Nor Cal Return to Play

[dad4]

Haven't informal games been going on at parks for months now in SC County without masks? Having a point doesn't appear to be a consideration.

Informal games, for all we knew in July, could have been adding to community transmission. There is no good data collection at an informal game, so those games didn't prove much.

However, we have data from the pro leagues. They have excellent data collection. Outdoor on field transmission is minor. Parties are major. Therefore, play your game, but keep it local and do not hold an indoor team party.

 

[happy9]

Theatre much? I know that most on here are much smarter than me and have put you on ignore...but this one is funny.

What I don't understand is why is everyone a trumpanzee?? That doesn't even make sense.
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Trump supporters I suppose. Loving and inclusive.

 

[happy9]

Y’all are such whiners. It is seriously pathetic how sad people are who claim that wearing a mask during sports is too hard for them. If they don’t have underlying health problems, a kid can wear a mask. Can anyone identify a single person in the world who has ever died because they exercised wearing a mask? Just one? Anyone?

Your drama is on point.

Wearing a mask during sports is dumb. It makes for great theater and people abide by the requirement so they can play. But it's still dumb. Dumb policy makers have a right to be dumb and dramatic. Have you watched a sporting event with masked players? It's sooo dumb and senseless. Even a trumpanzee could figure out that wearing a mask while playing a game outside is the dumbest thing in the world. COVID theatre for all to see. I'm surprised swimmers aren't wearing them.

 

[happy9]

Who said we the parents are fearful of masks? We mask up everytime we're in public, and my kids wear them at school no issues- I'm strictly talking about wearing them during heavy exertion. All us parents were in masks during the game last week, no questions asked.

Adult, rational, articulate conversation will not work.

 

[crush]

This is my last day EOTL. You win bro. I have zero time for this anymore. I will finish with some blasts before i leave for good. When my wife says it's time to stop, then It's time. Threats are real. The City of Claremont is going way over board with mask BS. I went to meet old dear religous friend of mine at a hotel yesterday. I was in the lobby drinking alone and the head hotel dude went ape shit on me for having my mask below my lips so I can sip my drink. This dude was way over 300 lbs. No one around me. No one and dude told me to pull it up or get out. I told him he was a scared little baby and I will leave and take my business to Pomona, which I did.......

Guess what you guys, I got the most heartfelt apology from an adversary. I kid you not. My heart was so moved. Thank you kind sir. I wont share who it came from but it made my morning. I also got many positive PMs that are asking me stay longer. I spoke to my wife and she said it's ok because of the "I'm sorry and I was wrong about you" PM moved her as well. I will try again and I will work on being nicer too

 

[EOTL]

Your drama is on point.

Wearing a mask during sports is dumb. It makes for great theater and people abide by the requirement so they can play. But it's still dumb. Dumb policy makers have a right to be dumb and dramatic. Have you watched a sporting event with masked players? It's sooo dumb and senseless. Even a trumpanzee could figure out that wearing a mask while playing a game outside is the dumbest thing in the world. COVID theatre for all to see. I'm surprised swimmers aren't wearing them.

I am 100% certain that the American Association of Pediatrics is right and you’re an idiot. This isn’t even debatable. The only thing that is debatable here is how stupid you must be to flat out deny the advice and recommendations of the foremost experts in the subject in the U.S. in favor of an organization that claims there was a tunnel between a pizza parlor and the WH to traffic children for Obama to eat.

 

[happy9]

I am 100% certain that the American Association of Pediatrics is right and you’re an idiot. This isn’t even debatable. The only thing that is debatable here is how stupid you must be to flat out deny the advice and recommendations of the foremost experts in the subject in the U.S. in favor of an organization that claims there was a tunnel between a pizza parlor and the WH to traffic children for Obama to eat.

Touchy, touchy. Relax, it's thursday.

