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Vaccine
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I looked up the answer to my own question. Polio was mandated for schools in California 6 years after the vaccine was developed. The polio vaccine is also close to 100% effective.
It incredibly misleading to justify Covid vaccine mandates because we have required other vaccinations in schools for years.
whatithink
GOLD
So, they have been testing mRNA for years on humans, have noted some side effects, so if you have doubts talk to your doctor and based on your medical history, you should get their go ahead or not. Meanwhile 4.6B + vaccines have been administered. Long term effects in vaccines manifest in the first couple of months as they are one & done (generally), so we have vaccines that have hundreds of millions of people in the 2 months + range to monitor long term effects, again LT for vaccines not whatever you happen to consider to be long term.It isn't hard to research.
There has never been an rMNA vaccine used anywhere in the world prior to covid. There has been some studies on them. All phase 1 studies.
There has not been any long term studies on them.
So for instance one might ask if kids under 17 have no risk of covid, why mandate them to get vaccines until long term studies have been completed...right?
Here is an overview of the rMNA. Talking about how it is new and talking about a few trails that got to stage 1.
Want to Know More About mRNA Before Your COVID Jab?
A primer on the history, scope, and safety of mRNA vaccines and therapeuticswww.medpagetoday.com
Here is the CDC letting us know it is new.
Understanding mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines
Learn how mRNA vaccines trigger an immune response against COVID-19.www.cdc.gov
By they way when you talk anonymous, anti vaxx...I ask again...
What part of not knowing the long term affects of the vaccines do you disagree with? That is a reasonable question. That is not arguing DONT take it. But none the less. By definition on the covid vaccines there are no long term studies done on them. There cannot be since we are still in the short term.
We don't know for example....
Should pregnant women take it?
Should young children?
What about someone with X condition?
How does it react with medications people are taking for other health issues?
There are a whole host of unknowns.
Nobody knows.
That isn't an argument for NOT taking it by the way.
In the short term they have shown to have few issues. And have certainly helped the at risk groups.
However it is an entirely reasonable position to say...wait until we have studied it longer before we mandate people to take it.
Or is that somehow an anti vax or conspiratorial position to take?
For your various categories of "unknowns", consult your doctor, not the internet, if you are concerned.
Soccerfan2
GOLD
That’s a good question. I wonder though, if people understand the relevance of it. Why do people who have close to zero knowledge of the vaccine clinic trial and approval process get so concerned? Do you not trust your doctor? If you are not knowledgeable, I guess it can seem scary that the process didn’t take as long as it has in the past, but it might be reassuring to listen to experts about why that is and why they are still not concerned with taking the vaccine or giving it to their own kids. There’s room for a range of intelligent opinions on this topic but if you don’t fully understand why the process was shorter this time, you don’t have the information you need to judge the potential impact (or lack of) either.
As a side note, vaccines have often been mandated for the military first before other settings like education, and this public pushback against a new (and mandated) vaccine is not unique in our history.
If anyone is a reader, Mountains Beyond Mountains is an awesome book that might give you a different perspective on vaccine programs and human nature.
Bruddah IZ
DA
Adverse reactions to vaccines tend to occur in the first 2 months. Use of mRNA in vaccines has been studied for 2 decades. The first mRNA vaccine trial (human) was in 2009. Its not hard to research this, here's a useful article from the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia.
Feature Article: Long-term Side Effects of COVID-19 Vaccine? What We Know. | Children's Hospital of Philadelphia (chop.edu)
I attended a webinar hosted by a local HS a few weeks ago, where 3 Doctors reiterated the same thing (LT effects), and refuted a wealth of nonsense parents had complained about due to the COVID protocols the HS had put in place, using empirical evidence from reputable sources versus, you know, anonymous statements/positions/opinions from the internet.
BTW, when asked to comment on the low death rate for HS age, they were adamant that HS students should vaccinate. Basically, its about biology & science and preventing community spread. WRT risk of death, the pediatrician from Phoenix Childrens hospital put it this way (not a direct quote, but close enough), "After being on the front lines of this for the past 18 months, healthy kids get sick from COVID, healthy kids end up in hospital from COVID, healthy kids end up in ICU from COVID and healthy kids end up permanently disabled from COVID."
A friend of mine who is also a Doctor at Phoenix Childrens Hospital said they entered "code red" in late August (not sure if they still are). This was caused by the surge in COVID cases (back to school). It means that they were at capacity, i.e. they could admit no more patients. Her kids are vaccinated, she had zero hesitation.
As for the whole conspiracy theory piece, here's another interesting read for you, from a virologist in the UK whose work was hijacked and (selectively) used by anti-vaxers. He put his name to it, so, you know, not anonymous
As a virologist I’m shocked my work has been hijacked by anti-vaxxers | David LV Bauer | The Guardian
Here you go Tyrants. Put your mask on.Adverse reactions to vaccines tend to occur in the first 2 months. Use of mRNA in vaccines has been studied for 2 decades. The first mRNA vaccine trial (human) was in 2009. Its not hard to research this, here's a useful article from the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia.
