SoccerFan4Life
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For the record, I am pretty sure we have all broken a rule or two over the past 8 months of covid restrictions. I know I broke it 20 times playing some type of soccer this year.
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whatithink
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Yeah, there stretching the rules and then there's driving your, say, 11 year old GOAT 6+ hours to a state that is seeing record cases, record daily deaths and record hospitalizations. Clearly those 3 days of soccer will make or break that 11 year olds prospects for the future. Fortunately, you, as the adult in the room, know that this tournament and your GOATs participation will ensure that they stay ahead of the pack. You'll know that this decision, that you made, will be the final nail that ensured they became the player you dream nightly that they will be.
SoccerFan4Life
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True. Our family has strict rules: no hotels, no vacations, no indoor dining, and minimal trips to box stores or markets. We learned our lesson on thanksgiving gatherings ( 3 covid cases and 1 scare with my son). Outdoor activities is open game every day. Futsal is open game every week.
would it be more palatable for you if they flew 45 minutes instead?
whatithink
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No, just another demonstration of parental ego over coming common sense.
phew, good thing the tournament isnt in CA.
Yeah, it is not the in second worst state. It’s in the fifth worst state. The change of location makes all the difference.
It would be more palatable if people would wait, just like we are in AZ for the HS season.
Not saying don't come, just don't come now. But it's your choice, which is a decent enough argument under most circumstances.
92% capacity ICU/inpatient beds, staff not available, ED nearly full everyday. Sounds like a place I'd want to go for Christmas. But I get it, your choice and not mad about it. A bit confused, not mad.
I will tell you this, the governor of this state is being pushed hard to mimic measures being taken in other states, specifically CA. I don't believe lockdowns are very effective at combating the virus, but they are effective at screwing small business. I also know that politicians still get paid during lockdowns and will leverage useless data to achieve their goals. They are also good at getting fake fired up over headlines.
El Clasico
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Did I understand you correctly? The governor of AZ is being pushed hard to mimic the measures being taken by one of only two states worse than your own? Why wouldn't they push him to mimic a state that is much better off than his own if he has to mimic anyone?
Yes, you read that correctly. obviously you are no politician, which is good. If you are an az native, then you should know what's going on locally, if you aren't a native, do some research.
This isn't about common sense, it's about elected and non elected officials wanting to seem as if they are doing something.
This is the environment we are currently operating in. You decide which direction AZ is being pushed to go. You are already there. Tucson and Pima county are under curfew.
Yes, people still have a choice to come to AZ for the holidays, I doubt we close borders. It's your choice. But coming at the behest of an organization that is encouraging travel at the height of a hysteric pandemic that is front page news ----is just dumb and does nothing for anyone here in AZ. But have at, justify it anyway you can, even framing it as your right and freedom to do so,, which it is, but really...
Arizona is STILL No. 1 in the nation for COVID-19 spread and STILL Gov. Ducey does nothing
Arizona continues to have the nation's highest transmission rate of COVID-19 and Gov. Doug Ducey's response is, as usual, underwhelming.
www.azcentral.com
Ducey has no plans for new restrictions or continued eviction relief as COVID spikes
Gov. Doug Ducey won't impose new restrictions on individuals or businesses despite what appears to be a record number of daily COVID-19 cases in Arizona and a trend pushing higher.
tucson.com
The main reason the upper midwest has low daily case counts is that they ran out of people to infect.
I'm not sure copying North Dakota will get you the results you want.
More people buying online than walking into a retail store right now. Not giving up that much revenue at all.
Desert Hound
DA
As usual more fact free assertions. If indoor dining is the cause of the rise in cases in AZ we would have seen it months ago. Instead our rise mirrors the timeline of pretty much every other state.
We didn't start eating out in Oct in AZ. We have been eating INSIDE since May.
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They have so much money they could close for a year and be ok. Come on man!!!
True dat - Definitely seasonality involved, kinda like the changing of the license plates.
We have stricter guidelines at our work than we did 3 months ago. Didn't matter. 75 employees. 5 cases of Covid in the last 2 weeks, 10 others quarantined with some symptoms or had housemates that had Covid. We had made it through October and November with no cases. December with everyone inside isn't helping. Missing my whole engineering department (2 people) and half my tooling department (2 people).
As a Latino myself, I gotta say this is riskier than going to a tournament.......
www.latimes.com
Defying the pandemic, Latinos missing loved ones travel to their homelands for the holiday
Latinos in California are reuniting with their loved ones in Mexico and Central America at the holidays despite dangers posed by COVID-19.
www.latimes.com
As a Latino myself, I gotta say this is riskier than going to a tournament.......
Defying the pandemic, Latinos missing loved ones travel to their homelands for the holiday
Latinos in California are reuniting with their loved ones in Mexico and Central America at the holidays despite dangers posed by COVID-19.
Yup. This is the most frustrating thing about all of this. Soccer is nowhere on the radar of being risky. There's mountains of data supporting this. Our October numbers were fantastic. What changed? Seems pretty obvious to me. People let their guard down, hung out with friends, gathered indoors in groups. Whether that was for Halloween or Thanksgiving. Plus for counties that made it to orange and yellow...they saw more indoor dining happening. I suspect we're probably going to be screwed after Xmas. All of our politicians are complete morons. You have the Orange Man at the federal level more interested in his own finances and staying out of jail. Then you got Newsom dining at the french laundry doing exactly what he's telling people not to do. It's so incredibly stupid. If only people voted for people who actually cared about their constituents as opposed to their party and lobbyists. In the end our kids get the raw end of the deal because adults don't know how to act like adults.
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It's not just the politicians. But also the health experts. Fauci with the masks but when the cameras aren't on he takes them off (he's been caught 4 or 5 times now). Birx telling people not to gather but then she has a Thanksgiving/not-Thanksgiving. Fergueson (the architect of lockdowns) who then takes a booty call.
To some extent, though, one problem we have is that all this goes against human nature. If these experts can't honor their own rules, it's really not surprising the politicians and the peons can't. Remember, if we really think we want people to distance for the length of time of the emergency and wear masks around others, we are asking people who aren't married or who aren't living together to basically be celibate for 1 year plus.
Besides gatherings the other issue is work. As the San Diego numbers showed, Tom Cruise has a point....if you work you socialize. Los Angeles freeways are almost full to normal during rush hour, and that's people working. No one could shut the economy down for a year +.
A better solution would have been to have saved the lockdown bullet for the winter wave they told us all was coming, instead of wasting it during the fall and summer.
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