Surf Cup's Fate

Desert Hound said:
I am not calling out the wrong people. Today the places open are the biggest companies..ie Target, Walmart, etc. Exactly the companies @dad4 is fine with. The problem is those places have thousands coming in each day, and yet we shut down mom and pops that get far fewer per day...and @dad4 is all for that.
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agreed. The transmission is coming from those big box stores with hundreds of people packed in isles on the weekends. Restaurants have it tough. The spread in restaurants in real but to let them open at 25% capacity makes zero sense.

Here’s what I would do for restaurants:
- no taxes for 2020 to 2021
- no license fees required
- loans available with zero interest for 5 years
- allow use of parking lots for outdoors
- all expenses related to quarantine can be reimbursed by the state.
- state entities enticed to purchase meals from local restaurants (this idea is too vague but some way to promote local police and other offices to support small restaurants)
 
Glitterhater said:
Along the same gratitude vein- we put out a snack/drink box, (yes, all individually wrapped so don't accuse me of spreading COVID!) that delivery drivers, (mail, UPS, FedEx, Doordash, you get the idea,) can take any time they wish. Some of those drivers are so slammed they barely come up for air, let alone eat.
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What a nice idea.
 
Chelsea dad g09 said:
Wow. This statement right here is almost as out of touch as our politicians are.
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You think we should keep indoor dining open?

Ok. What's your plan for ICU bed staffing? 'Cause you'll need it for the case spike that will follow.

And how should we help non restaurant small businesses when the case spike kills their foot traffic?
 
dad4 said:
You think we should keep indoor dining open?

Ok. What's your plan for ICU bed staffing? 'Cause you'll need it for the case spike that will follow.

And how should we help non restaurant small businesses when the case spike kills their foot traffic?
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Nope but the restaurants back up plan, outdoor dining should absolutely be open.

How about this, what's your plan for providing income to shuttered businesses? For paying their mortgages? For feeding their families?

Ok. What's your plan for more room at homeless shelters? Cause you'll need it when the business owners lose everything.
 
Grace T. said:
Indoor dining has been closed in Los Angeles from the beginning. Hasn't stopped anything.
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One factor among many.

As Jim notes, if everyone just has a dinner party because the restaurant is closed, it doesn't help much.

LA may be close to done. You're at 5.9% confirmed. Some states went into decline at 6.5%.

Out would not surprise me at all if LA has a big Christmas spike, but declines quickly in January.
 
Chelsea dad g09 said:
Nope but the restaurants back up plan, outdoor dining should absolutely be open.

How about this, what's your plan for providing income to shuttered businesses? For paying their mortgages? For feeding their families?

Ok. What's your plan for more room at homeless shelters? Cause you'll need it when the business owners lose everything.
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I only object to indoor dining. Outdoor dining is a completely different question. Especially if there is a breeze.

Given Jim's point about indoor dining at private homes, opening outdoor dining may even reduce overall cases. This assumes that patio dining replaces dinner parties.
 
dad4 said:
I only object to indoor dining. Outdoor dining is a completely different question. Especially if there is a breeze.

Given Jim's point about indoor dining at private homes, opening outdoor dining may even reduce overall cases. This assumes that patio dining replaces dinner parties.
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Not at all what you said. You said to get a back up plan, well the state shut down their back up plan so now what?
 
Chelsea dad g09 said:
Not at all what you said. You said to get a back up plan, well the state shut down their back up plan so now what?
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Not here to defend everything Newsom does any more than you are here to defend everything Trump does.

If you want to talk paycheck replacement for waiters, that's a real discussion.

If you want to ask that we infect more people so that hound can make a buck, you're crazy.
 
dad4 said:
Not here to defend everything Newsom does any more than you are here to defend everything Trump does.

If you want to talk paycheck replacement for waiters, that's a real discussion.

If you want to ask that we infect more people so that hound can make a buck, you're crazy.
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Not sure if you're deflecting what you wrote on purpose or just dont even realize what you wrote but I cant anymore. It would just be talking in circles.
 
Chelsea dad g09 said:
Not sure if you're deflecting what you wrote on purpose or just dont even realize what you wrote but I cant anymore. It would just be talking in circles.
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What I've said is perfectly clear. We should close the things that significantly spread the disease. I don't understand why this is a radical thought, but it clearly is.
 
dad4 said:
What I've said is perfectly clear. We should close the things that significantly spread the disease. I don't understand why this is a radical thought, but it clearly is.
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Hold up, you stated businesses needed a back up plan, the state shut down their back up plan without regard to their livelihoods and now its I'm defending Trump whom I've never mentioned on this forum or didnt even vote for FYI. You politicized just like Newsom. Nobody including myself mentioned indoor dining should be open. Sure, perfectly clear.
 
Chelsea dad g09 said:
Hold up, you stated businesses needed a back up plan, the state shut down their back up plan without regard to their livelihoods and now its I'm defending Trump whom I've never mentioned on this forum or didnt even vote for FYI. You politicized just like Newsom. Nobody including myself mentioned indoor dining should be open. Sure, perfectly clear.
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Not nobody. Hound has been advocating indoor dining since May. Still is. Arizona for him, not LA. They’ve had a lot of indoor dining open, and have had very high case rates as a result.
 
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