You may go on bended knee to stuff like this but it's obvious that most/many will not. Common sense has a way of rising to the top. Why does the AAP not recommend masking for wrestling? Isn't that weird? Or competition cheer? Where is the consistency? Where is your link to a study conducted by anyone that proves masking on any field of play is an effective method to limit spread? I'll check back after lunch. If there is a data, I sincerely would like to see it.

As far as pizza parlors and tunnels - what are you talking about? Why do you always have to display such theatre?

 

[tjsoccer]

Hold on a second. So should we be listening to the American Association of Pediatrics (wear masks) or magat soccer parents (wearing masks is so dumb it is impossible to spread covid on a soccer field, the foremost organization for youth health in the US is a bunch of liars who don’t know what they’re talking about, everyone should listen to anonymous douches on a soccer website that youth are impervious to covid so long as they are on a soccer field, pediatric doctors are such sheep but anti-vaxxers are very wise to agree to whatever Jenny McCarthy says).

My point is that the guidance is vague and doesn't give us anything concrete...."as tolerated", "athletes should be encouraged", "may not be necessary", "shown to be well tolerated", "may need to be removed"

For my kid, soccer just isn't that big of a deal. If masks are required, the game will be skipped and something else will take its place. Just takes a click of a button in teamsnap and a red X comes up. Super easy. No political statement is needed. No negativity is required.

The whole point in wearing a mask is to help the vulnerable people. Helping an elderly person get a shot scheduled and get to their appointment is much more effective than having your kid play soccer with a mask on.

 

[dad4]

I don’t think the masks on field are a big deal. We will wear them, and not go looking for excuses not to.

I also don’t get EOTL’s vehemence on this. The big transmission risks are the hotel, the team dinner, the carpool, the birthday party, and the sleepovers.

Let’s focus on those, and not waste energy worrying about an outdoor mask rule that does relatively little good and relatively little harm.

 

[EOTL]

My point is that the guidance is vague and doesn't give us anything concrete...."as tolerated", "athletes should be encouraged", "may not be necessary", "shown to be well tolerated", "may need to be removed"

For my kid, soccer just isn't that big of a deal. If masks are required, the game will be skipped and something else will take its place. Just takes a click of a button in teamsnap and a red X comes up. Super easy. No political statement is needed. No negativity is required.

The whole point in wearing a mask is to help the vulnerable people. Helping an elderly person get a shot scheduled and get to their appointment is much more effective than having your kid play soccer with a mask on.

There is nothing vague about their recommendation to wear a mask during competitive sports. When you claim that it may not be necessary, you leave out the remainder of their advice in which they reference golf and tennis because they do not involve close contact, or (much to the complete obliteration of @happy9’s passive aggressive comment) swimming because that would actually be dangerous. Furthermore, when they refer to “shown to be well tolerated”, that isn’t even a caveat, that is just a polite way of saying the obvious that whiners who live in fear of wearing a mask during competitive sports are hypochondriac losers unless they have a health condition that might make it dangerous.

And yes, a mask may need to be removed if, in that one in a million chance someone is having a hard time breathing or, if as also specified bu the AAP, you’re playing in significant heat. Did you really expect the AAP to issue a bright line “you must always wear masks all the time even if you’re going to pass out?” That would be irresponsible and inappropriate because, as much as you would like to believe that there can be a one size fits all approach here, the nature of the pandemic does not allow for that.

The AAP laid out in great detail its position (wear masks) as well as the important exceptions. There is absolutely zero vagueness as it relates to youth soccer, you are only making up excuses to not follow them and encouraging others not to also.

 

[EOTL]

I don’t think the masks on field are a big deal. We will wear them, and not go looking for excuses not to.

I also don’t get EOTL’s vehemence on this. The big transmission risks are the hotel, the team dinner, the carpool, the birthday party, and the sleepovers.

Let’s focus on those, and not waste energy worrying about an outdoor mask rule that does relatively little good and relatively little harm.

