Bad News Thread

Your contributions to the thread were so predictable that I had you on mechanical ignore for a while, but that also blocked your contributions to other threads, such as questions on the rules and referee behavior where you actually have some relevant experience.
Speaking of predictable and fragile too. I see where Huspola gets it from now.
 
Your contributions to the thread were so predictable that I had you on mechanical ignore for a while, but that also blocked your contributions to other threads, such as questions on the rules and referee behavior where you actually have some relevant experience.

You are welcome to go back on ignore. You are the only person around here more than dad4 and myself filled with a greater sense of self-importance, yet much less deservedly so based on your past contributions.
 
Why do you engage Espola and Dad4? You know the two are the same, as was EOTL. Dom knows what's up. These two are the last of the losers who are only here to sow hate and division. Dudes don't care about any small biz, kids life or others for that matter. Karma is coming hard for those who steal life from others. Breathing at with machines and medication will cause some to choke in their sleep. All their fears will come true.

I like dad4. I had a hard time figuring him out though. At first I thought it was risk aversion, introversion and the teaching background...maybe he was just really frightened. Then I thought maybe he's just blue pilling. Then that he was a true believer policy advocate. Then a hard core liberal D (but his trans position disavowed me of that notion). Then back to maybe he's just an ivory tower professor blue pilling it in math world. Then the clouds burst and I got it: he's a preacher. He doesn't really care about the policy outcome (or he'd articulate it) and he's not an advocate (because he does question his own stuff and just sticks to lose principles rather than hard core policy prescriptions)....he's a preacher and cares more about whether we behave good and morally than anything else.

As for espola, he amuses me. EOTL (for attacking my kids) and Sheriff Joe (for racism) are the only 2 I've every blocked.
 
More guesses?
You live a sheltered life. You think printing trillions doesn't do anything?

"Inflation is soaring in the United States and at a higher rate than analysts predicted. In April 2021, the consumer price index saw a 4.3 percent jump, the fastest increase since 2008"

So no... not guesses.
 
You are welcome to go back on ignore. You are the only person around here more than dad4 and myself filled with a greater sense of self-importance, yet much less deservedly so based on your past contributions.

I must admit that my attempts at educating you have failed.
 
Why do you need a cloth mask outside on the beach when the transmission outdoors is less than 1%? Unless you are hanging out in line with a buddy that's sick and have been speaking with them for a while, there's no reason for it. The mask does nothing in either case for reducing cases. Same with a factory, because people after a long day are going to socialize. Same with a meat packing plant, because they are stuck together for so long in close quarters and have to talk loudly to be heard. Same with a fishing boat or stable where people sleep on site. Same with residences, where the vast majority of transmissions occur. Same with indoor dining or a movie theatre, where people are going to lower their masks to eat.

Where can they help? Short term exposures like grocery stores and doctor's waiting rooms....not exactly the essential workers they were trying to be assuring for. Or, as you pointed out, greeting a friend quickly less than 6 feet apart or walking side by side, or at the McDonald's drive thru. But the universe of what they can help is very limited. Hence, my guess is that they probably contributed to maybe an overall reduction of 5-15% of cases which otherwise would have happened. Just a guess, but I think it's a pretty good ballpark for what masks alone (not coupled with the moving goalpost of distancing) ends up.
You need the cloth mask while you are in the ice cream line, because while in line you are close to other people.

You do not need a mask while sitting down watching the surf, because you are not near other people.

Remember the video you sent out? With no mask, your breath goes out several feet, possibly infecting other people. If you wear a mask, it doesn't.

You keep searching for the absolute minimum you can do. Why not just wear the mask near other people, then watch the waves with your ice cream? It's as though you are afraid to wear a mask 30 seconds longer than absolutely necessary.
 
I must admit that my attempts at educating you have failed.

Haha....given the teachers I've had over the years, both formal and informal, your statement is probably one of the more arrogant ones I've heard in a while....as I was saying the only guy more than dad4 or I with a bigger sense of self-importance and who even has his own neighborhood, yet never less richly deserved.
 
You need the cloth mask while you are in the ice cream line, because while in line you are close to other people.

You do not need a mask while sitting down watching the surf, because you are not near other people.

Remember the video you sent out? With no mask, your breath goes out several feet, possibly infecting other people. If you wear a mask, it doesn't.

You keep searching for the absolute minimum you can do. Why not just wear the mask near other people, then watch the waves with your ice cream? It's as though you are afraid to wear a mask 30 seconds longer than absolutely necessary.

Speaking of the beach, remember these guys?

 
You need the cloth mask while you are in the ice cream line, because while in line you are close to other people.

You do not need a mask while sitting down watching the surf, because you are not near other people.

Remember the video you sent out? With no mask, your breath goes out several feet, possibly infecting other people. If you wear a mask, it doesn't.

You keep searching for the absolute minimum you can do. Why not just wear the mask near other people, then watch the waves with your ice cream? It's as though you are afraid to wear a mask 30 seconds longer than absolutely necessary.

Because of the length of exposure is what all of 3-4 minutes? In the ice cream line, outdoors, 6 feet marked on the pavement no thanks. Bit of overkill. It would also undermine the argument for outdoor dining. Not necessary. But maybe taking a half hour walk side by side with a buddy that's not feeling well while eating an ice cream cone that's probably not a good idea even if outdoors.
 
