Surf Cup - Get Your Refund Now

So you did not answer my question. I get it you don't want people to go. Your agenda is crystal clear. But, is this insurance ever used?

The way I look at it is if someone gets sick and decides to sue the club, the insurance doesn’t cover the club. The coach and manager can be held liable.

I recently heard of a case where a young player died due to heat exhaustion during a tournament. The parents sued the club. The club was covered by insurance if they lost the case.
 
The surf az tournament is a sanctioned event, insurance is covered. Just like it was with USclub games in the ECNL out of state despite the CA restrictions. Local, county, and State stuff in CA doesn't cross state lines and there is no federal manadate that apply.

If a kid gets hurt personal heath insurance is used just like it does anytime.

Usclub won't cover for non sanctioned events but they will for those ones they do sanction like league games and tournaments as long as local rules are followed. Our club already asked this and some of our teams played in Texas recently.
 
The insurance being discussed is Accident and Liability insurance. Look at it from a business standpoint.
The field owner will require the team to have insurance. The tournament organizer will require the team to be covered by insurance. They (The tournament organizer) may buy insurance that covers all of the teams, but the insurance company may deny coverage for the teams that have violated mandates in order to travel to the tournament. Surf Sports will have some language in their application that says individual teams are responsible for being in compliance with all applicable rules in an attempt to insulate them. The CA based club ends up being on an island. The covid waivers they make the parents sign might be invalid due to the club being responsible for the participation in the tournament. This is why clubs decide they won't risk it from a liability standpoint. The Board of Directors may find that their insurance is invalidated if they allowed a team to travel out of state as a representative of the club. Workers comp may be invalid for any injury to the coach ( provided they are an employee of the club). This is what leads clubs to decide not to participate.

From US Club Soccer

Q: For an activity that takes place in a different municipality or state than the member/member organization resides or is based, which local and state public health requirements and orders are applicable?

Members/member organizations are responsible to ensure they understand and comply with the requirements and orders of local and state public health authorities applicable to their activities. This means that a member/member organization must comply with the rules and orders of the locality(ies) and state(s): (1) in which the member/member organization resides/is based; (2) where the activity is held; and (3) through which the member may travel while the member is in that locality or state.


Q: What if the applicable local and state public health authorities have conflicting requirements/orders?

In this situation, US Club Soccer encourages members to consult with their local and state public health authorities and legal counsel.

We recognize that does not answer the specific question of whether an activity is sanctioned by US Club Soccer and therefore covered by US Club Soccer-provided insurance. However, given the unique circumstances of each claim and the particular issues that may exist between local and state authorities, our insurance provider cannot provide a blanket determination. Our understanding after discussions with US Club Soccer’s insurance provider is that the insurance provider would take into consideration whether the member/member organization acted reasonably in such a situation.
Once again another poster sticking their nose in someone else’s business if your clubs not going in your team is not going don’t you have something better to do
The surf az tournament is a sanctioned event, insurance is covered. Just like it was with USclub games in the ECNL out of state despite the CA restrictions. Local, county, and State stuff in CA doesn't cross state lines and there is no federal manadate that apply.

If a kid gets hurt personal heath insurance is used just like it does anytime.

Usclub won't cover for non sanctioned events but they will for those ones they do sanction like league games and tournaments as long as local rules are followed. Our club already asked this and some of our teams played in Texas recently.
Thats exactly what our club said. And they also said they checked with US Club. They said local law governs in any tournaments not the law where a team is coming from.
 
Once again another poster sticking their nose in someone else’s business if your clubs not going in your team is not going don’t you have something better to do

Thats exactly what our club said. And they also said they checked with US Club. They said local law governs in any tournaments not the law where a team is coming from.
Some of these find folks from California what the rules we impose to follow you to another state.....hahahahaha. They also want to take your money if you try and leave the state so you can be free. Talk about being stuck and nowhere to go. So many people are leaving this state. Bye bye old friends.
 
Once again another poster sticking their nose in someone else’s business if your clubs not going in your team is not going don’t you have something better to do

Thats exactly what our club said. And they also said they checked with US Club. They said local law governs in any tournaments not the law where a team is coming from.

Yes for USclub carderd players & coaches in USclub sanctioned tournaments.

For Cal South carded, USSSA or other state associations there could be other things to consider?

Surf could also have purchased supplemental insurance in they felt like there was a possiblity of certain number of potential teams or clubs that their State or other associations weren't going to cover.
 
Yes for USclub carderd players & coaches in USclub sanctioned tournaments.

For Cal South carded, USSSA or other state associations there could be other things to consider?

Surf could also have purchased supplemental insurance in they felt like there was a possiblity of certain number of potential teams or clubs that their State or other associations weren't going to cover.

Yes or individual teams can purchase an event coverage policy. This is done for all types of single day or multi day events.