You mean you don’t get the American Association of Pediatrics’ vehemence on this? What I don’t get is how willing people are to simply deny the recommendations of the most knowledgeable, most respected, and most expert association on children’s health in the U.S. My feelings on this are not the least bit controversial. I’m just pointing out what the foremost experts in our country say we should do, and how crazy people are to flat out deny their advice in favor of people like @crush, who put his daughter in track to go pro after HS when she was 10 and refuses to get vaccinated because Jenny McCarthy tells him it’s not safe. It is absolutely incomprehensible how stupid these trumpanzees are.

This thread is particularly great in that the magats started mocking the idea of wearing masks before they realized that the AAP supports it. That left the trumpanzees with the choice of either doubling down against the advice of the foremost experts in the field, or admitting they are wrong. So, of course they choose the former, because they are constantly living in fear (of being wrong). This is how magats operate. They’d rather say bats**t crazy nonsense than admit they were wrong.

 

[Kicker4Life]

You mean you don’t get the American Association of Pediatrics’ vehemence on this? What I don’t get is how willing people are to simply deny the recommendations of the most knowledgeable, most respected, and most expert association on children’s health in the U.S. My feelings on this are not the least bit controversial. I’m just pointing out what the foremost experts in our country say we should do, and how crazy people are to flat out deny their advice in favor of people like @crush, who put his daughter in track to go pro after HS when she was 10 and refuses to get vaccinated because Jenny McCarthy tells him it’s not safe. It is absolutely incomprehensible how stupid these trumpanzees are.

This thread is particularly great in that the magats started mocking the idea of wearing masks before they realized that the AAP supports it. That left the trumpanzees with the choice of either doubling down against the advice of the foremost experts in the field, or admitting they are wrong. So, of course they choose the former, because they are constantly living in fear (of being wrong). This is how magats operate. They’d rather say bats**t crazy nonsense than admit they were wrong.

No....we just mock you!

#fishinabarrel

 

[crush]

I’m just pointing out what the foremost experts in our country say we should do, and how crazy people are to flat out deny their advice in favor of people like @crush, who put his daughter in track to go pro after HS when she was 10 and refuses to get vaccinated because Jenny McCarthy tells him it’s not safe. It is absolutely incomprehensible how stupid these trumpanzees are.

This thread is particularly great in that the magats started mocking the idea of wearing masks before they realized that the AAP supports it. That left the trumpanzees with the choice of either doubling down against the advice of the foremost experts in the field, or admitting they are wrong. So, of course they choose the former, because they are constantly living in fear (of being wrong). This is how magats operate. They’d rather say bats**t crazy nonsense than admit they were wrong.

You write just like the man who threaten me the other day. I hope it's not you dude. Anyway, Crush and his wife have the right to, "just say no." My dd is free to do whatever she wants. You were 100% wrong about that leader in NY, right?

 

[crush]

EOTL is now Sea Bass......lol!!!

 

[EOTL]

You write just like the man who threaten me the other day. I hope it's not you dude. Anyway, Crush and his wife have the right to, "just say no." My dd is free to do whatever she wants. You were 100% wrong about that leader in NY, right?

I’m the bartender now? I thought I was the homeless guy hanging out at the public library in Seattle with no kids.

I wasn’t wrong Cuomo, not even close. In hindsight, he made a wrong decision about whether to send people in the hospital who didn’t need to be there and lived in rest homes back because he was worried that NYC hospitals would be overwhelmed if they stayed, and he over-estimated the abilities of most rest homes to keep them safe. As it turned out, he was wrong about the hospitals being overwhelmed, but that was hardly a given, and his best guess was reasonable even with the benefit of hindsight given that Covid did in fact overwhelm a lot of hospitals in other regions later on. His wrong decision was not unreasonable at the time given that no one knew at the time how dangerous it was, how it was spread (remember everyone disinfecting surfaced and door knobs?), or even that younger people were low risk of death. I’ve never claimed that the decision wad wrong with the benefit of hindsight, only that it wasn’t unreasonable at the time given the lack of knowledge about Covid, something which was unquestionably the fault of the magat-in-chief, who told y’all that injecting bleach in your lungs and sunshine up your ass would clear everything up straightaway. Trumpanzees keep pointing to Cuomo’s wrong, but not unreasonable, decision at the time because that’s better than discussing their hero Cadet Bonespurs claiming: (1) only 12 people have covid and soon it will be zero; (2) don’t wear masks; (3) it will go away like a miracle when the weather warms up; (4) it’s a hoax; (5) injecting bleach into your lungs will take care of it, as will shooting sunshine up your ass; (6) it will all disappear after the election; (7) there will be a vaccine by October; (8) there will be a vaccine by the election; (9) it’s all Obama’s fault.

