Bad News Thread

[crush]

Last year, 100% this would be a covid death. This year's death for the cheaters is that his heart was attacked and he died. First off, RIP sir. I know you did a lot for my friends who work in the union. He worked hard for them. Herman Cain died with stage 4 cancer and each day to him was something special and he get's nailed for Covid and being stupid and all t's fault for doing what he loves. Everyday was a day he didnt think he would have. Then assholes use the death to make their point. This is what sucks about our media and the cheats who lie with them.

 

[what-happened]

And your solution is to help other people lie about their vaccination status?

Those are some messed up values you have there.

I know you think we should focus on the deaths number. Daily covid deaths are above 400 now, and still doubling. Over half of that is in ex-Confederate states with few vaccinations and no mask rules.

We can revisit it next month when it crosses 1000.

Interesting choice of words. Exactly who in these ex-confederate stats are the least vaxxed?

 

[crush]

Italy

France

Greece

Spain

USA?

 

[Desert Hound]

Interesting choice of words. Exactly who in these ex-confederate stats are the least vaxxed?

I am going to take a leap on this one.

It is a group that the left says cannot reliably get IDs and any ID check is Jim Crow. And out the other side of the left's mouth they want these same people to show papers to do far more basic life activities.

Oh yeah and in the big blue cities that are reliably Dem...these same groups are unvaxxed at rather high rates.

Would demanding papers from them be like the new version of Jim Crow as well?

Anyway...

Note the progression.

2 weeks to slow the curve so the hospitals can handle the demand
A year and a half later we have a vax, deaths are on the floor, hospitals by now should be good to go...and yet Gov wants to impose more restrictions.

Give them an inch and they will take many miles.

Don't let them.

 

[dad4]

Interesting choice of words. Exactly who in these ex-confederate stats are the least vaxxed?

ex-Confederate was more accurate than “southeast.“, because you need to include Missouri but not Maryland.

Good question. And one to which you partially know the answer: non-asian minorities and Republicans.

However, if you’re planning to play the race card, adjust for SES before playing it. We already have far too many people yelling racism when none exists. The answer may be more about poverty and media consumption than ethnicity.

My point is that deaths are lower in those places with high rates of vaccination and which actually comply with mask rules. The skin color of the unvaccinated non-masked person is pretty much irrelevant. He’d be at less risk with a mask and a shot.

 

[what-happened]

ex-Confederate was more accurate than “southeast.“, because you need to include Missouri but not Maryland.

Good question. And one to which you partially know the answer: non-asian minorities and Republicans.

However, if you’re planning to play the race card, adjust for SES before playing it. We already have far too many people yelling racism when none exists. The answer may be more about poverty and media consumption than ethnicity.

My point is that deaths are lower in those places with high rates of vaccination and which actually comply with mask rules. The skin color of the unvaccinated non-masked person is pretty much irrelevant. He’d be at less risk with a mask and a shot.

Unfortunately this whole thing has been politicized. Skin color is relevant and needs to be considered when mounting a pubic health campaign. Every single person involved in public health takes this and economic status into consideration when planning for their communities. To call that effort racist and racism is just unfortunate.

To separate the vaxxed from the unvaxx and place them in political parties is not productive..But it gets great ratings ..

 

[Bruddah IZ]

 

[Grace T.]

Nate Silver's breakdown of vaccination/NPI positions in the US. It still roughly breaks down to 1/3 terrified wants restrictions, 1/3 in the middle depending how bad things get, 1/3 thinks it's over and done with. Hasn't moved much since the beginning. Interestingly the 1/3 that's terrified has a small but not insignificant block that doesn't want or can't take the vaccine and so wants the limitations in place to protect them. The 1/3 that's over with it is mostly unvaxxed but has a small but not insignificant block that is. There's absolutely nothing about this which is science driven at this point. It's irrational fear v. reckless abandonment.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1423301403649396738

 

[Desert Hound]

"Much of the pathology underlying Covid policy arises from the fantasy that it is possible to eradicate the virus."

"Humanity’s unimpressive track record of deliberately eradicating contagious diseases warns us that lockdown measures, however draconian, can’t work. Thus far, the number of such diseases so eliminated stands at two—and one of these, rinderpest, affected only even-toed ungulates. The lone human infectious disease we’ve deliberately eradicated is smallpox. The bacterium responsible for the Black Death, the 14th-century outbreak of bubonic plague, is still with us, causing infections even in the U.S."

"While the eradication of smallpox—a virus 100 times as deadly as Covid—was an impressive feat, it shouldn’t be used as a precedent for Covid. For one thing, unlike smallpox, which was carried only by humans, SARS-CoV-2 is also carried by animals, which some hypothesize can spread the disease to humans. We will need to rid ourselves of dogs, cats, mink, bats and more to get to zero."