This ain't their first rodeo....lol
 
The surf az tournament is a sanctioned event, insurance is covered. Just like it was with USclub games in the ECNL out of state despite the CA restrictions. Local, county, and State stuff in CA doesn't cross state lines and there is no federal manadate that apply.

If a kid gets hurt personal heath insurance is used just like it does anytime.

Usclub won't cover for non sanctioned events but they will for those ones they do sanction like league games and tournaments as long as local rules are followed. Our club already asked this and some of our teams played in Texas recently.

As I write this I am watching the news out of London where they have now deployed police to prevent people from getting on trains out of London now that their travel ban went into effect. Now that's a little nuts. Over here if people are so determined to go to Phoenix for 3 days and are willing to have to quarantine from work, school, and training the Police aren't going to stop them from going. Mesa is on record as saying they are allowing tournaments to continue due to concern about costing local jobs if they shut down the tournaments but they are gonna crack down hard on any violators gosh darn it.

From the Arizona Republic
Mesa will continue to allow the tournaments, but the mayor said rule enforcement would be strict.

“The time for gentle persuasion is over. We have to have strict enforcement of these rules or I think the next step is to do what we’ve been asked to do, which is shut our fields," Giles said during a City Council session on Monday.

Giles said the city had to weigh "two very legitimate and very competing interests" — that of health care providers asking city leaders to close the fields to prevent further spread of the virus and that of the hospitality industry that needs these events. Giles said “several hundred people” in the hospitality industry would lose their jobs if the city canceled tournaments.


We were told the difference is that the State went on record at a news conference ( in response to a question from a stating that the travel restrictions are a mandate and that is what CHANGED things. Up until the state changed it to a mandate they were ok with travelling. It was that change that put travel in conflict with US Club Soccer ( who says you must abide by your home territory LOCAL and STATE orders). It also put them in conflict with the local health department. It's possible some clubs were told not to worry about it when they checked with CDPH and their County Health Department so they decided to travel anyway. They may have agreed to a 10-14 day quarantine upon return.

US Club Soccer hasn't been clear ( publicly) on what their position is and they clearly aren't interested in putting out clear direction. They basically said you should check with your lawyers to see if you should travel out of state. It's basically don't ask us, check with your local governing authorities and your lawyer to see if you would be covered.

This is what is on their web site. It's clear that Surf Sports recognizes the limitations and that is why they are offering full refunds ( minus credit card fees) to clubs that withdraw due to this. By doing that, they are putting the responsibility back on to each club that attends. ( we gave them every opportunity to withdraw and they still showed up).

Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs)

To assist our members, we have prepared some FAQs. Please understand that these FAQs are not intended to be legal advice or a determination by an insurance provider as to whether coverage applies in any specific situation. Given how quickly the situation is changing with COVID-19, the information contained in these FAQs is subject to change without notice. Additionally, as circumstances vary depending on where members are located and due to changing circumstances. we cannot guarantee the accuracy of this information for similar circumstances.

Q: Is US Club Soccer able to provide a definitive answer as to whether a specific activity (ex: training, games, participation in a tournament in a different state or municipality, etc.) is, or is not, compliant with the applicable local and state public health authorities?

No. Primarily, it is the role and expertise of local and state public health authorities to make this determination. Also, as a national organization, it's not possible for US Club Soccer to be knowledgeable of, or be able to monitor, the various and changing requirements of the thousands of public health authorities throughout the country. For these reasons, we recommend that member organizations seek answers directly from the applicable public health authorities (at the local and state level), and/or consult with legal counsel licensed in the member organization’s jurisdiction.

Q: For an activity that takes place in a different municipality or state than the member/member organization resides or is based, which local and state public health requirements and orders are applicable?

Members/member organizations are responsible to ensure they understand and comply with the requirements and orders of local and state public health authorities applicable to their activities. This means that a member/member organization must comply with the rules and orders of the locality(ies) and state(s): (1) in which the member/member organization resides/is based; (2) where the activity is held; and (3) through which the member may travel while the member is in that locality or state.

Q: What if the applicable local and state public health authorities have conflicting requirements/orders?
In this situation, US Club Soccer encourages members to consult with their local and state public health authorities and legal counsel.

We recognize that does not answer the specific question of whether an activity is sanctioned by US Club Soccer and therefore covered by US Club Soccer-provided insurance. However, given the unique circumstances of each claim and the particular issues that may exist between local and state authorities, our insurance provider cannot provide a blanket determination. Our understanding after discussions with US Club Soccer’s insurance provider is that the insurance provider would take into consideration whether the member/member organization acted reasonably in such a situation.
Q: How does this impact US Club Soccer-sanctioned tournaments?
When US Club Soccer approves a tournament sanctioning application, it means that the tournament complies with applicable US Club Soccer rules and policies. US Club Soccer does not review local or state public health requirements. Any US Club Soccer-sanctioned tournament remains subject to the tournament host’s compliance with applicable requirements/orders issued by local and state public health authorities. If the requirements/orders issued by public health authorities change so that the tournament cannot be held in a manner that complies with such requirements/orders, the tournament will be deemed unsanctioned even if it was previously approved by US Club Soccer. Tournament hosts are expected to become familiar with the applicable requirements/orders issued by local and state public health authorities and participating teams are responsible for their compliance with such requirements/orders.
 
