Surf Cup's Fate

kickingandscreaming said:
I notice you didn’t put a year with “March”. Orange is 1.0 to 3.9. March 2021 seems optimistic. I’m guessing if people are already ignoring many of the restrictions, it’ll be considerably worse by March. I’d guess we are going to have some low level of infections until we reach herd immunity. Are you confident that will be < 4/100,000? Maybe infections fall off a cliff given our current surge and the help we’ll have with vaccine rollouts. We’ll need them to if we want to play by March. Also, March is still “flu season”. I hope so. Actually, I’m hoping for February.
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My guess is people will be fools through the first week of January. Death peak on mid Jan. After that, it looks better.

The vaccine will be 15% done by late Jan. Any impatient idiots who gave themselves covid for Christmas will be dead or recovered.

From there, it is a question of how long it takes for case counts to decline. Late March for the early counties. Early May for the late ones. Add a month or two if you reopen your bars and restaurants.

Or, call me wrong in 3 months.
 
ITFC Blues said:
I don't see any wiggle room in this from the guidance

Teams must not participate in out-of-state tournaments; several multistate outbreaks have been reported in CA residents and around the nation.
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That sound you hear is the cash register of Surf pocketing fees and not having to pay refs or rent fields for cancelled games.
 
dad4 said:
My guess is people will be fools through the first week of January. Death peak on mid Jan. After that, it looks better.

The vaccine will be 15% done by late Jan. Any impatient idiots who gave themselves covid for Christmas will be dead or recovered.

From there, it is a question of how long it takes for case counts to decline. Late March for the early counties. Early May for the late ones. Add a month or two if you reopen your bars and restaurants.

Or, call me wrong in 3 months.
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I hope we are both wrong and it's February.

Of course, it's county-by-county, correct? As Grace stated, it's tougher for the top-level teams at the older age groups to find appropriate/varied competition in NorCal with the restrictions. Don't we have to get to yellow 1/100,000 for intercounty/region games? Based on the post by @N00B about a week ago, false-positives can wreak havoc with trying to get down to that level.
 
notintheface said:
That sound you hear is the cash register of Surf pocketing fees and not having to pay refs or rent fields for cancelled games.
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Surf will have to offer another refund window to those California teams now affected by this new order. In addition, their San Diego teams can no longer play. Looks like the tournament just went down to 100 teams from AZ and other states beyond CA. Will they send another email stating "we're excited to open up the tournament to 350 more teams..."?
 
kickingandscreaming said:
I hope we are both wrong and it's February.

Of course, it's county-by-county, correct? As Grace stated, it's tougher for the top-level teams at the older age groups to find appropriate/varied competition in NorCal with the restrictions. Don't we have to get to yellow 1/100,000 for intercounty/region games? Based on the post by @N00B about a week ago, false-positives can wreak havoc with trying to get down to that level.
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No. Under the current guidance even the best you can do is just play teams from a neighboring county if they are the same or better tier as you. Until the guidance is replaced there is no mechanism for you to play anything other than an adjacent county (which is why I was saying the MLS academies are f'ed). Also there is no sunset for the tournament or travel restrictions, which are indefinite....the entire system would have to be scrapped or we'd have to go to the green for which there is currently no guidance (since California apparently thinks we are never returning to normal). That's why I was saying I don't think the summer tournament season happens barring a major change.
 
It only prohibits out-of-state tournaments. If you can travel at all (which appears to be tied to the regional stay-at-home order that is based on ICU capacity, not case counts) then you can travel out-of-state to play individual games not part of a tournament. Clubs in the MLS Next League (but not Galaxy and LAFC) only played scrimmages in AZ against other MLS Next teams or ECNL teams during the fall, not tournaments. They can actually start league play in spring hosted in AZ, just like ECNL did in AZ and NV during fall.
 
