good point that the false bravado of the Trump crowd was really a reaction to coastal elites control over culture and money. And in that context, someone like you met61 (who is probably not too bad a guy in real life), is turned into the angry and verbose Trump supporter. Because you're stuck paying into a system that doesn't seem to like you.

But seeing that you don't actually have ideas or plans you're advancing to change this other than memes and voting for Trump so you can listen to him call people names, I would suggest that your problem is the same as mine; both the parties are just offering different flavors of crazy. Which is why I'm supporting moderates candidates from here on out. They are the only ones offering any semblance of competency over crazy.
 
tenacious said:
Idk in my experience it's more fun in here if you put the posters who bug you on ignore and just keep it to policy talk. Mostly because politics is a tinder box these days, and the name calling just degenerates the convo to memes (we've all see before) and internet trolling.

So... did you read that David Brooks article I posted in the Union thread? I thought he had a good point that the false bravado of the Trump crowd was really a reaction to coastal elites control over culture and money. And in that context, someone like you met61 (who is probably not too bad a guy in real life), is turned into the angry and verbose Trump supporter. Because you're stuck paying into a system that doesn't seem to like you.

But seeing that you don't actually have ideas or plans you're advancing to change this other than memes and voting for Trump so you can listen to him call people names, I would suggest that your problem is the same as mine; both the parties are just offering different flavors of crazy. Which is why I'm supporting moderates candidates from here on out. They are the only ones offering any semblance of competency over crazy.
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You've never met me, so spare me the psychoanalysis...you're in a soccer forum spending a telling amount of time and energy producing numerous lengthy word salads thinking you are an Oracle for change and thinking you are convincing others besides yourself.

No need to read Brooks to know what it says..."Orange Man Bad" while broad brushing 76+mil citizens of all races he's never met with all the usual "ists" and "isms"...same old tired and boring pablum.

So, your depth and seriousness is... "but, mean words and tweets"...and in a soccer forum, no less... I'd say ridicule and old memes are about right.

Here, I'll play along...maybe try something beyond the tabloid personality drivel such as...I don't know, results and accomplishments along with their impact on your family and community.

Trump Administration Accomplishments – The White House

trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov

BTW, how about those PSG acquisitions?
 
met61 said:
You've never met me, so spare me the psychoanalysis...you're in a soccer forum spending a telling amount of time and energy producing numerous lengthy word salads thinking you are an Oracle for change and thinking you are convincing others besides yourself.

No need to read Brooks to know what it says..."Orange Man Bad" while broad brushing 76+mil citizens of all races he's never met with all the usual "ists" and "isms"...same old tired and boring pablum.

So, your depth and seriousness is... "but, mean words and tweets"...and in a soccer forum, no less... I'd say ridicule and old memes are about right.

Here, I'll play along...maybe try something beyond the tabloid personality drivel such as...I don't know, results and accomplishments along with their impact on your family and community.

Trump Administration Accomplishments – The White House

trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov

BTW, how about those PSG acquisitions?
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Dang bro... you're sure wound up tight. Even for a trumper. And here I thought you were coming in for a little friendly banter on a youth soccer forum- so you appreciate my surprise at how that turned into you lecturing me on how your too good to be talking to someone like me.

Anyway I was just trying to find something to get the conversation rolling. You don't have to like my stuff, but do you have a thought or idea you'd like to share? I've got my fingers crossed that there is more to this you to sitting around in here policing everyone else's conversations with all that bluster about how smart you are and links to other peoples thoughts on why you like Trump... lol
 
tenacious said:
Dang bro... you're sure wound up tight. Even for a trumper. And here I thought you were coming in for a little friendly banter on a youth soccer forum- so you appreciate my surprise at how that turned into you lecturing me on how your too good to be talking to someone like me.

Anyway I was just trying to find something to get the conversation rolling. You don't have to like my stuff, but do you have a thought or idea you'd like to share? I've got my fingers crossed that there is more to this you to sitting around in here policing everyone else's conversations with all that bluster about how smart you are and links to other peoples thoughts on why you like Trump... lol
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...yawn.
 
It's going to be interesting how this whole abortion thing shakes out. I know there is big money to be fundraised off abortion politics, but my read as a human living in America... is that most people quietly supported the status quo.

