President Joe Biden

espola said:
I think your last sentence's structure is confusing, but not coocoo or nonsense.

As for G's implications of me being a racist -- she has so far refused to retract and apologize, instead just piling on more unfounded accusations.
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I never accused you of being a racist Magoo. No one would seriously believe that about you. The first was a quip that went totally over your head (because you are so lost and confused)...on a meta level it was a comment about how in our society it's acceptable right now to criticize Antifa but not BLM (hence those of us that conflate leftist violence, hoping to avoid a discussion about racism, just blame Antifa).

The second was a question to you. Do you honestly think this guys jokes about reprogramming the children of Republicans are funny or acceptable. Would you feel the same way about someone making a polish joke, or a Mexican joke? Are those acceptable just because they are "jokes".

I know all this is hard for you to wrap your head around....
 
espola said:
I'm just suggesting corrections to your obvious errors. At one point I had to quote the First Amendment, which you don't have to have a specialty on Constitutional law to understand -- it's plain English.
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Now you are a liar. You know you've been needling me for ever. Everyone here that's seen it knows it. Either you really are Magoo and don't know better, or your just a horrible horrible person. Take your pick.
 
Grace T. said:
Oh with me he's done a lot worse....it's the constant needling from not self-aware, so called Con law expert, the clients remark, the constant nonsense, the unhinged. He's clearly been trolling me. In the current thread it actually started with him mocking me for claiming I was a con law expert but making a mistake about the amount needed to remove a rep. I owned up to the error, but asked him not to mischaracterize me as claiming I was a con law expert (which was clearly intended to belittle me). He didn't take the off ramp and doubled down instead claiming I didn't even know the basics.

If he apologizes for that, I'm more than happy to apologize right back and let it go.
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If you stop making errors and unfounded accusations, I'll stop pointing them out.
 
Grace T. said:
I never accused you of being a racist Magoo. No one would seriously believe that about you. The first was a quip that went totally over your head (because you are so lost and confused)...on a meta level it was a comment about how in our society it's acceptable right now to criticize Antifa but not BLM (hence those of us that conflate leftist violence, hoping to avoid a discussion about racism, just blame Antifa).

The second was a question to you. Do you honestly think this guys jokes about reprogramming the children of Republicans are funny or acceptable. Would you feel the same way about someone making a polish joke, or a Mexican joke? Are those acceptable just because they are "jokes".

I know all this is hard for you to wrap your head around....
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Your denial of your race-mongering intent would hold water better if your following comments had not attempted to reinforce them.

I didn't say I agreed with those guys. I said I didn't take them seriously.

And then you depart with another unfounded insult.
 
espola said:
Your denial of your race-mongering intent would hold water better if your following comments had not attempted to reinforce them.

I didn't say I agreed with those guys. I said I didn't take them seriously.

And then you depart with another unfounded insult.
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Many you really have no clue, do you.
 
Grace T. said:
Now you are a liar. You know you've been needling me for ever. Everyone here that's seen it knows it. Either you really are Magoo and don't know better, or your just a horrible horrible person. Take your pick.
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Needling? Is that it? You don't like having your opinions debated?

There is no reason for anyone to think that I am a "horrible horrible person" (Grammarly is suggesting a comma in there, but it's a quote).
 
espola said:
Needling? Is that it? You don't like having your opinions debated?

There is no reason for anyone to think that I am a "horrible horrible person" (Grammarly is suggesting a comma in there, but it's a quote).
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There's the debate on the issues which I'm happy to have with you (and as I said from time to time you raise decent points). But you are dismissive, and treat people here with a lack of decency. A person who wants to have an opinion debated doesn't dismiss people with "nonsense" and "cuckoo". A person who wants to have an honest exchange doesn't belittle others. You can't even help yourself with the grammarly stuff. You know what you are doing, I know what you are doing, we all know what you are doing. You aren't interested in honest debate, so here we are.

That said, if you are willing to try harder, always happy to meet you half way. My hand's extended, you just have to take it.
 
Grace T. said:
There's the debate on the issues which I'm happy to have with you (and as I said from time to time you raise decent points). But you are dismissive, and treat people here with a lack of decency. A person who wants to have an opinion debated doesn't dismiss people with "nonsense" and "cuckoo". A person who wants to have an honest exchange doesn't belittle others. You can't even help yourself with the grammarly stuff. You know what you are doing, I know what you are doing, we all know what you are doing. You aren't interested in honest debate, so here we are.

That said, if you are willing to try harder, always happy to meet you half way. My hand's extended, you just have to take it.
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Why half way? I see no reason to retract anything I have posted here.

"try harder"? - just can't help yourself.
 
espola said:
Why half way? I see no reason to retract anything I have posted here.

"try harder"? - just can't help yourself.
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So you just want an apology (for something which you couldn't even comprehend), and for me to say I'm wrong, without one from you for your constant needling dismissiveness, without a change to act any better or reform at all? No thanks Magoo troll.
 
Grace T. said:
So you just want an apology (for something which you couldn't even comprehend), and for me to say I'm wrong, without one from you for your constant needling dismissiveness, without a change to act any better or reform at all? No thanks Magoo troll.
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I'll take this as your final refusal to admit to your error.
 