Grace T. said:
No. Under the current guidance even the best you can do is just play teams from a neighboring county if they are the same or better tier as you. Until the guidance is replaced there is no mechanism for you to play anything other than an adjacent county (which is why I was saying the MLS academies are f'ed). Also there is no sunset for the tournament or travel restrictions, which are indefinite....the entire system would have to be scrapped or we'd have to go to the green for which there is currently no guidance (since California apparently thinks we are never returning to normal). That's why I was saying I don't think the summer tournament season happens barring a major change.
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So, Reno in the summer, too? Damn, it gets kinda hot there in the summer.
 
Grace T. said:
No. Under the current guidance even the best you can do is just play teams from a neighboring county if they are the same or better tier as you. Until the guidance is replaced there is no mechanism for you to play anything other than an adjacent county (which is why I was saying the MLS academies are f'ed). Also there is no sunset for the tournament or travel restrictions, which are indefinite....the entire system would have to be scrapped or we'd have to go to the green for which there is currently no guidance (since California apparently thinks we are never returning to normal). That's why I was saying I don't think the summer tournament season happens barring a major change.
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Someone tell me I'm wrong here. For SoCal, let's assume Dad's right and LA County doesn't hit orange until late May-June. Isn't that the end of the season? Maybe OC-San Diego get something going for SCDSL but they'll have to leave the teams from other counties high and dry. I can see Coast organizing a bronze tier, but would it be able to organize anything for higher than bronze if you have to assume you can't leave a county and LA County must be out of it? Would they even bother? How do the MLS teams even function if they can't travel? Isn't this it at this point....aren't we basically stuck with scrimmages and invitational try outs in the spring and maybe some informal league play in the summer? Hasn't the fat lady sung?
 
Dargle said:
It only prohibits out-of-state tournaments. If you can travel at all (which appears to be tied to the regional stay-at-home order that is based on ICU capacity, not case counts) then you can travel out-of-state to play individual games not part of a tournament. Clubs in the MLS Next League (but not Galaxy and LAFC) only played scrimmages in AZ against other MLS Next teams or ECNL teams during the fall, not tournaments. They can actually start league play in spring hosted in AZ, just like ECNL did in AZ and NV during fall.
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I think you may have come across a loop hole (you are smarter than they are). So LAFC and LA Galaxy can play each other (because they are in the same county) once that county opens up....but they can't play San Jose because San Jose is 2 or more counties away. But they can go to Arizona to scrimmage a team there if the travel restriction is lifted. That's funny. Nobody tell them. Guess they'll be lots of scrimmage travel in everyone's future.
 
Grace T. said:
I think you may have come across a loop hole (you are smarter than they are). So LAFC and LA Galaxy can play each other (because they are in the same county) once that county opens up....but they can't play San Jose because San Jose is 2 or more counties away. But they can go to Arizona to scrimmage a team there if the travel restriction is lifted. That's funny. Nobody tell them. Guess they'll be lots of scrimmage travel in everyone's future.
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p.s. under the guidance the rule is where the team is domiciled. So 2 California teams cannot just go to Arizona to play each other in league or scrimmage unless they are from the same county or a neighboring county that is in the same or better tier. The loophole Dargle found it they CAN go apparently (at least from the letter of the guidance) to scrimmage or league play an Arizona team. They are not allowed to play a California team from a prohibited county (even if such game takes place in Reno or Arizona).
 
Grace T. said:
p.s. under the guidance the rule is where the team is domiciled. So 2 California teams cannot just go to Arizona to play each other in league or scrimmage unless they are from the same county or a neighboring county that is in the same or better tier. The loophole Dargle found it they CAN go apparently (at least from the letter of the guidance) to scrimmage or league play an Arizona team. They are not allowed to play a California team from a prohibited county (even if such game takes place in Reno or Arizona).
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Right. MLS Next's Southwest Division includes four Arizona teams, so CA teams could play league games against them (the AZ teams just played each other all fall for league play). ECNL could do the same thing against teams based in NV or AZ. And, of course, both could do cross-play against each other in friendlies, as could ECNL with GA.
 