Why do you need a cloth mask outside on the beach when the transmission outdoors is less than 1%? Unless you are hanging out in line with a buddy that's sick and have been speaking with them for a while, there's no reason for it. The mask does nothing in either case for reducing cases. Same with a factory, because people after a long day are going to socialize. Same with a meat packing plant, because they are stuck together for so long in close quarters and have to talk loudly to be heard. Same with a fishing boat or stable where people sleep on site. Same with residences, where the vast majority of transmissions occur. Same with indoor dining or a movie theatre, where people are going to lower their masks to eat.

Where can they help? Short term exposures like grocery stores and doctor's waiting rooms....not exactly the essential workers they were trying to be assuring for. Or, as you pointed out, greeting a friend quickly less than 6 feet apart or walking side by side, or at the McDonald's drive thru. But the universe of what they can help is very limited. Hence, my guess is that they probably contributed to maybe an overall reduction of 5-15% of cases which otherwise would have happened. Just a guess, but I think it's a pretty good ballpark for what masks alone (not coupled with the moving goalpost of distancing) ends up.
With respect to factories, you should have an N95, good ventilation, and take your beaks outside.

Half of the things you mentioned are things we should not be doing. You get a low estimate because you assume we socialize indoors: dinner parties, movie theaters, and do on.

Assume we socialize outdoors. It helps.
 
With respect to factories, you should have an N95, good ventilation, and take your beaks outside.

Half of the things you mentioned are things we should not be doing. You get a low estimate because you assume we socialize indoors: dinner parties, movie theaters, and do on.

Assume we socialize outdoors. It helps.

Then you have a counting problem. It's not the masks helping then but the shutdown of that stuff. Those don't count as masks unless you can do them with masks.

With respect to the factories, if you make workers work, they are going to socialize. They aren't robots. Don't you remember Tom Cruise's rant against his crew?

But again, you don't care about the actual real world because you are just preaching. You just want everyone to be virtuous, not who they really are (which would be policy)
 
Haha....given the teachers I've had over the years, both formal and informal, your statement is probably one of the more arrogant ones I've heard in a while....as I was saying the only guy more than dad4 or I with a bigger sense of self-importance and who even has his own neighborhood, yet never less richly deserved.
He's so gross Grace.
 
Ok now stand in a field outside 18 yard from someone smoking. Can you smell it even in the open air? If so with aerosolized particles the holes (especially on the side of the mask) aren’t doing much to keep you protected and while stopping you from directly blowing in someone’s face are still filling up a poorly circulated room with virus particles.

more interesting (kids just did this for a science experiment in middle school btw) take a cherry throat lozenge, put a mask on, stand six feet away from someone, put a mask on yourself. Can you smell it?
Yeah, you just raised your hand! I thought you said you were educated or something like that?
 
Then you have a counting problem. It's not the masks helping then but the shutdown of that stuff. Those don't count as masks unless you can do them with masks.

With respect to the factories, if you make workers work, they are going to socialize. They aren't robots. Don't you remember Tom Cruise's rant against his crew?

But again, you don't care about the actual real world because you are just preaching. You just want everyone to be virtuous, not who they really are (which would be policy)
Why do you assume socialize = indoors?

You live in socal. You claim to have spent the last 11 months never meeting anyone indoors. But your examples are indoors: dinner parties and movies.

Shouldn't your socialization examples be the things you say you've been doing? Beach, bocce, surfing, hoops, volleyball, tennis, flower gardens, and so on. All the fun things from the big room with the blue ceiling.
 
This one pretty much sums up the anti-mask theories.


Hard to see who the bigger idiots are. The theories of the antimaskers, or maybe the people insisting everyone needs to wear masks outdoors even if riding a bike alone.
Why do you assume socialize = indoors?

You live in socal. You claim to have spent the last 11 months never meeting anyone indoors. But your examples are indoors: dinner parties and movies.

Shouldn't your socialization examples be the things you say you've been doing? Beach, bocce, surfing, hoops, volleyball, tennis, flower gardens, and so on. All the fun things from the big room with the blue ceiling.
because I accept people for what they are. I know they aren’t me (that did a better job with the indoor thing than even you because I’m scary disciplined...my father would throw fits if we were 5 minutes late to any function and would leave my mother if she wasn’t ready for a function when she said she would be). I’m not preaching to them that they should be angels. I’m analyzing policy impact based on the fact they are humans not robots.
 
Hard to see who the bigger idiots are. The theories of the antimaskers, or maybe the people insisting everyone needs to wear masks outdoors even if riding a bike alone.

because I accept people for what they are. I know they aren’t me (that did a better job with the indoor thing than even you because I’m scary disciplined...my father would throw fits if we were 5 minutes late to any function and would leave my mother if she wasn’t ready for a function when she said she would be). I’m not preaching to them that they should be angels. I’m analyzing policy impact based on the fact they are humans not robots.

Carbon monoxide, 5G towers, muzzle, you're going to hell, all a hoax, want a piece of me, fuck you, etc opposed to "Want a free mask?"
 
N95s are designed for short periods of time. They are not designed to be worn for hours at a time.

"A key consideration for safe extended use is that the respirator must maintain its fit and function. Workers in other industries routinely use N95 respirators for several hours uninterrupted. Experience in these settings indicates that respirators can function within their design specifications for 8 hours of continuous or intermittent use. "

 
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