"The only practical course is to live with the virus in the same way that we have learned to live over millennia with countless other pathogens. A focused protection policy can help us cope with the risk. There is a thousand-fold difference in the mortality and hospitalization risk posed by virus to the old relative to the young. We now have good vaccines that have helped protect vulnerable people from the ravages of Covid wherever they have been deployed. Offering the vaccine to the vulnerable everywhere, not the failed lockdowns, should be the priority to save lives.

We live with countless hazards, each of which we could but sensibly choose not to eradicate. Automobile fatalities could be eradicated by outlawing motor vehicles. Drowning could be eradicated by outlawing swimming and bathing. Electrocution could be eradicated by outlawing electricity. We live with these risks not because we’re indifferent to suffering but because we understand that the costs of zero-drowning or zero-electrocution would be far too great. The same is true of zero-Covid."

Opinion | Eradication of Covid Is a Dangerous and Expensive Fantasy

It seemed to work in New Zealand and Australia, but now ruinous, oppressive lockdowns are back.

www.wsj.com

 

[Grace T.]

"Much of the pathology underlying Covid policy arises from the fantasy that it is possible to eradicate the virus."

"Humanity’s unimpressive track record of deliberately eradicating contagious diseases warns us that lockdown measures, however draconian, can’t work. Thus far, the number of such diseases so eliminated stands at two—and one of these, rinderpest, affected only even-toed ungulates. The lone human infectious disease we’ve deliberately eradicated is smallpox. The bacterium responsible for the Black Death, the 14th-century outbreak of bubonic plague, is still with us, causing infections even in the U.S."

"While the eradication of smallpox—a virus 100 times as deadly as Covid—was an impressive feat, it shouldn’t be used as a precedent for Covid. For one thing, unlike smallpox, which was carried only by humans, SARS-CoV-2 is also carried by animals, which some hypothesize can spread the disease to humans. We will need to rid ourselves of dogs, cats, mink, bats and more to get to zero."

"The only practical course is to live with the virus in the same way that we have learned to live over millennia with countless other pathogens. A focused protection policy can help us cope with the risk. There is a thousand-fold difference in the mortality and hospitalization risk posed by virus to the old relative to the young. We now have good vaccines that have helped protect vulnerable people from the ravages of Covid wherever they have been deployed. Offering the vaccine to the vulnerable everywhere, not the failed lockdowns, should be the priority to save lives.

We live with countless hazards, each of which we could but sensibly choose not to eradicate. Automobile fatalities could be eradicated by outlawing motor vehicles. Drowning could be eradicated by outlawing swimming and bathing. Electrocution could be eradicated by outlawing electricity. We live with these risks not because we’re indifferent to suffering but because we understand that the costs of zero-drowning or zero-electrocution would be far too great. The same is true of zero-Covid."

Opinion | Eradication of Covid Is a Dangerous and Expensive Fantasy

It seemed to work in New Zealand and Australia, but now ruinous, oppressive lockdowns are back.

www.wsj.com

Yeah, there's some suspicion COVID may have crossed into dogs now. What's worse is maybe even rats (after all, bats are just mice with wings). If it's crossed into rats and they become a possible zoonotic source there's no way you are getting rid of it....ever.

Researchers Find COVID Mutations in NYC Sewage, Pointing to Possible Dog, Rat Infections

This article was originally published on Jul 29 at 4:54pm EDT by THE CITY This story is the product of a collaboration with the Documenting COVID-19 project at Columbia University’s Brown Institute for Media Innovation. A group of researchers charged by New York City with scouring human sewage...

www.nbcnewyork.com

 

[kickingandscreaming]

Note the fear they are spreading.

"Delta has now shattered that optimism. This variant, first identified in India in December, spreads faster than any previous strain of SARS-CoV-2, as the COVID-19 virus is officially named. It is driving up infection rates in every state of the U.S., prompting the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) to once again recommend universal mask-wearing.

The Delta outbreak is going to get much worse, warns Michael Osterholm, an epidemiologist who leads the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota. "

If one looks at the data and the countries that have just experienced and finished their spike in Delta one would see not the doom, but the good news. Cases rose dramatically. Deaths and hospitalizations DID NOT.

That should be GOOD news.

And yet they pretend that didn't happen and tell us to buckle up and be scared.

Michael “Chicken Little” Osterholm is still making predictions? Either he nor the publication quoting him have any shame. What a joke.

 

[Bruddah IZ]

W

ex-Confederate was more accurate than “southeast.“, because you need to include Missouri but not Maryland.

Good question. And one to which you partially know the answer: non-asian minorities and Republicans.

However, if you’re planning to play the race card, adjust for SES before playing it. We already have far too many people yelling racism when none exists. The answer may be more about poverty and media consumption than ethnicity.

