Why keep arguing, NO FALL SOCCER!

GT45 said:
Some of the kids and teachers live with people over 65 years old. The amount of people headed to the hospital if there is an outbreak at a school, which spreads into the community, can affect people over 65. Let us not forget all of the health care workers who have lost their own lives while treating people for Covid.
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If we keep trying to quarantine everyone to protect those at risk, we will have a severe depresión. This means that benefits for the elderly will decrease, more layoffs, more foreclosures/evictions, and increase in crime and homeless families. How is that better than just having those at risk and their families stay quarantined.
Remember that this is not going away in January. We need to do this for 9 more months at least. Economist claim that 1 of every 3 small business will disappear. Companies are no longer matching 401k, the state is running out of money, people are falling behind on mortgage payments. 1 year from now those at risk will still be at risk.
 
SoccerFan4Life said:
Remember that this is not going away in January. We need to do this for 9 more months at least.
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The risk is going to be longer, assuming our current outlook in California of wanting to keep everyone "safe". Firstly, this assumes a "magic" vaccine which is 98% efficient and keeps people completely immune even if it's for a short time). The reality is the initial vaccines are going to be much less efficient, particularly with those with compromised immune system like the elderly (who BTW, are the ones most vulnerable anyways). Remember despite having a vaccine H1N1 is still with us and the vaccine is not fully efficient.

Then remember they aren't going to have enough for everyone. They'll start with health care workers, essential workers, the elderly, but those looking to get back into offices waiting on a vaccine are going to be disappointed (particularly as it seems now multiple doses of the vaccine are required). Also note the pediatric vaccine has not entered phase 3 testing. We are looking at summer 2021 at the earliest for kids to get vaccinated.

Then it assumes that people are actually going to take it. Surveys have shown large numbers are skeptical of the vaccine, particularly when it comes to children, and many will decline to be in the initial rollout of the vaccine (given, rightly or wrong, the perception that it's been rushed and long term effects not studied). The government may need to force people to vaccinate (some states like Virginia and Hawaii have indicated they will force people).

This is why health experts are saying Americans must be prepared to wear masks for years to come, even after they've been vaccinated. That's why the governor's plan has no "green level" return to normal. Further, the governors standard's don't care about how sick people get, hospitalizations or deaths. Even if the vaccine reduces the severity of the illness in a lot of people, as long as it's circulating and some group of the population remains vulnerable, the governor's plan contemplates restrictions-- in some low population counties having a few positive cases is enough to send them back up into the higher levels of restriction. The thing could mutate to something as ubiquitous as the common cold, but if a handful of people still die from it California's standards still contemplate years of restrictions.
 
Grace T. said:
The risk is going to be longer, assuming our current outlook in California of wanting to keep everyone "safe". Firstly, this assumes a "magic" vaccine which is 98% efficient and keeps people completely immune even if it's for a short time). The reality is the initial vaccines are going to be much less efficient, particularly with those with compromised immune system like the elderly (who BTW, are the ones most vulnerable anyways). Remember despite having a vaccine H1N1 is still with us and the vaccine is not fully efficient.

Then remember they aren't going to have enough for everyone. They'll start with health care workers, essential workers, the elderly, but those looking to get back into offices waiting on a vaccine are going to be disappointed (particularly as it seems now multiple doses of the vaccine are required). Also note the pediatric vaccine has not entered phase 3 testing. We are looking at summer 2021 at the earliest for kids to get vaccinated.

Then it assumes that people are actually going to take it. Surveys have shown large numbers are skeptical of the vaccine, particularly when it comes to children, and many will decline to be in the initial rollout of the vaccine (given, rightly or wrong, the perception that it's been rushed and long term effects not studied). The government may need to force people to vaccinate (some states like Virginia and Hawaii have indicated they will force people).

This is why health experts are saying Americans must be prepared to wear masks for years to come, even after they've been vaccinated. That's why the governor's plan has no "green level" return to normal. Further, the governors standard's don't care about how sick people get, hospitalizations or deaths. Even if the vaccine reduces the severity of the illness in a lot of people, as long as it's circulating and some group of the population remains vulnerable, the governor's plan contemplates restrictions-- in some low population counties having a few positive cases is enough to send them back up into the higher levels of restriction. The thing could mutate to something as ubiquitous as the common cold, but if a handful of people still die from it California's standards still contemplate years of restrictions.
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I don't know about everyone else, but the thought of sticking my arm out, (or either of my children's, one of whom is a cancer survivor,) for a rushed, highly politically-charged vaccine, is a big no fking thank you from me.
 
Soccer Bum 06 said:
No Fall soccer, no school, no small business. Options? 1. Recall 2. Move to a state with better leadership. If number 1 doesn’t pan out moving is the only option.
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We are outta here. Lived in CA my whole life, but can’t take it anymore. Thankfully I can work anywhere with my job. It was one thing in the spring when the entire country schools and sports were closed… But our kids not being in school and not being on the field are going to fall behind in both areas my. My sons dream is to play Division I soccer and he cannot have another year off the field when other kids are playing games and tournaments And he is stuck doing passing drills 6 feet apart with his club team.
 