You’re doing the classic magat thing, which is to find some flaw in someone that is irrelevant to the issue as a distraction. Did Cuomo behave improperly with female staff? Probably, but that has nothing to do with covid, let alone the reason I defended him. Did Cuomo knowingly attribute people dying of covid in rest homes to hospitals? Maybe, but we don’t know that yet. Regardless, it still doesn’t make his initial decision to send old people who didn’t need to be in the hospital at the time back to nursing homes given what was known about covid at the time. And more importantly, if he did that, it is not something I defended.

So is your kid going NWSL draft out of HS, or PSG?

 

[EOTL]

You write just like the man who threaten me the other day. I hope it's not you dude. Anyway, Crush and his wife have the right to, "just say no." My dd is free to do whatever she wants. You were 100% wrong about that leader in NY, right?

Let me get this straight. The American Association of Pediatrics is wrong and just a bunch of idiots because the governor of NY made a bad decision? So therefore we should listen to Jenny McCarthy? Is that what you’re saying?

 

[EOTL]

One more fun point. Conceivably it might make sense to let kids who have real health issues like asthma play without a mask while others continue to do so. The problem with that approach, as shown by the videos of one Karen after the next whining about fake health problems as they demand entry into Costcos all over the country, is that most of the people who complain are just lying trumpanzees who would gladly deprive everyone around them of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness (mostly life) in exchange for not having to deal with the slight inconvenience of wearing a mask.

If your child has legit asthma and therefore cannot play because wearing a mask is unsafe, you should be upset at all the magaty Karens who ruined it for you.

 

[dad4]

You mean you don’t get the American Association of Pediatrics’ vehemence on this? What I don’t get is how willing people are to simply deny the recommendations of the most knowledgeable, most respected, and most expert association on children’s health in the U.S. My feelings on this are not the least bit controversial. I’m just pointing out what the foremost experts in our country say we should do, and how crazy people are to flat out deny their advice in favor of people like @crush, who put his daughter in track to go pro after HS when she was 10 and refuses to get vaccinated because Jenny McCarthy tells him it’s not safe. It is absolutely incomprehensible how stupid these trumpanzees are.

This thread is particularly great in that the magats started mocking the idea of wearing masks before they realized that the AAP supports it. That left the trumpanzees with the choice of either doubling down against the advice of the foremost experts in the field, or admitting they are wrong. So, of course they choose the former, because they are constantly living in fear (of being wrong). This is how magats operate. They’d rather say bats**t crazy nonsense than admit they were wrong.

I see AAP as more overprotective than vehement. Nor are pediatricians experts in this case. The experts are the epidemiologists.

You’ve apparently forgotten the wave of right wing videos that would find an anti-mask GP or paramedic somewhere and pretend that he knew something about regional disease transmission. The rule then, as now, is that doctors are not qualified as epidemiologists.

If you have a link to a study showing outdoor transmission, post the link. It doesn’t have to be soccer. Any sport will do. A study in a non sports setting will do. The only thing I would find irrelevant is something like a bar or outdoor casino, where people are spending a long time talking very close to each other. If there is a peer reviewed study of outdoor transmission, I would genuinely find it useful.

Until then I see no reason to focus on tiny things, like on field masks, at the expense of big things, like overnight trips and restaurants.