Grace T. said:
Someone tell me I'm wrong here. For SoCal, let's assume Dad's right and LA County doesn't hit orange until late May-June. Isn't that the end of the season? Maybe OC-San Diego get something going for SCDSL but they'll have to leave the teams from other counties high and dry. I can see Coast organizing a bronze tier, but would it be able to organize anything for higher than bronze if you have to assume you can't leave a county and LA County must be out of it? Would they even bother? How do the MLS teams even function if they can't travel? Isn't this it at this point....aren't we basically stuck with scrimmages and invitational try outs in the spring and maybe some informal league play in the summer? Hasn't the fat lady sung?
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Count the number of ECNL and GA teams from OC or a county bordering OC.

There are plenty of good teams you could play.

Now, if ECNL wants to keep up their stupid turf war with GA teams, the options get more limited. But that is not really the state’s fault, is it?
 
Dargle said:
Right. MLS Next's Southwest Division includes four Arizona teams, so CA teams could play league games against them (the AZ teams just played each other all fall for league play). ECNL could do the same thing against teams based in NV or AZ. And, of course, both could do cross-play against each other in friendlies, as could ECNL with GA.
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Alternatively one can interpret this to be a prohibition against playing any out of state teams even if it is in another state since they don't meet either of the conditions listed below. Let's see if they update the guidance to make it a bit more clear.

Inter-team competitions, meets, races, or similar events are authorized only if (a) both teams are located in the same county and the sport is authorized in the Table below; or (b) teams are located in immediately bordering counties and the sport is authorized in both counties in the Table below.
 
soccer4us said:

Outdoor and Indoor Youth and Recreational Adult Sports

www.cdph.ca.gov www.cdph.ca.gov
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Interesting language in the order. I think there is intent when using the words “should” and “must”. I read the mask guidance as recommended for players during games (should), but not mandatory (must). The logic plays throughout the order in multiple sections.

“Participants in youth and adults sports should wear face coverings when participating in the activity...and face coverings must be worn when not participating in the activity.”
 
SBFDad said:
Interesting language in the order. I think there is intent when using the words “should” and “must”. I read the mask guidance as recommended for players during games (should), but not mandatory (must).

“Participants in youth and adults sports should wear face coverings when participating in the activity...and face coverings must be worn when not participating in the activity.”
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It has to be or water polo is impossible at any stage. But the local sports orgs will probably go from there....they might take it further and make it mandatory to protect themselves from accusations (legal or otherwise) they are avoiding taking recommended steps.
 
Just curious if anyone has noticed a difference after the Regional Stay at home order was announced? I have seen outdoor dining in full swing at several restaurants all week. The only change I have noticed is Starbucks blocked off outdoor seating this week. Otherwise I see no change. I know hair salons are likely paying the price, but other entities seem to be ignoring it.
 
GT45 said:
Just curious if anyone has noticed a difference after the Regional Stay at home order was announced? I have seen outdoor dining in full swing at several restaurants all week. The only change I have noticed is Starbucks blocked off outdoor seating this week. Otherwise I see no change. I know hair salons are likely paying the price, but other entities seem to be ignoring it.
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Santa Clara is different. Cities are following the county health dept. Restaurants are closed, except for takeout and delivery. In general, it’s quiet.
 
Dargle said:
Right. MLS Next's Southwest Division includes four Arizona teams, so CA teams could play league games against them (the AZ teams just played each other all fall for league play). ECNL could do the same thing against teams based in NV or AZ. And, of course, both could do cross-play against each other in friendlies, as could ECNL with GA.
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Which is a carry over of what's been happening since AUG, except we haven't seen MLS academies in AZ. It's unfortunate and even frustrating from the outside looking in seeing the effort required to get in a game, much less a practice for CA players. You would think there are models all over the country that CA could cherry pick to allow youth sports to thrive regionally.
 
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