Why keep arguing, NO FALL SOCCER!

[Grace T.]

No youth sports but YEAH! Disneyland!!! SMH

Newsom: California ‘actively’ working with Disneyland and other theme parks on reopening plans

California Gov. Gavin Newsom commented on his discussions with Disney and other larger amusement park operators during a press conference on Friday, Aug. 28.

www.ocregister.com

Disneyland will be open before schools in LA County.
And how is it science to have people stacked in lines sometimes indoors for minutes at a time next to each other, but stadiums outside at reduced capacity wearing masks aren't even o.k. in the yellow zone?

 

[socalkdg]

Some good news.

Fauci predicts 'safe and effective' coronavirus vaccine by end of year

Fauci also urged caution over Labor Day weekend. "We have seen after Fourth of July, we saw after Memorial Day, a surge in cases. Wear a mask. Keep social distancing. Avoid crowds."

news.yahoo.com

 

[socalkdg]

Disneyland will be open before schools in LA County.
And how is it science to have people stacked in lines sometimes indoors for minutes at a time next to each other, but stadiums outside at reduced capacity wearing masks aren't even o.k. in the yellow zone?

Actually Disney World has done a great job reopening. With mask requirements for workers and guests, all lines socially distanced, the park at 1/2 capacity, and ride vehicles assigned to families this is a win for the economy. Hundreds of thousands of jobs on the line.

 

[Eagle33]

while we are arguing, meanwhile in NY.....

https://www.soccertoday.com/after-pressure-nyc-grants-park-permits-allowing-youth-soccer-this-fall/

 

[EOTL]

Am I really, really stupid or did you want to throw in another really in there to prove your point? Where did you get your conversation and critical thinking skills…from a seven year old? You keep being you EOTL!

You could use a few more “reallys” but, as usual, I’m trying to be diplomatic.

 

[Grace T.]

Actually Disney World has done a great job reopening. With mask requirements for workers and guests, all lines socially distanced, the park at 1/2 capacity, and ride vehicles assigned to families this is a win for the economy. Hundreds of thousands of jobs on the line.

I don't doubt it, but they at least tried to approach it reasonably, scientifically and weighing the risks

But in our state hair salons are o.k. but nail salons aren't
Schools might very well remain closed before Disneyland opens
Outdoor sports stadiums even at reduced capapcity and with masks won't be open into the yellow zone, but Disneyland (where some cues are inside) and movie theatres (again indoors) are a go in the red zone.
Indoor dining potentially before youth sports.

There's no ryhme or reason except govt picking winners and losers and who has the most political clout.

 

[happy9]

Disneyland will be open before schools in LA County.
And how is it science to have people stacked in lines sometimes indoors for minutes at a time next to each other, but stadiums outside at reduced capacity wearing masks aren't even o.k. in the yellow zone?

Ahhh, not science, but $$$. The dollars will set you free. Start generating some tax revenue at soccer games (refreshments, entry fees, entertainment, etc). I know it's not that simple but you get the point. Is sea world open? San Diego Zoo?

 

[SoccerFan4Life]

Maybe this will start some pressure from regional leaders with the governor to relax therestrictions. I am certain that San Francisco and Sacramento will begin to do the same.

L.A. is about to declare a fiscal emergency. That could mean pay cuts for city workers

L.A. is moving ahead with a plan to furlough thousands of city employees. But to do that, officials say, they must first declare that the city is in a fiscal emergency.

www.latimes.com

 

[Y_T]

Yes, he is a murderer. The people he murdered had a right to due process, rather than to be murdered by an armed vigilante. Due process does not include the President of the United States telling armed vigilantes to take matters into their own hands. In fact, that is the opposite of due process. Nothing I said was ironic, but what you said definitely was. And was also really, really stupid.

 

[Emma]

I believe the league will start in October. Just keep pressuring your state congress person and Newsome's office to open soccer bc it's outdoors and then schools. We're getting close. Continue doing what you need to do to keep the sanity and fun in life, without killing anyone.

Hair salons before nail salons make sense to me. One is touching hair with gloves on. One is touching skin to skin bc it's pretty hard to do your nails with gloves on your hands.

Outdoor sports should open up before schools but schools affect more families.

Send those emails and keep calling those offices but keep wearing your mask and social distance when possible. It doesn't hurt, it'll only help.

 

[EOTL]

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Yeah right. Not only has he been charged with murdering two people, but he did in fact murder them.

