Surf Cup's Fate

Grace T. said:
The off topic zone is a no mans land of politics, crazy talk, covid, trolls and ad hominems. No one likes to go there.
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dad4 said:
If no one likes to go there, why do we keep going there?
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I fixed it.

The off topic zone is a no mans land of politics, crazy talk, covid, trolls and ad hominems. No one likes Sane people don't like to go there.
 
Grace T. said:
The problem is that short of a full scale Australian lockdown, the limited lockdown, distancing, and mask interventions seem to help only minimally. In the most recent months, if you compare region over region in the US, the curves all follow the same pattern regardless of government policy. That means we are placing a huge cost (hurting kids, hurting small businesses, causing people to go unemployed) for not a whole lot of benefit. Such policies should have been reserved for the peaks of the initial wave and the current wave, instead of squandered over the summer when it did minimal good.
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Not fair. You are Monday night quarterbacking. Hindsight is 20/20

I guess I just frame issues differently. I see the orders as an attempt to choose the lesser of the 2 evils. I think a complete shutdown would be catastrophic for small businesses. Maybe there is only marginal benefit regarding the current order but I think it’s a balancing act and better than imposing maximum pain via complete lockdown.
 
MacDre said:
Not fair. You are Monday night quarterbacking. Hindsight is 20/20

I guess I just frame issues differently. I see the orders as an attempt to choose the lesser of the 2 evils. I think a complete shutdown would be catastrophic for small businesses. Maybe there is only marginal benefit regarding the current order but I think it’s a balancing act and better than imposing maximum pain via complete lockdown.
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Small biz is already in catastrophic waters. Just looking for a life boat to, "help, help, help me, please help my small biz." No, just a harbor patrol health boat going around giving out finds. All these small mom & pops are in big need and are taking on too much and will sink.
 
MacDre said:
Not fair. You are Monday night quarterbacking. Hindsight is 20/20

I guess I just frame issues differently. I see the orders as an attempt to choose the lesser of the 2 evils. I think a complete shutdown would be catastrophic for small businesses. Maybe there is only marginal benefit regarding the current order but I think it’s a balancing act and better than imposing maximum pain via complete lockdown.
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MacDre said:
Not fair. You are Monday night quarterbacking. Hindsight is 20/20

I guess I just frame issues differently. I see the orders as an attempt to choose the lesser of the 2 evils. I think a complete shutdown would be catastrophic for small businesses. Maybe there is only marginal benefit regarding the current order but I think it’s a balancing act and better than imposing maximum pain via complete lockdown.
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The Thanksgiving "surge on a surge" should be here any day now....
 
crush said:
Small biz is already in catastrophic waters. Just looking for a life boat to, "help, help, help me, please help my small biz." No, just a harbor patrol health boat going around giving out finds. All these small mom & pops are in big need and are taking on too much and will sink.
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The biggest mistake was to give every eligible adult the $1,200 free check back in April. They could have given to those who lost their job or to small businesses. I know of several college students that grabbed that money to spend it on bikes, clothes, and las Vegas. California should let all small businesses open up to 50% capacity and the Walmart’s of the world to 25% capacity.
 
jimlewis said:
The Thanksgiving "surge on a surge" should be here any day now....
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My hospital is down to 2 ICU beds. My county‘s daily case rate is 2000% of their case rate in mid October. No, that’s not a typo. We went from 70 to 1400.

That’s enough of a surge for me, thanks. What are you waiting for before you are willing to say it’s a problem?
 
dad4 said:
If I understand it right, @MacDre actually does play, and you and I are the armchair QBs.

Nothing wrong with that. You want Fauci for your fantasy league team? Or you gonna go with Atlas?
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I get you and EOTL now. This is some game with our lives were all playing. You have a job as a teacher for life and on here teaching us when you should be helping the kiddos with math. Interesting job you got. I know most of the teaching hours are way better then those banking hours in the past. My dd will get up in two more hours. BTW, this fantasy game that the 1% and their puppets have been playing with our lives and the military lives will soon end pal. I mean that 100%. I would take the Arm Services for my first pick in the draft. You can have all the health pros you loser!!!! Hahhahahahaha. Not you a loser personally, only those who cheated and hurt others so they can have all the power. I get Seal Team 6, all the other Seals, Green Berit, Special Ops, NSA, Jets, bombers and all the troops. The police and sheriff falls with the military as well. Enjoy Dr F and all his pals. You can have Jack, Mark, the other Mark and all the other smart dudes. Plus, take all the media and Hollywood with you. Good luck bro. It's not too late to repent and go to the winning side. God & Country!!!! Nothing like Apple Pie and a Chevy. Made in America. America, the land of the free and home of the brave.
 
dad4 said:
My hospital is down to 2 ICU beds. My county‘s daily case rate is 2000% of their case rate in mid October. No, that’s not a typo. We went from 70 to 1400.

That’s enough of a surge for me, thanks. What are you waiting for before you are willing to say it’s a problem?
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Don't be ungrateful for the size of the surge just yet. JB stated we would have 250,000 deaths in December. CDC Director Robert Redfield said 200,000. It's not over, but as of December 15th, we are sitting just under 36K. It sounds like they were expecting a bigger surge.
 
dad4 said:
If I understand it right, @MacDre actually does play, and you and I are the armchair QBs.

Nothing wrong with that. You want Fauci for your fantasy league team? Or you gonna go with Atlas?
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Has he played, "I started a business from scratch, rolled the dice and hit 7 only to see others close me down and now I lost everything I worked my ass off for?" Based on Dre, he worked as DA or with the DA but now works in higher education. He has a goat he drives down to TJ all the time to play soccer from Nocal. His wife is in the health profession. I see Dre opening up his own charter school and helping others improve their lot in life.
 
MacDre said:
Not fair. You are Monday night quarterbacking. Hindsight is 20/20

I guess I just frame issues differently. I see the orders as an attempt to choose the lesser of the 2 evils. I think a complete shutdown would be catastrophic for small businesses. Maybe there is only marginal benefit regarding the current order but I think it’s a balancing act and better than imposing maximum pain via complete lockdown.
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It would be if I hadn't been advocating the same all along.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
Don't be ungrateful for the size of the surge just yet. JB stated we would have 250,000 deaths in December. CDC Director Robert Redfield said 200,000. It's not over, but as of December 15th, we are sitting just under 36K. It sounds like they were expecting a bigger surge.
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Oh, they were expecting a larger surge. I had read the forecasts as December + January, not just December. Either way, we are still under.

Part of the pattern is they announce a “current path” estimate, in the hopes that we wake up and get off that path.

In this case, it partially worked. Many of us changed our behavior. I can’t fault them for that.
 
SoccerFan4Life said:
California should let all small businesses open up to 50% capacity and the Walmart’s of the world to 25% capacity.
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Not sure about Socal but I think generally speaking the Bay Area is very hostile towards big box stores and supports mom and pop shops. For example look at places like Marin and Berkeley and the complete absence of big box stores. Also, around 10 years ago Hercules made national new by using eminent domain to take the property Walmart had purchased for development. Walmart in East Oakland by the Oakland airport closed within 5 years of opening.
 
dad4 said:
Oh, they were expecting a larger surge. I had read the forecasts as December + January, not just December. Either way, we are still under.

Part of the pattern is they announce a “current path” estimate, in the hopes that we wake up and get off that path.

In this case, it partially worked. Many of us changed our behavior. I can’t fault them for that.
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I love it!!! Call it big, and if you get it wrong, claim you scared them into doing better! You can't lose when people are so easily manipulated. Genius!!!
 
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