Surf Cup's Fate

MSK357 said:
i glanced the stats that were talked about. I believe it said a little over 1% were from restaurants. Am I wrong?
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Yes. You are wrong.

Hound is just filtering through charts until he finds one he likes. If he had picked Louisiana, it would look like this:
Bars and restaurants are #2 and #3 for causing outbreaks.

(This is why you listen to actual experts instead of searching the web for a graph that suits your purpose.)

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EOTL said:
300,000 people are dead and another 3,000 plus every day. Not 14 like you claim. People aren’t dying odd heartburn and other “comorbidities” at catastrophic numbers as you claim.

Suck it up buttercup. It’s no wonder so many kids are having a hard time. There are a lot of parents like you out there who would prefer to whine and wallow in self pity instead of finding ways to keep you children moving forward. I can’t imagine having to live in a house with a dad who spends all his time complaining about how everything is someone else’s fault. Woe is you.
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How does it feel to be the idiot of the forum who nobody likes? You find pleasure in that dont you? your claim of millions in california dying is way off. you disregard the fact that cuomo and newsom as well as many other democrat governors put covid patients in nursing homes that killed large portions of the elderly who are the most at risk. when did i claim 14? when did i whine? maybe having to read your ignorant posts. my kids are thriving. plenty of scrimmages and tournaments that we went to. They are improving daily. On track to skip a grade of math. Something you seem to have problems with as far as statistics. This virus is low risk to my kids and young parents like me. you can hide under a rock if you'd like. I'll be doing what I want, guilt free. Just wear your mask EOTL, you'll be fine. lol.
 
dad4 said:
We do know that indoor dining spreads covid. We just can’t consistently contact trace through the restaurants. But we can ask people whether they eat out at restaurants, look at their test results, and make a very strong statistical argument that the bars and restaurants are killing people.
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a. yes we know indoor dining spreads COVID. That's pretty settled now.
b. the question though is how much and whether its worth it to shut down. We know that planes also spread it but the amount is a hotly debated issue right now and they haven't grounded the fleets.
c. you, being the big math guy here, know that correlation doesn't mean causation. People who eat at restaurants are also likely to be out and about in the community and therefore more likely to have more contacts that lead to their getting ill. People who are locked in the basement aren't going to indoor, let alone outdoor, dining.
 
MSK357 said:
No, i would say killing lives if you are newsom and cuomo who put covid positive patients in nursing homes when we did know that the elderly had the lowest chance to beat the virus.
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No ones perfect. Everyone makes mistakes. Is your “standard” perfection? What was their intent?
 
EOTL said:
The ball was always in your court. You had all the time in the world to do what was under your control to limit spread - including urging others to do the same. But what did you actually do? You whined about and and fought over even the smallest inconveniences in your life for 10 months.
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Thank you. I appreciate that you think I have the power to change people's behavior. I've only encouraged people to make choices based on the evidence and what's best for their family. Cool if its entirely different from my choices. I take full accountability for my choices. I do appreciate creative solutions and workarounds of businesses keeping their doors open.

You (and a few other emotional science deniers) seem to be only able to make an argument by mischaracterizing the arguments of your opponent, or claiming falsehoods that we've spread the virus. You seem to be the only one whining and insulting based upon other peoples choices. I've never fought the smallest inconveniences and while I've complained (or whined in your parlance) about the prohibition on youth sports, its because this is a soccer forum. Not having youth sports is stupid but its nothing more than an annoying situation, we've found plenty of activities to keep us busy. When it comes to in-person education that's entirely different. I will complain, bitch, whine, write letters to the district until schools are reopened. If you consider the lack of in-person education "the smallest inconvenience" then you truly are just following a narrative without any consideration for the facts. I know its tough being a Newsom apologist, even tougher being a Coumo apologist. I don't envy your responsibility to defend them.
 
whatithink said:
I Normalcy in time for next summer. I'm looking forward to a short drive to SoCal to laze on the beach, eat out and maybe even get in some soccer ... but truth be told, my kids have played in multiple Surf Cups and the attraction has never been the soccer, its San Diego in July/Aug after 50-60 days of 100+ AZ. Yeah, sign me up for that.
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No way that happens if the California standards remain in place. They'll be low levels of transmission still for the foreseeable future unless they do a massive and very sweeping vaccine mandate (remember they aren't even planning to catch kids 0-12 until late summer/early fall, and if they try and do a mandate we have other problems). A return to normalcy only happens if people demand a return to normal after the vaccine is widely deployed and force the government's hand. Otherwise, if these standards remain in place, tournaments likely aren't happening this summer, league play will be restricted in the fall, and Disneyland is probably at restricted capacity and with mask mandates. Remember, in California, there is no green tier.
 
dad4 said:
Yes. You are wrong.

Hound is just filtering through charts until he finds one he likes. If he had picked Louisiana, it would look like this:
Bars and restaurants are #2 and #3 for causing outbreaks.

(This is why you listen to actual experts instead of searching the web for a graph that suits your purpose.)

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THis is what i saw

"Nearly 75 percent of confirmed coronavirus transmissions happen inside households or during social gatherings, Gov. Andrew Cuomo said today. "

I guess you disagree with these numbers. If you want to talk about what an idiot Democrat Gov Andrew Cuomo is we can both agree.

