Why keep arguing, NO FALL SOCCER!

Excellent question. I wonder what the great Maps would have done as a Jr or Sr stud in HS? I would be so depressed, mad, sad, angry and I would have just quit school. No books for this guy. I dont read books, ever!!! Boring for me.
I’ve asked you this before. You brought out your alter ego. Is this the ID, Ego or Super Ego? Because it’s impossible to recognize which one.
 
Like I said before...the unemployment numbers are as of the end of July. The big payout to low income earners ended July 25. Unemployment numbers for August will come out in a couple of weeks. You will most likely see a decline in the unemployment rate because the big payout stopped July 25.

I read a very interesting article by Deloitte today that discussed the changes that are most likely to result for years to come as a result of COVID that will hurt us initially but is projected to make us better in the long run. Hospitality is going to be hit hard for years to come because the decrease in business travel and people being forced to use various media apps. such as Zoom to conduct business etc. There are going to be all kinds of changes in how business is done that started because of COVID but will continue as a result of it such as, improvements in productivity, less of a need for office space and travel requirements to conduct business not necessary. It may even come to the point you can live in a less expensive area in the nation and work for a company in another state.

Going back to my original point, we are in recovery mode and as long as the COVID numbers continue to decline, we will continue in recovery mode.
 
I’ve asked you this before. You brought out your alter ego. Is this the ID, Ego or Super Ego? Because it’s impossible to recognize which one.
Excellent question and I love the curiosity. I also want to say sorry to you for being egotistical with you in the past. I have to be honest and say It's mix bag of super alter and super galaxy ego plus some kindness. My ego wants to feel that it's helping other parents avoid the pitfalls my dd and I went through. The last three years, you could not make up. I look back and feel like a real man for staying true to my core. It was the hardest three years of my life.
 
How exactly are you doing everything you can to keep your employees “from getting hit by this payback in this cut”? Prayer?

How is lying that it is a tax break “in the context of the reason it was presented”?
There yah go making up an argument...for one you can educate your employees on the realities and help them tax plan as well as offer other withholding options we are exploring.

Go back to the context it was framed in....a stimulus. Keepermom2 and I were having a perfectly good debate without you.
 
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Like I said before...the unemployment numbers are as of the end of July. The big payout to low income earners ended July 25. Unemployment numbers for August will come out in a couple of weeks. You will most likely see a decline in the unemployment rate because the big payout stopped July 25.

I read a very interesting article by Deloitte today that discussed the changes that are most likely to result for years to come as a result of COVID that will hurt us initially but is projected to make us better in the long run. Hospitality is going to be hit hard for years to come because the decrease in business travel and people being forced to use various media apps. such as Zoom to conduct business etc. There are going to be all kinds of changes in how business is done that started because of COVID but will continue as a result of it such as, improvements in productivity, less of a need for office space and travel requirements to conduct business not necessary. It may even come to the point you can live in a less expensive area in the nation and work for a company in another state.

Going back to my original point, we are in recovery mode and as long as the COVID numbers continue to decline, we will continue in recovery mode.
Respect your opinion and I don’t think we are too far off from one another. I just think unemployment will get worse before it gets better.
 
There yah go making up an argument...for one you can educate your employees on the realities and help them tax plan as well as offer other withholding options we are exploring.

Go back to the context it was framed in....a stimulus. Keepermom2 and I were having a perfectly good debate without you.

Help them tax plan? You mean by telling them you’ll be withholding at 2x their normal tax rate beginning in January? What are those “other withholding options” that you’re “exploring”?

My god, you’re going to make your employees do this and pitch it to them as a financial benefit, aren’t you?
 
I read a very interesting article by Deloitte today that discussed the changes that are most likely to result for years to come as a result of COVID that will hurt us initially but is projected to make us better in the long run. Hospitality is going to be hit hard for years to come because the decrease in business travel and people being forced to use various media apps. such as Zoom to conduct business etc. There are going to be all kinds of changes in how business is done that started because of COVID but will continue as a result of it such as, improvements in productivity, less of a need for office space and travel requirements to conduct business not necessary. It may even come to the point you can live in a less expensive area in the nation and work for a company in another state.

Open floor office plans are definitely dead. The argument is always going to be now, well if you did this for COVID, why not flu when there's a bad flu season.
 
Help them tax plan? You mean by telling them you’ll be withholding at 2x their normal tax rate beginning in January? What are those “other withholding options” that you’re “exploring”?

My god, you’re going to make your employees do this and pitch it to them as a financial benefit, aren’t you?
Nice reach.....creative!

If you really want advice, just PM me.
 
