Surf Cup's Fate

dad4 said:
Why is the retort inane? By now, it is quite clear that many contagious people have no clue they are spreading it. Equivalently, many people who feel healthy are actually contagious.

The problem is not that the argument is weak. The problem is that it leads to a conclusion you don't like.
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Because you only have to quarantine for the following "close contact" exposures to a Covid positive person as described by the CDC as follows:

What counts as close contact?

  • You were within 6 feet of someone who has COVID-19 for a total of 15 minutes or more
  • You provided care at home to someone who is sick with COVID-19
  • You had direct physical contact with the person (hugged or kissed them)
  • You shared eating or drinking utensils
  • They sneezed, coughed, or somehow got respiratory droplets on you
All these things are incredibly easy to avoid at a soccer tournament (from any human, infected or not). That's how I know that I've not had a quarantinable exposure. You, and others want to assume that going to a soccer tournament is dangerous, if you want to make the conclusion based on your risk level, more power to you. But again don't project your fears onto others behaviors when you have no basis to do so. If you want to quarantine yourself and go beyond the CDC guidance that's your choice, but you don't get to make that choice for me.
 
SoccerFan4Life said:
If I didn’t have my last child still in youth sports, I would care less about this topic. First keep small businesses open, restaurants, then schools, then gyms, and last would be club sports.
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Why can’t we keep all activities that are not causing spread of the disease open? Shouldn’t be a peeking order or have to pick one over the other. I find all you listed important to having a healthy community. Viruses are not the only things that cause problems for communities. Poverty, obesity, lack of education are all long term symptoms of a unhealthy population. What is being done by these lockdowns and school closures is short sighted and not looking at the long term impacts to all people.
 
soccer4us said:

Outdoor and Indoor Youth and Recreational Adult Sports

www.cdph.ca.gov www.cdph.ca.gov

So how many years...oh I mean months is the Orange tier away for CA....
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Governor doubling down on his faulty colored tier system. Why should the kids getting to play be any more important than anything else tied to this horribly constructed non-scientific system designed to ruin this state? I wasn’t expecting anything less from this failure.
 
crush said:
Or, eat healthy and wear a mask? Plus, wash hands as all Docs do. I know a Doc ((super smart Doc and not a Coo Coo )) who has other remedies then a vaccine. Your starting to sound like a dope pusher for big pharma? Teacher stock in that game?
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I hear if you have little shark’s fin with honey, then spin counterclockwise three times you can avoid polio away. But only if you do it during a full moon.
 
TOSDCI said:
This is not to be sarcastic but I really want to know.....why is it necessary to quarantine after being out of state where you may or may not have been exposed? Any place you go (school, work, grocery store) requires masks and distancing. We wear masks and stay away from people to avoid getting infected or passing it to someone else so why would you be expected to quarantine as well?
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Because virtually every state in the country has much higher infection and mortality rates than CA. Because all the contacts you will have at the airport and all the other places you go significantly increases the risk that you will bring it to CA. Because taking steps to discourage mass travel significantly reduces the number of interactions people have which, in turn, substantially slows down the rate of transmission. Because if you can’t travel, the 1000 people you would have had some close contact with at the airport and during your visit, and the 1000 they had, and the 1000 they had, is now zero. You only have your trip to the grocery store and the five people you ran into there that you can potentially kill.
 
Soccer Bum 06 said:
Governor doubling down on his faulty colored tier system. Why should the kids getting to play be any more important than anything else tied to this horribly constructed non-scientific system designed to ruin this state? I wasn’t expecting anything less from this failure.
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Ha ha. Enjoy your bubble.
 