Grace T. said:
I'll take this as your final refusal to call a truce and meet me half way.
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My experience with me not worrying about people not liking me on the internet goes back to here --

Usenet Ban a Slippery Slope?

A brutal, months-long Usenet word brawl that cost jobs and came to death threats ended in a Seattle court Friday when a judge forbade one of the combatants to post new messages on pain of felony charges. The order, which prevents ski buff Scott Abraham from posting any messages on the Usenet...
www.wired.com www.wired.com

I was only a peripheral player in this situation, but I still communicate with online friends I developed then and went skiing or had lunch with some. Usenet is pretty much dead, but we have found each other on FB. They run the full political spectrum, both to the right and left of me.
 
espola said:
My experience with me not worrying about people not liking me on the internet goes back to here --

Usenet Ban a Slippery Slope?

A brutal, months-long Usenet word brawl that cost jobs and came to death threats ended in a Seattle court Friday when a judge forbade one of the combatants to post new messages on pain of felony charges. The order, which prevents ski buff Scott Abraham from posting any messages on the Usenet...
www.wired.com www.wired.com

I was only a peripheral player in this situation, but I still communicate with online friends I developed then and went skiing or had lunch with some. Usenet is pretty much dead, but we have found each other on FB. They run the full political spectrum, both to the right and left of me.
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If you don't give out decency into the world, don't expect decency back. You don't lose anything by being nice to people.
 
NorCalDad said:
Welp...it's over now:

www.thedailybeast.com

Geraldo Supports Impeachment: Losing Made Trump ‘Crazy’

"It made him crazy or revealed a dysfunction I had refused to see. He then unleashed a mob to make war on their own government. 5 to their doom."
www.thedailybeast.com www.thedailybeast.com
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The first time I saw Geraldo was when he was a local TV reporter in New York in 1972. The Navy had sent me to the Grumman factory on Long Island to learn about F-14s. I bought a little 9-inch BW TV so I could watch the Olympics in my boarding-house room (nice Italian landlady downstairs, a couple of beefy Italian guys shared the upstairs with me - I never felt safer). Geraldo at that time was making underground reports on the Willowbrook Mental Hospital - he sneaked onto the grounds at night and filmed and interviewed some of the inmates with no medical people to filter out the mess. The beginnings of a long career for him.
 
Grace T. said:
If you don't give out decency into the world, don't expect decency back. You don't lose anything by being nice to people.
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In the rec.skiing.alpine mess, I tried to be reasonable with people, but those with whom I disagreed took me as an enemy (a lesson I should have learned). Scott Abraham himself threatened me personally and his "lawyer" Bert Hoff (claimed to be Yale Law graduate, but he was obviously horrible at law) threatened to go to my employer. I beat him to it by telling my supervisor what was going on, including a long lesson on what usenet was.
 
EOTL said:
No, apologist. Prison for them, and hopefully worse.

When people like you say you support his policies, first that makes you an a**hole all by itself. Second, it also means you’re willing to accept the worst, most despicable behavior in the history of the presidency for what, so you can obtain slightly less despicable things like fighting marriage equality, or locking chilldren in cages, or “when the looting starts the shooting starts” unless you’re white people staging an insirrection and beating a police officer to death worhcan American flag.

If you want unity and no judgment, start by apologizing for what you did to get us here instead of demanding it from others. You take an insurrection and use it to feel sorry for yourself that people demand accountability. You have none. The American Way.

Liz Cheney, Mitt Romney, Lisa Murkowski, I’ll cut them slack.
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There's that broad brush thing again. But that's ok, frothing at the mouth usually does that, and causes mis spellin of words.

I guess being an asshole means liking: no new wars in the middle east, redeployment of troops in places where they aren't doing any good, sitting two justices and multiple lower court judges, small business growth, pissing off NATO, supporting Israel, and pro life. Likely all things that piss you off - which is good. Doesn't mean I'm racist (nearly impossible for me to be racists), doesn't mean I'm homophobic, doesn't mean I disagree that racism exists.

The three highlighted above support all of the stuff I highlighted.

Now you go do you.
 
espola said:
In the rec.skiing.alpine mess, I tried to be reasonable with people, but those with whom I disagreed took me as an enemy (a lesson I should have learned). Scott Abraham himself threatened me personally and his "lawyer" Bert Hoff (claimed to be Yale Law graduate, but he was obviously horrible at law) threatened to go to my employer. I beat him to it by telling my supervisor what was going on, including a long lesson on what usenet was.
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So sad that happened to you. I can see why you'd be like a puppy that's been kicked one too many times.

You took the lesson too deeply, though, and just allowed it to twist you all together. Do you have issues with others saying your are cranky (or is your real life persona very pleasant)? Genuinely curious. I know my father has gotten to be quite the curmudgeon as he got older.

But ultimately, that's why we are where we are. That's why Trump exists. That's why we have antifa riots and Capitol seizures. Because we've forgotten to treat each other with courtesy and decency even though our opinions may differ. And to the extent you've internalized that behavior, however good the reason, you are part of the problem....because the Antifa rioters and the Capitol rioters all thought they had good reasons too. It doesn't excuse it.

This is a great analogy of the D & R dynamic. The Ds think they are in the right. The Ds think they can do no wrong. The Ds think they are on the side of history. They treat the Rs this way because they've been kicked like a puppy one too many times. And eventually the Rs say no more and you get a Trump.
 
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