Look at the chart of consumer spending that I posted. I used my situation as an example but the chart of spending is fact. We are down but not to the dramatic impact that certain news stations and obviously certain posters have presented. Please present the facts you are using to support the information you shared.

I am not saying there hasn't been a huge impact but to say, as many of you are saying as well as certain news media that our economy is tanking and it will be devastating in the coming months is fear mongering. I am saying, look at the facts not guesses and reliance on media.
So you take one sector and use that data to analyze an entire economy? Looking to the news for in depth business analysis? No one In business gets market info from the news or main stream media. You go to industry specific publications for that. I’m in meetings with companies that sell billions in product yearly multiple times a week. Currently most meetings consist of going over third quarter reports, fourth quarter projections and projections for next year. Most people don’t know there are market projections and reports that track virtually every consumer good/service. You can get projections for home window sales to screws to toilet paper. Everything is tracked and all the various industries have impact on the economy.

since you cherry-pickt what you get off google and now not in multiple meetings weekly with companies literally pleading to push any possible projects their way. I attached a chart From the American Institute of Architects. Non-Res construction growth was forecasted at 1.5% for 2020 - meetings we had for our industry was forecasted at 4%. The chart shows the Actual loss COVID created. The loss was recalculated to be 14% - a 15.5 point swing. Institutional loss is less, but only because projects are being pushed up due to campuses being closed. There will be a big gap to be made up in that market in the next few years because new projects are not being developed until the dust settles. Many industries/markets are tied to construction. Losses from lighting, fixtures, paint and other building materials were at minimum 33% for ALL companies, the ones we deal with, in the last two quarters. A few companies are to the point they might have to sell to competitors. All these companies furloughed people at the very minimum and most had large layoffs. If the construction market doesn’t bounce back quickly, You will see how consumer spending is tied to the construction market.

Looking at Online spending to predict economic health, or Covid impact, is plainly ridiculous. You only see that Online, on news channels with people trying to push a narrative or from people who think their google search-analysis research is better than actual real world experience.

Referenced Article: https://www.aia.org/pages/6287230-an-update-on-2020-projections-for-the-nonr
 

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@The Outlaw thinks he is clever by trying to sneak in a comment supporting Kyle Rittenhouse murdering a guy who was trying to stop him from murdering more people.
EOTL, do you even see the irony in your post? Your avatar’s two middle initials stand for Civil Liberties. Of those, the right to due process being its cornerstone. So, for you to call Kyle Rittenhouse a murderer before the facts are gathered and the case is brought to trial speaks volumes of the type of person you proport to be. You. Are. Awesome!!!
 
So you take one sector and use that data to analyze an entire economy? Looking to the news for in depth business analysis? No one In business gets market info from the news or main stream media. You go to industry specific publications for that. I’m in meetings with companies that sell billions in product yearly multiple times a week. Currently most meetings consist of going over third quarter reports, fourth quarter projections and projections for next year. Most people don’t know there are market projections and reports that track virtually every consumer good/service. You can get projections for home window sales to screws to toilet paper. Everything is tracked and all the various industries have impact on the economy.

since you cherry-pickt what you get off google and now not in multiple meetings weekly with companies literally pleading to push any possible projects their way. I attached a chart From the American Institute of Architects. Non-Res construction growth was forecasted at 1.5% for 2020 - meetings we had for our industry was forecasted at 4%. The chart shows the Actual loss COVID created. The loss was recalculated to be 14% - a 15.5 point swing. Institutional loss is less, but only because projects are being pushed up due to campuses being closed. There will be a big gap to be made up in that market in the next few years because new projects are not being developed until the dust settles. Many industries/markets are tied to construction. Losses from lighting, fixtures, paint and other building materials were at minimum 33% for ALL companies, the ones we deal with, in the last two quarters. A few companies are to the point they might have to sell to competitors. All these companies furloughed people at the very minimum and most had large layoffs. If the construction market doesn’t bounce back quickly, You will see how consumer spending is tied to the construction market.

Looking at Online spending to predict economic health, or Covid impact, is plainly ridiculous. You only see that Online, on news channels with people trying to push a narrative or from people who think their google search-analysis research is better than actual real world experience.