Feature Article: Long-term Side Effects of COVID-19 Vaccine? What We Know. | Children's Hospital of Philadelphia (chop.edu)
I attended a webinar hosted by a local HS a few weeks ago, where 3 Doctors reiterated the same thing (LT effects), and refuted a wealth of nonsense parents had complained about due to the COVID protocols the HS had put in place, using empirical evidence from reputable sources versus, you know, anonymous statements/positions/opinions from the internet.
BTW, when asked to comment on the low death rate for HS age, they were adamant that HS students should vaccinate. Basically, its about biology & science and preventing community spread. WRT risk of death, the pediatrician from Phoenix Childrens hospital put it this way (not a direct quote, but close enough), "After being on the front lines of this for the past 18 months, healthy kids get sick from COVID, healthy kids end up in hospital from COVID, healthy kids end up in ICU from COVID and healthy kids end up permanently disabled from COVID."
A friend of mine who is also a Doctor at Phoenix Childrens Hospital said they entered "code red" in late August (not sure if they still are). This was caused by the surge in COVID cases (back to school). It means that they were at capacity, i.e. they could admit no more patients. Her kids are vaccinated, she had zero hesitation.
As for the whole conspiracy theory piece, here's another interesting read for you, from a virologist in the UK whose work was hijacked and (selectively) used by anti-vaxers. He put his name to it, so, you know, not anonymous
As a virologist I’m shocked my work has been hijacked by anti-vaxxers | David LV Bauer | The Guardian
Part of the problem is that in the handling of this pandemic, the experts have beclowned themselves: outright lying (about masks or herd immunity thresholds), suppressing info (the China lab leak or debate on treatments), showing themselves being politically motivated (the BLM protests, listening to the teacher's unions on school reopenings), or just plain wrong (14 days to slow the spread....by July 4 this is over). Add to that a healthy dose of skepticism from some communities that have been abused in the past or are looked down upon the ruling elites (e.g. Obama party was o.k. because they were vaxxed and sophisticated, but Sturgis is a death trap), and "trust the experts" isn't the best card to play.
Regardless of how you feel about him, it is overwhelming true that the biggest thing Biden could do to reinstall trust on the right at this point is to fire Fauci or get him to take an honorable retirement. Biden won't do it for a variety of political reasons. And before the trolls jump in and say oh you are just being political here: I actually don't want him to fire Fauci because I'm pretty sure the replacement will likely be worse.
Trust, but verify. We're a multiple doctor opinion family. We've had too many issues with doctors to trust a single one outright. My daughter was almost killed at birth due to a procedure we were against that our doctor assured us was safe. Doctors are not without bias or misguided opinions (or often just unmitigated arrogance). They're human just like the rest of us. We consulted with our doctor and all our kids our vaccinated, in fact, all but my son got our vaxs early . My daughter has had a troubling side effect from the vaccinations for nearly six months and shows no sign of disappearing.
Its healthy to question reported science. I'm pro-science but we have to remember that its humans that are conducting the science.
Soccerfan2
GOLD
I do agree with that!! I wish your daughter well and hope her troubles disappear.
what-happened
GOLD
I don't think so either but it will impact locally in many places. I know of some health systems who are importing help. It's not being done in an ethical manner. Trading work visa for low wages is not a good trend and will in fact drive nurses away from their profession. We already have a nation wide shortage. Throw in covid policies and you'll see start to see rising negative impact on a healthcare worker popualtion that is most vital to us.
Americans' Ratings of CDC Communication Turn Negative
More Americans now disagree than agree that the CDC has communicated a clear plan about the coronavirus response. Ratings of President Joe Biden and governors are also less positive.
news.gallup.com
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
I think the "Multiplicity" theory of duplication also applies to aliases from the same individual. The further a "duplicate" gets from the source, the more messed up it becomes.
The 153 are now on call at the ivermectin clinic, so there is no net loss.
1. More science!
2. If the Trump White House did this people would be screaming murder.
CDC tightened masking guidelines after threats from teachers' union, emails show
The CDC tightened its masking guidance after a prominent teachers' union threatened to release harsh criticism of the Biden administration's policy.www.foxnews.com
Another strawman.
More strawmen.
It's becoming apparent you know very little about strawmen. Gaslighting, though, that you do know about!
GoldenGate
GOLD
So what you're saying is that you quoted a fake manifesto from a fake doctor that you found at a conspiracy theory website that you are too embarrassed to identify.
This is what anti-vaxxers are. They are suckers who are easily duped by fake experts making fake expert opinions based on fake science telling them things they want to here. Literally all the anti-vaxxer bs can be summed up with desert hound's reliance on a fraudulent "expert" from a fringe/alt/whackadoo website that he's too chicken to even identify because it will expose him and all his bs for what it is.
Vaccine mandate is likely coming to LAUSD. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but full approval Pfizer has been granted only to the over 16, not 12-16 correct?
You often erect groups ("you guys, remember?), invent political organizations, and mischaracterize other posters statements, all from your imagination. You then proceed to burn down arguments that no one has, at least not as a group.
Is that good enough understanding for you?
In the first I did no such thing...I'm passing on info and pointed out if Trump was doing what the Biden white house is accused of doing, people would (rightly) be going ape shit.
In the second, I defined the group and even passed on examples.
Guess you don't understand. I do admire the gaslighting ability, though. At least we know you can do something well, Magoo.
He heard other Trolls use it so he thinks it applies….