Despite being a moderate myself, and having always had a respect for Susan Colleens... she should have bucked her party on voting for Kavanaugh. Which is why I would say it's time for her to retire? Same with any moderates in the House who will vote for the $3.5 Bernie Bill in hopes of fending off a socialist primary challenger... talk about a bunch of whimps.

www.politico.com

Abortion fight adds to Biden’s growing policy backlog

Biden needs Congress to protect abortion rights, just as he needs their help with much of his domestic agenda.
www.politico.com www.politico.com
 
tenacious said:
It's going to be interesting how this whole abortion thing shakes out. I know there is big money to be fundraised off abortion politics, but my read as a human living in America... is that most people quietly supported the status quo.

Despite being a moderate myself, and having always had a respect for Susan Colleens... she should have bucked her party on voting for Kavanaugh. Which is why I would say it's time for her to retire? Same with any moderates in the House who will vote for the $3.5 Bernie Bill in hopes of fending off a socialist primary challenger... talk about a bunch of whimps.

www.politico.com

Abortion fight adds to Biden’s growing policy backlog

Biden needs Congress to protect abortion rights, just as he needs their help with much of his domestic agenda.
www.politico.com www.politico.com
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Translation: "I'm a spinless tool of the left...and, I'm with Jeb!"
 
met61 said:
Translation: "I'm a spinless tool of the left...and, I'm with Jeb!"
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So you like the authoritarian types like Trump and Warren? Hmm... Idk. Those folks always set alarm bells ringing in my head. I'm 'merican and I like my freedom- so in fairness I'll probably never see eye to eye with the micromanagers of the world. To me as voters we are the 'hot girl' that all the politicians wants. And as such, it's to our advantage to keep our options open each time an election rolls around... as we are actually able to tell them what we want and they will respond if they think they have a chance for our vote.
 
tenacious said:
So you like the authoritarian types like Trump and Warren? Hmm... Idk. Those folks always set alarm bells ringing in my head. I'm 'merican and I like my freedom- so in fairness I'll probably never see eye to eye with the micromanagers of the world. To me as voters we are the 'hot girl' that all the politicians wants. And as such, it's to our advantage to keep our options open each time an election rolls around... as we are actually able to tell them what we want and they will respond if they think they have a chance for our vote.
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From the list of Trump's accomplishments and policies...what are the top three you take issue with?
 
met61 said:
From the list of Trump's accomplishments and policies...what are the top three you take issue with?
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This is a little off topic, but I was reading the other day about how Harris's advisors were upset with her that she hadn't told Biden 'no' when he put her in charge of the boarder. Which made me think of Jared Kushner... and what he must have thought when Trump tapped him to fix the middle east. So far... with that peace accord between the Saudis and Israelis... I think you've got to give that one to Kushner. Which brings me back to Trump. He was very good and finding and empowering competent people. That to me was his greatest strength.

Now as to what I didn't like about his policy, I'm not going to bother looking up specific bills or anything but I'd start with 1_tax cuts that were more generous to the wealthy (paid for by debt) I would say is a mistake. 2_his environmental policies (opening public land / anti clean energy) and trying to roll back California smog standards on cars (anyone alive in the 80's remembers). 3_finally stacking the courts with a bunch of 'conservative' judges to win votes from the Christian evangelical voters in the south is turning out to looking highly questionable to me.

Now it's your turn, what are three things you like about Biden?
 
tenacious said:
This is a little off topic, but I was reading the other day about how Harris's advisors were upset with her that she hadn't told Biden 'no' when he put her in charge of the boarder. Which made me think of Jared Kushner... and what he must have thought when Trump tapped him to fix the middle east. So far... with that peace accord between the Saudis and Israelis... I think you've got to give that one to Kushner. Which brings me back to Trump. He was very good and finding and empowering competent people. That to me was his greatest strength.

Now as to what I didn't like about his policy, I'm not going to bother looking up specific bills or anything but I'd start with 1_tax cuts that were more generous to the wealthy (paid for by debt) I would say is a mistake. 2_his environmental policies (opening public land / anti clean energy) and trying to roll back California smog standards on cars (anyone alive in the 80's remembers). 3_finally stacking the courts with a bunch of 'conservative' judges to win votes from the Christian evangelical voters in the south is turning out to looking highly questionable to me.

Now it's your turn, what are three things you like about Biden?
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LOL! Come on, you don't have to be honest with me... but be honest with yourself...as if there is anything to like other than... "at least he's not DT!"

Seriously, although I appreciate your efforts at a rational conversation...there is nothing rational or logical about anyone who knowingly and willingly supported and elected a senile old man...I refuse to pretend otherwise.

Don't feel bad, you're not alone...TDS broke a lot of otherwise rational people.
 
met61 said:
LOL! Come on, you don't have to be honest with me... but be honest with yourself...as if there is anything to like other than... "at least he's not DT!"

