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Derivative. "Newton's Header" or, if kid's a midfielder "The Masked Mid"
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Derivative. "Newton's Header" or, if kid's a midfielder "The Masked Mid"
Long Covid in children 'nowhere near scale feared'
Public should be reassured over rates of persistent symptoms, leading child health experts say.
www.bbc.com
Biden's top-down booster plan sparks anger at FDA
Acting FDA Commissioner Janet Woodcock sent a memo Tuesday evening to vaccine regulators, reiterating her support as frustration over the process spreads within their ranks.
www.politico.com
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As an editorial...bad day for the Israeli side of the English v. Israeli plan. I'm tilting heavier now towards England.Biden's top-down booster plan sparks anger at FDA
Acting FDA Commissioner Janet Woodcock sent a memo Tuesday evening to vaccine regulators, reiterating her support as frustration over the process spreads within their ranks.
Now I'm back to neutral, but the key factor is whether vaccine immunity really is declining (in which case the boosters are a hopeless whack a mole). Where this might end is boosters maybe for at risk people.
When I first started posting to GOTSoccer many years ago, I signed myself in as soccerdad. GOTSoccer had no control of what names people chose, so I soon got a bunch of replies about my stealing their name. Thus I became espola, which is not a real word but is the name of a street.
Thanks for sharing your history with us. I mean that. Espola Neighborhood is where you are now or where you grew up?
I don't see why declining immunity would necessarily imply booster whack a mole.
Kids have lots of booster shots. Presumably, the initial shot exhibits some amount of declining immunity. But, despite that declining immunity, most diseases do not even have adult booster shots. It might take 2 or 3 rounds, but eventually, the series is sufficient.
Seems quite reasonable that the covid shot could fall into the same pattern as the other vaccinations most people get.
Because you are having a problem getting to 90% even without boosters. If you are doing boosters upon boosters you aren't going to get to the 90% because you loose a portion of that percentage every month....that leaves you by default with the England approach (maybe offering voluntary boosters for those that want them and have underlying conditions).
I get a flu shot every year.
I love it when Grace starts a post with "Because..."
I love it when Grace calls you a liar!!!
Or "Billie the Mid."
a. you aren't mandated to get the flu shot every year
b. people aren't masked up, social distancing isn't imposed, and business aren't restricted during the flu season.
c. about only 45% of the population gets their annual flu shot.
d. people still get (and die) from the flu.
The Israeli/Gottlieb approach is based on continuing protections (though lower grade than lockdowns) until enough of the population receives the booster so some semblance of herd immunity is reached. The English version just acknowledges, as Campbell said, "everyone is going to get it" so lift the restrictions now and natural immunity will serve as a booster (now maybe modified with, boosters for the vulnerable, if they want it). If you go with the Israeli/Gottlieb, things like masks and other restrictions make sense because you are trying to minimize disease in the present). If you go with the UK, you open it up all now (and/or you force people to get their first shot and then open it up).
"Everyone is going to be exposed to it."
Other than that, you are playing in a trio with your anti-vax loon friends.
The English approach is premised on everyone who wants one having at least the first round of vaccination. It's not an approach which would work, say, in Haiti or even Australia with low vaccination rate. It's not anti-vaxx....it assumes hospitalizations/long COVID/death are substantially reduced by the first round of vaxx (proof of this would be my caveat for going all in on the English approach...we know about death but hospitalizaiton/long COVID stats are lacking though the new UK study indicates long COVID is likely not a substantial issue with vaccinated or unvaccinated children). It does also assume that natural immunity after a vax (or having survived COVID) is very robust, which recent info indicates may be correct as well.
You are assuming that any vaccine which ever shows declining potency must automatically need "boosters upon boosters."
That is not even remotely true. We have several diseases which need childhood booster shots, but do not need "boosters upon boosters", as you say. Some of them, like pertussis, also have an incredibly high R and need well above 90% immunity.
Despite all that, whopping cough is rare. The vaccination campaign is successful, and we don't require annual adult pertussis boosters.
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Where is Busker Du?Errr...your last sentence is incorrect. It's recommended that caregivers of young infants too young to receive the shot to receive a pertussis booster (at least it was several years ago when I had kids....I had a bad reaction to mine despite having had several other boosters as an adult including the MMR one when I got potentially exposed at that Disneyland incident).
We've also had periodic outbreaks of whooping cough. Day care centers were closed for 2 weeks in Los Angeles when my son was 2....his playmate and a coworker of mine had their kid hospitalized because of it. If your standard is periodic regional epidemics are cool and we can drop masks/restrictions at that point, o.k. Otherwise, I don't think the pertussis vax does what you think it does.
But I do agree there are two possible permutations of the Israeli/Gottleib approach. Gottlieb himself has said maybe the 3rd booster is enough to really boost immunity for a long time (like varicella). The Israelis are under the impression COVID is more like the flu and will keep mutating so constant boosters are required. I'll give you that much.