So around 500 orders teams are attending?

Guess there not worrying about insurance or some California suggestions on how to go about things locally. CA Guidance are suggestions and its up to interpretations on if and who those might be applied to or not depending on where you at to a large extent.

Out of state participation is a choice, surf is giving that choice or opportunity to teams around the county. I think as Americans we like freedom of choice. Do your research and make a educated guess if you have too but at least surf is trying to give people that choice.
 
@ITFC Blues

Maybe the state could hire clowns like you to monitor the state line soccer tournament check points then you wouldn't have to be on here 24/7 posting meaningless nonsense.
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Maybe Thunderbolt can put down the BW cheating and abuse files, make a cameo, and weigh in. Or maybe he’s now buried in the Penske file.
 
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Maybe Thunderbolt can put down the BW cheating and abuse files, make a cameo, and weigh in. Or maybe he’s now buried in the Penske file.
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Thunderbolt (aka Cocosdad) has not been on the forum for some time. The static he got regarding BW may have been to much and foolish for the then club attorney to come on here and lie. BW despite being put on an indefinite suspension for inappropriate conduct with female players is still coaching at the high school level.
 
@ITFC Blues

Maybe the state could hire clowns like you to monitor the state line soccer tournament check points then you wouldn't have to be on here 24/7 posting meaningless nonsense.
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Or just stop people at the AG inspections. Good idea. Since the last post, France has banned all freight traffic into and out of the UK. As long as those who go understand the ramifications of participating, fine with me. Go ahead and go to Arizona, just be prepared to stay home for 14 days. No School, no training, and no going to work if you can't work remotely. The fact that you don't understand something doesn't make it meaningless, or nonsense.
 
comedy. 99% of the people going to arizona will be doing the exact thing they do here. go to an outdoor soccer event, wear their masks, go back to their hotel room with their family, order food to be delivered and then go to bed. Will there be a few who mingle? sure, the same people that will mingle with others in CA. This site has devolved so much over the course of the year.
 
comedy. 99% of the people going to arizona will be doing the exact thing they do here. go to an outdoor soccer event, wear their masks, go back to their hotel room with their family, order food to be delivered and then go to bed. Will there be a few who mingle? sure, the same people that will mingle with others in CA. This site has devolved so much over the course of the year.
That's all we did three times we were there. We had to go to get fresh clips. Her video is coming together nicely and i thank AZ for helping with the finishing touches.
 
comedy. 99% of the people going to arizona will be doing the exact thing they do here. go to an outdoor soccer event, wear their masks, go back to their hotel room with their family, order food to be delivered and then go to bed. Will there be a few who mingle? sure, the same people that will mingle with others in CA. This site has devolved so much over the course of the year.
A "few". Come on man, dont be Naive. 1% is comical. REMEMBER social gatherings are fueling the spread.
 
99% of people are going to stay outside or in the hotel room?

Right thing to do and I applaud you for it. I think your estimate is ridiculously high, even for those who choose not to go.

If 99% of people wore masks, stayed outdoors, ate dinner at home, and went promptly to bed, we would not be in an outbreak.
 
comedy. 99% of the people going to arizona will be doing the exact thing they do here. go to an outdoor soccer event, wear their masks, go back to their hotel room with their family, order food to be delivered and then go to bed. Will there be a few who mingle? sure, the same people that will mingle with others in CA. This site has devolved so much over the course of the year.
There is no question that behaviors will be exactly the same. The question is whether you think it makes sense for an organization like Surf to hold an event that causes people to travel far away from their home, as group, in the face of what's happening today. I'm not talking about your own personal right to drive to AZ and play futbol on the pitch, that's a silly argument - of course you have the right.

Surf has the right to try and put on an event (in AZ anyway, in CA that right has been taken away). And they are likely going to pull it off. There are other organizations that have cancelled or postponed their events in the face of what many think is a serious situation. It's an interesting dilemma.

Humans are funny and predictable. They generally are able to make concrete decisions about something when they have little to no skin in the game. In this case, coming here, playing 3 games, presents you with minimal risk. Before you know it, you are back in fortress CA. What happens in AZ stays in AZ. Again, I would never correlate rise in cases to soccer because that's dumb, but politicians will. Just ask people who live in the city of phoenix. Zero organized sports allowed. Surf was a primary driver in that decision. It was an emotional talking point regurgitated over and over again by underwhelming local politicians.
 
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