 

[crush]

I’m the bartender now? I thought I was the homeless guy hanging out at the public library in Seattle with no kids.

I wasn’t wrong Cuomo, not even close. In hindsight, he made a wrong decision about whether to send people in the hospital who didn’t need to be there and lived in rest homes back because he was worried that NYC hospitals would be overwhelmed if they stayed, and he over-estimated the abilities of most rest homes to keep them safe. As it turned out, he was wrong about the hospitals being overwhelmed, but that was hardly a given, and his best guess was reasonable even with the benefit of hindsight given that Covid did in fact overwhelm a lot of hospitals in other regions later on. His wrong decision was not unreasonable at the time given that no one knew at the time how dangerous it was, how it was spread (remember everyone disinfecting surfaced and door knobs?), or even that younger people were low risk of death. I’ve never claimed that the decision wad wrong with the benefit of hindsight, only that it wasn’t unreasonable at the time given the lack of knowledge about Covid, something which was unquestionably the fault of the magat-in-chief, who told y’all that injecting bleach in your lungs and sunshine up your ass would clear everything up straightaway. Trumpanzees keep pointing to Cuomo’s wrong, but not unreasonable, decision at the time because that’s better than discussing their hero Cadet Bonespurs claiming: (1) only 12 people have covid and soon it will be zero; (2) don’t wear masks; (3) it will go away like a miracle when the weather warms up; (4) it’s a hoax; (5) injecting bleach into your lungs will take care of it, as will shooting sunshine up your ass; (6) it will all disappear after the election; (7) there will be a vaccine by October; (8) there will be a vaccine by the election; (9) it’s all Obama’s fault.

You’re doing the classic magat thing, which is to find some flaw in someone that is irrelevant to the issue as a distraction. Did Cuomo behave improperly with female staff? Probably, but that has nothing to do with covid, let alone the reason I defended him. Did Cuomo knowingly attribute people dying of covid in rest homes to hospitals? Maybe, but we don’t know that yet. Regardless, it still doesn’t make his initial decision to send old people who didn’t need to be in the hospital at the time back to nursing homes given what was known about covid at the time. And more importantly, if he did that, it is not something I defended.

So is your kid going NWSL draft out of HS, or PSG?

Ok, that was interesting . The best part was your last question. The family today only worries about today EOTL. She is getting ready to play two games this weekend and hope she can help her team make Champions Playoffs in the hardest conference in ECNL. That's all we got for now.

 

[EOTL]

I see AAP as more overprotective than vehement. Nor are pediatricians experts in this case. The experts are the epidemiologists.

You’ve apparently forgotten the wave of right wing videos that would find an anti-mask GP or paramedic somewhere and pretend that he knew something about regional disease transmission. The rule then, as now, is that doctors are not qualified as epidemiologists.

If you have a link to a study showing outdoor transmission, post the link. It doesn’t have to be soccer. Any sport will do. A study in a non sports setting will do. The only thing I would find irrelevant is something like a bar or outdoor casino, where people are spending a long time talking very close to each other. If there is a peer reviewed study of outdoor transmission, I would genuinely find it useful.

Until then I see no reason to focus on tiny things, like on field masks, at the expense of big things, like overnight trips and restaurants.

I see. So you want our country to disregard the advice of the foremost authority on children’s health because you decided they are “overprotective”? In other words, you’re just going to ignore the most authoritative advice on an issue for no other reason than you don’t want to follow it.

There are many studies that verify that covid is spread outdoors. They almost uniformly say that it is spread at a much lower rate than indoors, which trumpanzees use to misrepresent that it doesn’t spread outdoors. You can google just as well as anyone else, but deny reality and truth much more readily than most. Enjoy the mask wearing in NorCal!

 

[EOTL]

I’m not surprised that SoCal soccer magats hate pediatricians so much given how much they hate teachers, and also how much pediatricians disagree with Jenny McCarthy as it relates to children’s health.

Who will they hate next, I mean besides those loser sucker veterans who were captured or killed?