Maybe my crystal ball was just working better than yours at the time.
What did your crystal ball have to say?
Maybe my crystal ball was just working better than yours at the time.
CooCooInsurance companies and their lawyers will not hold back going after someone who ignores mask or vaccination requirements and can be shown to have been the source of another person's illness. At some point not getting vaccinated is like deciding you have the right to run red lights or drive on the left side of the road because --
FREEDUMB!
That's exactly the opposite of what I proposed, but thanks for misquoting me again. Please refer back to my post regarding individual responsibility and accountability.If you don’t want ridiculous lawsuits over covid, then don’t recommend a covid policy of “hold people responsible for their actions.”
In this country, the way we hold people responsible for their actions is through the courts. So, when you say “hold each person individually responsible”, you are asking to turn public health over to the tort lawyers.
That it was nonsense. I thought we covered that already?What did your crystal ball have to say?
The pre-vax recovery rate doesn't exactly infer higher risk for corona infected and recovered folks who decline shots. On the contrary, their next exposure to Corona will easily be met with the applicable response in the absence of a vaccine that has nothing to do with Corona.If you spit in my soup or lick my hamburger when you're Covid positive then I don't have a problem with a lawsuit. Otherwise were talking about an airborne virus and you have to assume the risk of catching it, particularly if you don't get vaccinated. Life is full of risks, deal with it.
Maybe my crystal ball was just working better than yours at the time.
Yeah it's fuller of something alright.Here is a fuller context of what was said during a hearing before a Senate Subcommittee --
Redfield said if Americans wore face masks for several weeks, "we would bring this pandemic under control," because there is scientific evidence they work and they are our "best defense."
"I might even go so far as to say that this face mask is more guaranteed to protect me against COVID than when I take a COVID vaccine, because it may be 70%. And if I don't get an immune response, the vaccine is not going to protect me," Redfield said. "This face mask will."
Several experts contacted by CBS News agree with that assessment: Since vaccines do not guarantee an immune response, masks may be more effective at preventing COVID-19. The FDA has previously said it would approve a coronavirus vaccine that was at least 50% effective. While that could significantly reduce the number of hospitalizations and deaths, it would not completely eliminate the disease or guarantee protection.
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CDC director says face masks may offer more protection against COVID than a vaccine. Here's what other experts say.
Health experts point out that we don't yet know how effective a vaccine will be – but we do know masks help stop the spread.www.cbsnews.com
And that was last September, after the big summer rush of cases, when the unmasked-in chief was still predicting it would all be over in a few weeks.
Read your answer.Simple concept. If grandma or any adult is concerned about getting sick from kids or anyone outside their family, then limit your exposure or do it only fully masked. Masks work right? Or if your concerned about getting it from school children, then don't send your kids to school. If you get sick then you have just been held accountable for your actions and don't play the victim card. Maybe personal responsibility is a better word. Worry about your own behavior, and less the behavior of others. Like I've said many times your behavior, and not the behavior or others, overwhelming impacts whether you get Covid (a car accident probably less so). Your approach is "I don't want to be a victim, so please government control the behavior of others". That's a selfish mentality.
A bit of an oversimplification and not exactly the words I would use, but yes, for the most part that's my position. I'd make an exception for intentionally infecting someone, and maybe for gross recklessness. Simply hosting an event or holding class with or without restrictions wouldn't qualify. That's the great thing about choice. You can choose to attend or not. You can choose to stay 6 ft away, etc.You bring up “personal responsiblility”, but the only person you’re willing to hold responsible is the one who is dead from covid.
Assuming they died since there is a 97+% survival rate.Read your answer.
You never actually explain how you will hold someone accountable if they hold an event which results in other people dying of covid.
You bring up “personal responsiblility”, but the only person you’re willing to hold responsible is the one who is dead from covid.
Ah. Most of us use the phrase to mean that if I cause harm to you, then I should be held responsible for my actions.A bit of an oversimplification and not exactly the words I would use, but yes, for the most part that's my position. I'd make an exception for intentionally infecting someone, and maybe for gross recklessness. Simply hosting an event or holding class with or without restrictions wouldn't qualify. That's the great thing about choice. You can choose to attend or not. You can choose to stay 6 ft away, etc.
I was raised with personal responsibility being "don't blame others for the outcome of your choices". Own your choices. If that makes me weird, so be it.Ah. Most of us use the phrase to mean that if I cause harm to you, then I should be held responsible for my actions.
Kind of a weird twist if "personal responsibility" means that you are being held responsible for something I did.
From the Tower of babbleAh. Most of us use the phrase to mean that if I cause harm to you, then I should be held responsible for my actions.
Kind of a weird twist if "personal responsibility" means that you are being held responsible for something I did.
You are asking for everyone else to ignore whether your choice is harming others. Then you go on to blame them for being selfish, and pat yourself on the back for your supposed “personal responsibility”.I was raised with personal responsibility being "don't blame others for the outcome of your choices". Own your choices. If that makes me weird, so be it.
Exactly. If you don't feel safe going to a bar, on a cruise, going to a concert don't go.I was raised with personal responsibility being "don't blame others for the outcome of your choices". Own your choices. If that makes me weird, so be it.
You’ve got the whole notion of personal responsibility backwards. It is meant to be about each of us taking ownership of the consequances of our actions. It doesn’t mean I get to do whatever the hell I want, and then blame others for having the nerve to get in my way.
If he didn't mischaracterize others' comments he would have nothing to debate.Really? Is the above any different than what Watfly said? I guess you could interpret his words as you stated. I happen to think the intent was the same as what you said. Then again I may be misinterpreting you.