My point is that deaths are lower in those places with high rates of vaccination and which actually comply with mask rules. The skin color of the unvaccinated non-masked person is pretty much irrelevant. He’d be at less risk with a mask and a shot.

Your point that deaths are lower in those places with high rates of vaccination and which actually comply with mask use rules are again ignoring how the pro-vaxx Pharma shills are hitchin' a ride on pre-infected naturally immunized folks to make inflated efficacy claims.

 

[Grace T.]

Meanwhile, Australia, if it could be imagined, is becoming more authoritarian.....

‘Barbaric’: Returning citizens who live abroad will need permission to leave Australia

The move serves as a deterrent for Australians who live abroad but may need to return home for distress travel as it could prohibit them from being able to return to their life overseas.

www.smh.com.au

 

[Desert Hound]

Meanwhile, Australia, if it could be imagined, is becoming more authoritarian.....

‘Barbaric’: Returning citizens who live abroad will need permission to leave Australia

The move serves as a deterrent for Australians who live abroad but may need to return home for distress travel as it could prohibit them from being able to return to their life overseas.

www.smh.com.au

Lots of authoritarian countries have/had rules like this. Cuba comes to mind.

From the article.

"Now, according to the government’s explanatory statement tabled in Parliament, a person will have to demonstrate to the Australian Border Force Commissioner a “compelling reason for needing to leave Australian territory”."

That should scare anyone. This is precisely why one needs to fight these seemingly "common sense" rules in the US now. Gov only goes in one direction related to power.

 

[Desert Hound]

Deeper into the article.

This is disturbing.

"Australia is alone in banning its citizens, temporary visa holders, permanent residents and dual citizens from leaving the country under the international travel ban brought in March 2020."

 

[espola]

Deeper into the article.

This is disturbing.

"Australia is alone in banning its citizens, temporary visa holders, permanent residents and dual citizens from leaving the country under the international travel ban brought in March 2020."

I thought you lived in Arizona.

 

[watfly]

I thought you lived in Arizona.

Be nice to Zonies. They hosted a lot of SoCal soccer during the Newsom lock down. Plus most of them spend part of the year in SoCal.

 

[watfly]

Nate Silver's breakdown of vaccination/NPI positions in the US. It still roughly breaks down to 1/3 terrified wants restrictions, 1/3 in the middle depending how bad things get, 1/3 thinks it's over and done with. Hasn't moved much since the beginning. Interestingly the 1/3 that's terrified has a small but not insignificant block that doesn't want or can't take the vaccine and so wants the limitations in place to protect them. The 1/3 that's over with it is mostly unvaxxed but has a small but not insignificant block that is. There's absolutely nothing about this which is science driven at this point. It's irrational fear v. reckless abandonment.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1423301403649396738

IDK, it seems to me the vast majority of Americans are pro-vax, mask ambivalent to mask skeptical (but compliant), anti-mask for children, want fully open schools and just want to live with the "risk" and move on without restriction.

I'm about to get on my 10th flight in the last week and every flight has been 100% full except for one short connection. I would think that if the general population was that worried about Covid, travel wouldn't be so swamped. Airport restaurants are also slammed with no masks while seated.

It seems there are two worlds in the US...the one portrayed by CNN and reality.

 

[Bruddah IZ]

Be nice to Zonies. They hosted a lot of SoCal soccer during the Newsom lock down. Plus most of them spend part of the year in SoCal.

They sure do. Spent a couple of weekends with them on their boat BBQ'ing and watching Big Bay Boom! Zonies have a 7 day avg. of 2,029 new cases and 15 new deaths for an IFR of .00739. California does marginally better at .00431 after being locked down and not hosting any soccer.

 

[espola]

Nate Silver's breakdown of vaccination/NPI positions in the US. It still roughly breaks down to 1/3 terrified wants restrictions, 1/3 in the middle depending how bad things get, 1/3 thinks it's over and done with. Hasn't moved much since the beginning. Interestingly the 1/3 that's terrified has a small but not insignificant block that doesn't want or can't take the vaccine and so wants the limitations in place to protect them. The 1/3 that's over with it is mostly unvaxxed but has a small but not insignificant block that is. There's absolutely nothing about this which is science driven at this point. It's irrational fear v. reckless abandonment.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1423301403649396738

Interesting. Silver says 5 groups, so you read that as 3.

That level of innumeracy pervades covid discussion.

 

[espola]

IDK, it seems to me the vast majority of Americans are pro-vax, mask ambivalent to mask skeptical (but compliant), anti-mask for children, want fully open schools and just want to live with the "risk" and move on without restriction.

I'm about to get on my 10th flight in the last week and every flight has been 100% full except for one short connection. I would think that if the general population was that worried about Covid, travel wouldn't be so swamped. Airport restaurants are also slammed with no masks while seated.

It seems there are two worlds in the US...the one portrayed by CNN and reality.

What world is CNN portraying?