Seriously, although I appreciate your efforts at a rational conversation...there is nothing rational or logical about anyone who knowingly and willingly supported and elected a senile old man...I refuse to pretend otherwise.

Don't feel bad, you're not alone...TDS broke a lot of otherwise rational people.
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Not all of us old people are senile.

On another note -- "better than t" was given by Grace as a reason to like DeSantis.
 
tenacious said:
trying to roll back California smog standards
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On this one you misremember a bit or a lot. I won't bother with the other ones.

The problem with the CA standards is that they have become the defacto standard for the nation. In other words that market is large enough where car makers just go with those standards.

The issue was and is, does one state get to set national standards. The answer should be no. And that is what the fight was about.

Now the press didn't frame it as such, nor did they go into any explanation of what was actually happening. They just went with Trump is trying to tell CA it can or cannot do this...when in reality the issue was far more complicated.
 
Desert Hound said:
On this one you misremember a bit or a lot. I won't bother with the other ones.

The problem with the CA standards is that they have become the defacto standard for the nation. In other words that market is large enough where car makers just go with those standards.

The issue was and is, does one state get to set national standards. The answer should be no. And that is what the fight was about.

Now the press didn't frame it as such, nor did they go into any explanation of what was actually happening. They just went with Trump is trying to tell CA it can or cannot do this...when in reality the issue was far more complicated.
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What is wrong with the California standards?
 
met61 said:
LOL! Come on, you don't have to be honest with me... but be honest with yourself...as if there is anything to like other than... "at least he's not DT!"

Seriously, although I appreciate your efforts at a rational conversation...there is nothing rational or logical about anyone who knowingly and willingly supported and elected a senile old man...I refuse to pretend otherwise.

Don't feel bad, you're not alone...TDS broke a lot of otherwise rational people.
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Hey if you want to hitch your wagon to the orange one then I'm happy you've found a candidate that you like. At this point I disagree, but I'm going to wait and see how things go. In the end I know all of the just want to f' me, but I'm going to make them kiss me before they do.

As for the rest of your post. To me holding up the guy who made his whole staff publicly pretend his inauguration crowd was biggest in history (photos of the actual crowd be damned), and still can't admit he lost the election (let alone why) as a beacon of sanity... just doesn't pass the smell test. Also imagine the fuss if Trump lost twice to Biden! It would be so decisive for the moral of country. Trump might be the only person on earth the Republican's could run who Biden could beat at this point? But ugh.
 
tenacious said:
Hey if you want to hitch your wagon to the orange one then I'm happy you've found a candidate that you like. At this point I disagree, but I'm going to wait and see how things go. In the end I know all of the just want to f' me, but I'm going to make them kiss me before they do.

As for the rest of your post. To me holding up the guy who made his whole staff publicly pretend his inauguration crowd was biggest in history (photos of the actual crowd be damned), and still can't admit he lost the election (let alone why) as a beacon of sanity... just doesn't pass the smell test. Also imagine the fuss if Trump lost twice to Biden! It would be so decisive for the moral of country. Trump might be the only person on earth the Republican's could run who Biden could beat at this point? But ugh.
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there's a lot true in your post but you can't seriously believe Biden will run in 3 years? At this point, I wouldn't bet more than 20 dollars that he'd make it to the midterms.
 
"It's all across the country, you know, the members of Congress know from their colleagues in Congress that uh, you know, it looks like a tornado, they don't call 'em that anymore, that hit the crops and wetlands in the middle of the country in Iowa and Nevada and I mean, it's just across the board. And uh, you know um, as I said, we're in this together."

Our Commander in Chief..
 
espola said:
Not all of us old people are senile.

On another note -- "better than t" was given by Grace as a reason to like DeSantis.
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Correct...but this one clearly is, and you knew it. I don't blame Biden, just the fools who pretend otherwise.

...and why should I care what Grace thinks?
 
tenacious said:
Hey if you want to hitch your wagon to the orange one then I'm happy you've found a candidate that you like. At this point I disagree, but I'm going to wait and see how things go. In the end I know all of the just want to f' me, but I'm going to make them kiss me before they do.

As for the rest of your post. To me holding up the guy who made his whole staff publicly pretend his inauguration crowd was biggest in history (photos of the actual crowd be damned), and still can't admit he lost the election (let alone why) as a beacon of sanity... just doesn't pass the smell test. Also imagine the fuss if Trump lost twice to Biden! It would be so decisive for the moral of country. Trump might be the only person on earth the Republican's could run who Biden could beat at this point? But ugh.
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Translation: TDS.
 
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