Referenced Article: https://www.aia.org/pages/6287230-an-update-on-2020-projections-for-the-nonr
Excellent takes!!! My best pay up in Seattle has been in the radio advertising business. Big broker who manages 100s of local radio station advertisement. That biz took a huge hit!!!! My neighbor has two wild little boys who have to play and be outside. The dad is in construction and is being told things look bleak. He just got told no more work after his current job, which will be completed before Nov. So the kids were all set to go back to school September 8th based on the leaders original rule book. Well, the leader changed the rules again and now its September 22 at the earliest. Poor dad had to tell his boys no school or sports :( The boys lost it. Dad is super cool and just let the boys let it all out. This guy is so Socal, I call him Cal. He is actively looking for a job anywhere outside of California. This is real folks.
 
EOTL, do you even see the irony in your post? Your avatar’s two middle initials stand for Civil Liberties. Of those, the right to due process being its cornerstone. So, for you to call Kyle Rittenhouse a murderer before the facts are gathered and the case is brought to trial speaks volumes of the type of person you proport to be. You. Are. Awesome!!!

Yes, he is a murderer. The people he murdered had a right to due process, rather than to be murdered by an armed vigilante. Due process does not include the President of the United States telling armed vigilantes to take matters into their own hands. In fact, that is the opposite of due process. Nothing I said was ironic, but what you said definitely was. And was also really, really stupid.
 
Yes, he is a murderer. The people he murdered had a right to due process, rather than to be murdered by an armed vigilante. Due process does not include the President of the United States telling armed vigilantes to take matters into their own hands. In fact, that is the opposite of due process. Nothing I said was ironic, but what you said definitely was. And was also really, really stupid.
Am I really, really stupid or did you want to throw in another really in there to prove your point? Where did you get your conversation and critical thinking skills…from a seven year old? You keep being you EOTL!
 
Is their any chance this threads comments aren’t shut down by the end of the day????
This is what Dominic posted when he started shutting down threads. Is this thread part of the "Off Topic" forum?

This forum other than the Off Topic forum will now be void of any political or racially sensitive posts. Forum Members who cannot abide will be banned at my discretion.
Current threads who already have this type of content will be locked, or deleted.
This forum was created to discuss youth soccer, and lately we have totally gotten off track. I have read many of these divisive threads , so I know who the main participants are, and you will be watched.

Again Off Topic is the only allowable place for racially sensitive or political posts like it always has been. No I am not condoning attacks on this basis just discussion.

Dominic
 
Respect your opinion and I don’t think we are too far off from one another. I just think unemployment will get worse before it gets better.
So you take one sector and use that data to analyze an entire economy? Looking to the news for in depth business analysis? No one In business gets market info from the news or main stream media. You go to industry specific publications for that. I’m in meetings with companies that sell billions in product yearly multiple times a week. Currently most meetings consist of going over third quarter reports, fourth quarter projections and projections for next year. Most people don’t know there are market projections and reports that track virtually every consumer good/service. You can get projections for home window sales to screws to toilet paper. Everything is tracked and all the various industries have impact on the economy.

since you cherry-pickt what you get off google and now not in multiple meetings weekly with companies literally pleading to push any possible projects their way. I attached a chart From the American Institute of Architects. Non-Res construction growth was forecasted at 1.5% for 2020 - meetings we had for our industry was forecasted at 4%. The chart shows the Actual loss COVID created. The loss was recalculated to be 14% - a 15.5 point swing. Institutional loss is less, but only because projects are being pushed up due to campuses being closed. There will be a big gap to be made up in that market in the next few years because new projects are not being developed until the dust settles. Many industries/markets are tied to construction. Losses from lighting, fixtures, paint and other building materials were at minimum 33% for ALL companies, the ones we deal with, in the last two quarters. A few companies are to the point they might have to sell to competitors. All these companies furloughed people at the very minimum and most had large layoffs. If the construction market doesn’t bounce back quickly, You will see how consumer spending is tied to the construction market.

Looking at Online spending to predict economic health, or Covid impact, is plainly ridiculous. You only see that Online, on news channels with people trying to push a narrative or from people who think their google search-analysis research is better than actual real world experience.

Referenced Article: https://www.aia.org/pages/6287230-an-update-on-2020-projections-for-the-nonr
I did not get the chart of spending from a google search. I received links to various sites from a contact I have in the Government. These are however public sources of information that can be obtained by many people. Looking at consumer spending is "plainly ridiculous"? LOL What is the ultimate driver of the economy? I am in the same meetings you refer to and what is basically said by everyone is who are building projections is they don't really have a solid base to rely on for future projections since there are so many unknowns.

Since you refer to construction, surely you know there has been no decline in housing prices in Orange County and in fact there has been a rise in value since same time last year.

There are many factors that are in play right now. Funny how you can say with certainty you know what is going on when the real business people that have to disclose that information in their filings to the public cannot say that and are not saying that. They are saying there are many unknowns.
 
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