Soccer Bum 06 said:
Why can’t we keep all activities that are not causing spread of the disease open? Shouldn’t be a peeking order or have to pick one over the other. I find all you listed important to having a healthy community. Viruses are not the only things that cause problems for communities. Poverty, obesity, lack of education are all long term symptoms of a unhealthy population. What is being done by these lockdowns and school closures is short sighted and not looking at the long term impacts to all people.
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Yes, lack of education is clearly a major driver to this pandemic. Get some education.
 
soccer4us said:

Outdoor and Indoor Youth and Recreational Adult Sports

www.cdph.ca.gov www.cdph.ca.gov

So how many years...oh I mean months is the Orange tier away for CA....
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-So am I reading this right?...mask are required even for water polo?
-So anyone see any wiggle room for out of state tournaments?....seems pretty definitive to me.
-January 25, 2021 is the earliest. If the CDC is right and nursing home residents will be immunized by the end of January with the 2 shot doses, we'll see a substantial drop in the death rate. But given this is tied to the various tiers and those tiers are set by cases that's not going to help us. Guess that's all she wrote for any chance of a season?
-Wait....baseball and cheerleading are in the moderate category.....errr, the cheerleaders get closer than soccer players do for lifts, and I guess no one thought about the baseball catcher. Maybe CalSouth is just really bad at lobbying their tier. Volleyball, though, is in the same tier as us????

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Grace T. said:
-So am I reading this right?...mask are required even for water polo?
-So anyone see any wiggle room for out of state tournaments?....seems pretty definitive to me.
-January 25, 2021 is the earliest. If the CDC is right and nursing home residents will be immunized by the end of January with the 2 shot doses, we'll see a substantial drop in the death rate. But given this is tied to the various tiers and those tiers are set by cases that's not going to help us. Guess that's all she wrote for any chance of a season?
-Wait....baseball and cheerleading are in the moderate category.....errr, the cheerleaders get closer than soccer players do for lifts, and I guess no one thought about the baseball catcher. Maybe CalSouth is just really bad at lobbying their tier. Volleyball, though, is in the same tier as us????

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How about football and rugby are same tier as soccer.....yeah, that must follow the "science"
 
Grace T. said:
-So am I reading this right?...mask are required even for water polo?
-So anyone see any wiggle room for out of state tournaments?....seems pretty definitive to me.
-January 25, 2021 is the earliest. If the CDC is right and nursing home residents will be immunized by the end of January with the 2 shot doses, we'll see a substantial drop in the death rate. But given this is tied to the various tiers and those tiers are set by cases that's not going to help us. Guess that's all she wrote for any chance of a season?
-Wait....baseball and cheerleading are in the moderate category.....errr, the cheerleaders get closer than soccer players do for lifts, and I guess no one thought about the baseball catcher. Maybe CalSouth is just really bad at lobbying their tier. Volleyball, though, is in the same tier as us????

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Baseball involves substantially less close personal contact than soccer. Cheerleading can also with appropriate modification that includes social distancing. I’d think you would welcome people being able to do something they love so long as it can be reasonably modified to avoid close contact. Oh wait, you don’t care about anyone else, you’re just looking for excuses to do what you want. The American Way.
 
Grace T. said:
-So anyone see any wiggle room for out of state tournaments?....seems pretty definitive to me.
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Wiggle room? I am not a lawyer and cannot speak for those who run a youth sports program, but do think of myself as a free person that will take the CDHP poorly conceived guidance under advisement and continue to make decisions that are in the best interest of my family. Looking at how other states have been able to have youth sports with few issues, I believe it is safe for my kids. To me this is guidance not law and changes nothing in my eyes.
 
Soccer Bum 06 said:
Wiggle room? I am not a lawyer and cannot speak for those who run a youth sports program, but do think of myself as a free person that will take the CDHP poorly conceived guidance under advisement and continue to make decisions that are in the best interest of my family. Looking at how other states have been able to have youth sports with few issues, I believe it is safe for my kids. To me this is guidance not law and changes nothing in my eyes.
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Agree personally. But, how will clubs deal with this? For example, any California teams wanting to go to Surf Cup now have to explicitly violate state health guidelines.
 
Soccerfan2 said:
Agree personally. But, how will clubs deal with this? For example, any California teams wanting to go to Surf Cup now have to explicitly violate state health guidelines.
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I don't see any wiggle room in this from the guidance

Teams must not participate in out-of-state tournaments; several multistate outbreaks have been reported in CA residents and around the nation.
 
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