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MSK357 said:
How does it feel to be the idiot of the forum who nobody likes? You find pleasure in that dont you? your claim of millions in california dying is way off. you disregard the fact that cuomo and newsom as well as many other democrat governors put covid patients in nursing homes that killed large portions of the elderly who are the most at risk. when did i claim 14? when did i whine? maybe having to read your ignorant posts. my kids are thriving. plenty of scrimmages and tournaments that we went to. They are improving daily. On track to skip a grade of math. Something you seem to have problems with as far as statistics. This virus is low risk to my kids and young parents like me. you can hide under a rock if you'd like. I'll be doing what I want, guilt free. Just wear your mask EOTL, you'll be fine. lol.
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I think I made it clear that I did not come here to be liked. I came here to give a**holes like you what you deserve. I know it’s no fun that you and your buddies don’t get to be the only patronizing bullies here and lie at will without any pushback. I know you thought it was great when everyone you treated like s**t played nice and didn’t confront you in response. Too bad.
 
MacDre said:
No ones perfect. Everyone makes mistakes. Is your “standard” perfection? What was their intent?
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MacDre, we knew from the beginning that elderly sick people were the highest risk. Lets not pretend we didnt know that. Common sense would be not to put contagious COVID positive patients in a facility with the people most at risk. Thats a big enough mistake that people should be fired over. The standard should be lets not purposely put the most at risk people together with people we know have the virus.
 
MSK357 said:
No, i would say killing lives if you are newsom and cuomo who put covid positive patients in nursing homes when we did know that the elderly had the lowest chance to beat the virus.
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CA has the lowest mortality rate of any state with any degree of population density, yet now you’re saying he is killing people?

How are you going to pivot when, in the next few weeks, states that did exactly what you wanted (nothing) start having higher overall death rates than NY? What will be your excuse then?
 
EOTL said:
I think I made it clear that I did not come here to be liked. I came here to give a**holes like you what you deserve. I know it’s no fun that you and your buddies don’t get to be the only patronizing bullies here and lie at will without any pushback. I know you thought it was great when everyone you treated like s**t played nice and didn’t confront you in response. Too bad.
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Push back? your comments make you laughed at here. You are convincing nobody, in fact more and more people call you out. youre delusional if you dont see that. lol. Let me know when millions and millions of californians die. But please dont count the ones that newsom killed in nursing homes.
 
MSK357 said:
How does it feel to be the idiot of the forum who nobody likes? You find pleasure in that dont you?
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the going theory is that he's a doppleganger troll for someone who regularly hangs out here. The person clearly has some soccer knowledge but has not stated any obvious connection through either a child or personal level of plays so it's either: a. someone very frustrated with the soccer community, perhaps because of career frustrations, or b. someone who is mentally off and needs to create a troll account to lash out at people. My money is a combination of a & b. The abbreviation in the name is also telling.
 
MSK357 said:
Push back? your comments make you laughed at here. You are convincing nobody, in fact more and more people call you out. youre delusional if you dont see that. lol. Let me know when millions and millions of californians die. But please dont count the ones that newsom killed in nursing homes.
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Sure, CA has fewer deaths per capita than virtually anywhere, yet Newsom’s a murderer? That’s rich coming from someone who thinks everyone is dying of heartburn.
 
EOTL said:
CA has the lowest mortality rate of any state with any degree of population density, yet now you’re saying he is killing people?

How are you going to pivot when, in the next few weeks, states that did exactly what you wanted (nothing) start having higher overall death rates than NY? What will be your excuse then?
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Answer this straight up, did cuomo put covid positive patients in nursing homes where elderly sick people were being cared for? if the answer is yes, then yes, he killed people.
 
Grace T. said:
the going theory is that he's a doppleganger troll for someone who regularly hangs out here. The person clearly has some soccer knowledge but has not stated any obvious connection through either a child or personal level of plays so it's either: a. someone very frustrated with the soccer community, perhaps because of career frustrations, or b. someone who is mentally off and needs to create a troll account to lash out at people. My money is a combination of a & b. The abbreviation in the name is also telling.
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I think it's fair to say we have more than one who is mentally off!
 
Grace T. said:
the going theory is that he's a doppleganger troll for someone who regularly hangs out here. The person clearly has some soccer knowledge but has not stated any obvious connection through either a child or personal level of plays so it's either: a. someone very frustrated with the soccer community, perhaps because of career frustrations, or b. someone who is mentally off and needs to create a troll account to lash out at people. My money is a combination of a & b. The abbreviation in the name is also telling.
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Ooh, we’re psychoanalyzing people. Let me play. @Grace T. is frustrated mostly with how her career has progressed over time. It started so well with that law review article she wrote and the internship where she fixed typos for real lawyers writing the Ukrainian constitution when she was in law school. But the career did not work out as she hoped and was pretty much over as soon as it actually started. Now she’s a disappointed nobody whose law “practice” involves nothing more than giving bad constitutional law advice on a soccer forum. Unfortunately, it’s pretty much the only place with an audience dumb enough to lap it up, but it’s better than nothing.

I’ll stay away from my psychoanalysis of your parenting, although moving to Utah so your kid could play soccer during a pandemic is ripe for discussion.
 
EOTL said:
Her goal is to game the system to fit her personal desires, not to do the right thing. The American Way.
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You mean to show how arbitrary and unsubstantiated some of these guidelines are and how poorly they are thought through? Yah good point. Still sainting on that data to show outdoor youth sports art the spreader events )go ahead and look towards the other 49 states that allowed it...they should have some data available.

Also, talk to the over 50 Million people in the US lining up for Food lines because they can’t afford food after being put out of work.
 
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