Because we're back to in Los Angeles between masks/restaurant dining closed, we shouldn't be in this place.
And as for "anything with enclosed shared air space" is an argument for grounding the air fleets.
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Because we're back to in Los Angeles between masks/restaurant dining closed, we shouldn't be in this place.
And as for "anything with enclosed shared air space" is an argument for grounding the air fleets.
This sounds more like the ‘bad news’ thread... but it’s off topic now so...
Can we drop casinos from this list as I believe they operate on sovereign land?
Likewise with ‘dinner parties’, unless ‘dinner parties’ is a reference to Thanksgiving and the Holiday Season, I don’t think either side of this discussion argue against transmission being prevalent within the home.
They line up nicely. Now take a look at the area under each of those curves:
11.5,
10.3
8.1
7.7
7.5
6.8
Not at all the same. Despite very similar demographics, economies, and climate, the worst state has almost 70% more cases than the best one.
Something is different. (This is what I meant by thinking in precalc versus thinking in differential equations.)
Your twitter source is clueless, by the way. North Dakota is in decline only because they ran out of new people to infect. He seems to think it is a badge of honor.
Why exclude casinos? Does the virus know when it is on sovereign land? Does it hop out of your body as you leave the parking lot?
Sorry. This one is a shared problem. Native Americans can do their part to share in the solution.
Or if you prefer the mid west
But that's exactly the point! Assuming there are no other variables and the difference between the largest/smallest areas were purely government policy (and it's not because the real opened up state in this model is South Dakota), best case scenario for the lost businesses, torturing children, forcing everyone to wear a mask, lost employment is this difference. The difference is NOT 11.5 and 0....it's NOT let's just close businesses/schools/sports and mask up and we won't have a disaster. The cost/benefit that needs to take place is what degree the government policy reduces the spread v. the cost from enacting such policy.
Your point about only North Dakota running out of people is also false on its face. They all inflected within a week of each other regardless of government policy or overall numbers confirmed.
The cost differential between MN and ND was 1.69 to 1. How do you ignore a 69% increase in cost when you are doing cost benefit analysis?
Your point is that the date of the peak doesn’t change much. But the height of the peak absolutely did change.
That’s part of what NPI does. Lowering the transmission rate lowers the height of your peak. You hit herd immunity at a lower level. It’s right there in the mathematical models you mock, and it is showing up in the morgues in the Dakotas.
Because we’re in the Surf Cup’s Fate thread and while it sounds like the ‘Bad News’ thread (guessing the armistice is tenuous at this point), the discussion was about policy relative to Surf Cup (hence the reclassification to ‘off-topic’). Since casinos on sovereign land can’t be dictated to by state policy, it seems reasonable to exclude them from the conversation.
If your commenting on poor decision making by the public, no argument.
The off topic zone is a no mans land of politics, crazy talk, covid, trolls and ad hominems. No one likes to go there.
there’s some but not a whole lot of correlation in the peaks either if you want to shift to peaks. California’s for example looks to be smaller than Arizona (and at enormous cost) both times but Minnesota’s is higher than Iowa (which until very recently was almost as bad of an actor as North Dakota); North Dakota > South Dakota; California > Florida; Rhode Island > New York among others.
Dad, they already shared all the land. Let them bee. They know what the truth is, trust me. They been dealing with liars for a very long time.....
If no one likes to go there, why do we keep going there?
kickingandscreaming
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I fixed it.
The off topic zone is a no mans land of politics, crazy talk, covid, trolls and ad hominems.
MacDre
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Not fair. You are Monday night quarterbacking. Hindsight is 20/20
I guess I just frame issues differently. I see the orders as an attempt to choose the lesser of the 2 evils. I think a complete shutdown would be catastrophic for small businesses. Maybe there is only marginal benefit regarding the current order but I think it’s a balancing act and better than imposing maximum pain via complete lockdown.
Small biz is already in catastrophic waters. Just looking for a life boat to, "help, help, help me, please help my small biz." No, just a harbor patrol health boat going around giving out finds. All these small mom & pops are in big need and are taking on too much and will sink.
The Thanksgiving "surge on a surge" should be here any day now....
SoccerFan4Life
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The biggest mistake was to give every eligible adult the $1,200 free check back in April. They could have given to those who lost their job or to small businesses. I know of several college students that grabbed that money to spend it on bikes, clothes, and las Vegas. California should let all small businesses open up to 50% capacity and the Walmart’s of the world to 25% capacity.
My hospital is down to 2 ICU beds. My county‘s daily case rate is 2000% of their case rate in mid October. No, that’s not a typo. We went from 70 to 1400.
That’s enough of a surge for me, thanks. What are you waiting for before you are willing to say it’s a problem?
If I understand it right, @MacDre actually does play, and you and I are the armchair QBs.
Nothing wrong with that. You want Fauci for your fantasy league team? Or you gonna go with Atlas?