 

[Soccerhelper]

I believe the league will start in October. Just keep pressuring your state congress person and Newsome's office to open soccer bc it's outdoors and then schools. We're getting close. Continue doing what you need to do to keep the sanity and fun in life, without killing anyone.

Hair salons before nail salons make sense to me. One is touching hair with gloves on. One is touching skin to skin bc it's pretty hard to do your nails with gloves on your hands.

Outdoor sports should open up before schools but schools affect more families.

Send those emails and keep calling those offices but keep wearing your mask and social distance when possible. It doesn't hurt, it'll only help.

A pic on the 10 frwy coming back from Cactus Cup. It should be AZ, NV, UT, CO and TX coming here to play. Nope, big caravans are now being formed to drive East on the 10 frwy. Why? Because were not allowed to play sports in Socal.

 

[EOTL]

A pic on the 10 frwy coming back from Cactus Cup. It should be AZ, NV, UT, CO and TX coming here to play. Nope, big caravans are now being formed to drive East on the 10 frwy. Why? Because were not allowed to play sports in Socal.

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99 Cent Store is now running a youth soccer club?

 

[Soccerhelper]

99 Cent Store is now running a youth soccer club?

Traffic will be insane coming back from the Cactus Cup on the 20th. Plus all the river rafters and jet skiers will be coming back from, Have A Sue, and of course, all the young people coming back from Palm Springs. All that revenue going to AZ and not California. I wonder what kind of business swing that is?

 

[EOTL]

Traffic will be insane coming back from the Cactus Cup on the 20th. Plus all the river rafters and jet skiers will be coming back from, Have A Sue, and of course, all the young people coming back from Palm Springs. All that revenue going to AZ and not California. I wonder what kind of business swing that is?

Palm Springs is in AZ? Is that where 99 Cent FC is based?

 

[Soccerhelper]

Palm Springs is in AZ? Is that where 99 Cent FC is based?

I was talking traffic at the 10/60. Palm Springs is in California last I check. Everyone meets up at the 10/60 mark.

 

[Desert Hound]

Disneyland will be open before schools in LA County.
And how is it science to have people stacked in lines sometimes indoors for minutes at a time next to each other, but stadiums outside at reduced capacity wearing masks aren't even o.k. in the yellow zone?

I will type this really slow to help everyone understand.

Political donations and tax revenue. Add those 2 together and presto, Disneyland is safe to open to the crowds. Unfortunately the same science says youth soccer is not.

 

[Desert Hound]

This is for @dad4 and others. Science and data. GraceT posted about this in the WSJ earlier.

TrendMacro, my analytics firm, tallied the cumulative number of reported cases of Covid-19 in each state and the District of Columbia as a percentage of population, based on data from state and local health departments aggregated by the Covid Tracking Project. We then compared that with the timing and intensity of the lockdown in each jurisdiction. That is measured not by the mandates put in place by government officials, but rather by observing what people in each jurisdiction actually did, along with their baseline behavior before the lockdowns. This is captured in highly detailed anonymized cellphone tracking data provided by Google and others and tabulated by the University of Maryland’s Transportation Institute into a “Social Distancing Index.”

Measuring from the start of the year to each state’s point of maximum lockdown—which range from April 5 to April 18—it turns out that lockdowns correlated with a greater spread of the virus. States with longer, stricter lockdowns also had larger Covid outbreaks. The five places with the harshest lockdowns—the District of Columbia, New York, Michigan, New Jersey and Massachusetts—had the heaviest caseloads.


Confirming the first experiment, there was a tendency (though fairly weak) for states that opened up the most to have the lightest caseloads. The states that had the big summer flare-ups in the so-called “Sunbelt second wave”—Arizona, California, Florida and Texas—are by no means the most opened up, politicized headlines notwithstanding.

The lesson is not that lockdowns made the spread of Covid-19 worse—although the raw evidence might suggest that—but that lockdowns probably didn’t help, and opening up didn’t hurt. This defies common sense. In theory, the spread of an infectious disease ought to be controllable by quarantine. Evidently not in practice, though we are aware of no researcher who understands why not.

We’re not the only researchers to have discovered this statistical relationship.

Opinion | The Failed Experiment of Covid Lockdowns

New data suggest that social distancing and reopening haven’t determined the spread.

www.wsj.com

 

[JumboJack]

This is for @dad4 and others. Science and data. GraceT posted about this in the WSJ earlier.