Spfister said:
We are outta here. Lived in CA my whole life, but can’t take it anymore. Thankfully I can work anywhere with my job. It was one thing in the spring when the entire country schools and sports were closed… But our kids not being in school and not being on the field are going to fall behind in both areas my. My sons dream is to play Division I soccer and he cannot have another year off the field when other kids are playing games and tournaments And he is stuck doing passing drills 6 feet apart with his club team.
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somebody-call-a-whambulance
 
My girls haven’t stopped playing.
Since day one of all of this bullshit they kept on. For those of you that keep on being sheep I say good luck. We scrimmaged today, again, until somebody who thought they were helping these kids decided to fly a drown over the complex and report them. F U! Don’t hate the fact that some kids are just better than others and want to excel.
 
Lightning Red said:
My girls haven’t stopped playing.
Since day one of all of this bullshit they kept on. For those of you that keep on being sheep I say good luck. We scrimmaged today, again, until somebody who thought they were helping these kids decided to fly a drone over the complex and report them. F U! Don’t hate the fact that some kids are just better than others and want to excel.
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Lightning Red said:
My girls haven’t stopped playing.
Since day one of all of this bullshit they kept on. For those of you that keep on being sheep I say good luck. We scrimmaged today, again, until somebody who thought they were helping these kids decided to fly a drown over the complex and report them. F U! Don’t hate the fact that some kids are just better than others and want to excel.
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Take an air gun with you next time and shoot at it.
 
Lightning Red said:
My girls haven’t stopped playing.
Since day one of all of this bullshit they kept on. For those of you that keep on being sheep I say good luck. We scrimmaged today, again, until somebody who thought they were helping these kids decided to fly a drown over the complex and report them. F U! Don’t hate the fact that some kids are just better than others and want to excel.
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Snitch capital of the country is Cali. Jan 5th, 2017 my lawyer friends went off on childhood friends on fakebook from school who supported conservative values. These were best pals and after that day, it was lines drawn. I knew then our country was in big trouble. Today, families are divided and some have disowned each other and some have killed over it in rage. Divorce is big time and #1 reason now is politics, not finances anymore. A guy shot his wife for watching CNN the other week. This is what division causes. ECNL and GDA? Ruin soccer in socal because people want________________and they will do whatever it takes to have it. We are all witnessing selfishness at the highest levels. Lies and more lies everywhere.
 
Lifeisnotfare said:
Snitch capital of the country is Cali. Jan 5th, 2017 my lawyer friends went off on childhood friends on fakebook from school who supported conservative values. These were best pals and after that day, it was lines drawn. I knew then our country was in big trouble. Today, families are divided and some have disowned each other and some have killed over it in rage. Divorce is big time and #1 reason now is politics, not finances anymore. A guy shot his wife for watching CNN the other week. This is what division causes. ECNL and GDA? Ruin soccer in socal because people want________________and they will do whatever it takes to have it. We are all witnessing selfishness at the highest levels. Lies and more lies everywhere.
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EJ please send a reminder next time your changing handles. It’s best we know to update our ignore feature. Thank you in advance.
 
LASTMAN14 said:
EJ please send a reminder next time your changing handles. It’s best we know to update our ignore feature. Thank you in advance.
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You must have been on vacation or missed my Throwback Thursday/EJ Retires Lastman. Please ignore me if you dont care about________________________ and what happen to so many_________________________________________-. Very sad you ignore me and dont understand all the ____________________________________that happen.
 
Anon9 said:
This whole time I was wondering about EJ and why he was inactive yesterday. Duh!
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I always tell all my dear friends on the socal forum when I make an avatar switch. It's my God given right to do what I want. I'm not hiding behind an avatar either and I dont have my hands as a dad in the soccer biz. That's a big problem that needs to change to make the game better. Ellejustus retired for personal family reasons. "Life is not fair; get used to it" is the most BS statement ever on this planet. I was told that by so many folks that I realize now what "Life is not fair" really means.
 
We all need some Grace. I forgive you, I hope you can find kindness and grace in your soul. The time is near and the storm is here. God Bless you all!!


I will stay on topic after this. Lastman got confused so I wanted him to know I real :) Back to the topic on hand.
 
Lightning Red said:
My girls haven’t stopped playing.
Since day one of all of this bullshit they kept on. For those of you that keep on being sheep I say good luck. We scrimmaged today, again, until somebody who thought they were helping these kids decided to fly a drown over the complex and report them. F U! Don’t hate the fact that some kids are just better than others and want to excel.
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Just so you know, "drone" is not spelled with a "w".

It's ok. Some adults are just better than others. ;)
 
Lightning Red said:
My girls haven’t stopped playing.
Since day one of all of this bullshit they kept on. For those of you that keep on being sheep I say good luck. We scrimmaged today, again, until somebody who thought they were helping these kids decided to fly a drown over the complex and report them. F U! Don’t hate the fact that some kids are just better than others and want to excel.
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My kids are not playing, and it has nothing to do with being sheep. It has more to do with the fact that not one club around my hood is playing or doing anything other than social distance practicing. They would gladly play and I would willfully sign a waiver if that was the stipulation for them to play.
 
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