TrendMacro, my analytics firm, tallied the cumulative number of reported cases of Covid-19 in each state and the District of Columbia as a percentage of population, based on data from state and local health departments aggregated by the Covid Tracking Project. We then compared that with the timing and intensity of the lockdown in each jurisdiction. That is measured not by the mandates put in place by government officials, but rather by observing what people in each jurisdiction actually did, along with their baseline behavior before the lockdowns. This is captured in highly detailed anonymized cellphone tracking data provided by Google and others and tabulated by the University of Maryland’s Transportation Institute into a “Social Distancing Index.”

Measuring from the start of the year to each state’s point of maximum lockdown—which range from April 5 to April 18—it turns out that lockdowns correlated with a greater spread of the virus. States with longer, stricter lockdowns also had larger Covid outbreaks. The five places with the harshest lockdowns—the District of Columbia, New York, Michigan, New Jersey and Massachusetts—had the heaviest caseloads.


Confirming the first experiment, there was a tendency (though fairly weak) for states that opened up the most to have the lightest caseloads. The states that had the big summer flare-ups in the so-called “Sunbelt second wave”—Arizona, California, Florida and Texas—are by no means the most opened up, politicized headlines notwithstanding.

The lesson is not that lockdowns made the spread of Covid-19 worse—although the raw evidence might suggest that—but that lockdowns probably didn’t help, and opening up didn’t hurt. This defies common sense. In theory, the spread of an infectious disease ought to be controllable by quarantine. Evidently not in practice, though we are aware of no researcher who understands why not.

We’re not the only researchers to have discovered this statistical relationship.

Opinion | The Failed Experiment of Covid Lockdowns

New data suggest that social distancing and reopening haven’t determined the spread.

www.wsj.com

Peru.

 

[dad4]

This is for @dad4 and others. Science and data. GraceT posted about this in the WSJ earlier.

TrendMacro, my analytics firm, tallied the cumulative number of reported cases of Covid-19 in each state and the District of Columbia as a percentage of population, based on data from state and local health departments aggregated by the Covid Tracking Project. We then compared that with the timing and intensity of the lockdown in each jurisdiction. That is measured not by the mandates put in place by government officials, but rather by observing what people in each jurisdiction actually did, along with their baseline behavior before the lockdowns. This is captured in highly detailed anonymized cellphone tracking data provided by Google and others and tabulated by the University of Maryland’s Transportation Institute into a “Social Distancing Index.”

Measuring from the start of the year to each state’s point of maximum lockdown—which range from April 5 to April 18—it turns out that lockdowns correlated with a greater spread of the virus. States with longer, stricter lockdowns also had larger Covid outbreaks. The five places with the harshest lockdowns—the District of Columbia, New York, Michigan, New Jersey and Massachusetts—had the heaviest caseloads.


Confirming the first experiment, there was a tendency (though fairly weak) for states that opened up the most to have the lightest caseloads. The states that had the big summer flare-ups in the so-called “Sunbelt second wave”—Arizona, California, Florida and Texas—are by no means the most opened up, politicized headlines notwithstanding.

The lesson is not that lockdowns made the spread of Covid-19 worse—although the raw evidence might suggest that—but that lockdowns probably didn’t help, and opening up didn’t hurt. This defies common sense. In theory, the spread of an infectious disease ought to be controllable by quarantine. Evidently not in practice, though we are aware of no researcher who understands why not.

We’re not the only researchers to have discovered this statistical relationship.

Opinion | The Failed Experiment of Covid Lockdowns

New data suggest that social distancing and reopening haven’t determined the spread.

www.wsj.com

You must not be a stats guy.

First, your article blatantly confuses correlation with causation. It refers to NY, NJ, MA, DC and MI to imply that lockdowns cause outbreaks. It seems more likely that the states with the worst March outbreaks adopted the harshest April lowdowns.

Second, the claim that CA had the biggest summer flare up is only valid if you ignore population size. What kind of analyst doesn’t immediately correct for population size before saying anything?

What your stats prove is that a significant portion of the variance is caused by something other than date of opening. Well, yes. We knew that. A significant portion of the variance was caused by re-introduction of sick patients into nursing homes, among other things.

Now remove the March outliers and adjust for population size like a good little mathmatician and redo your homework.

Yeesh. Next you’re going to accuse someone else of being bad with numbers.