Why keep arguing, NO FALL SOCCER!

I still want to believe that we will have soccer in the fall. Futsal is a great alternative but it must happen soon.
How can futsal (indoors) with 10 people on the court be safer than 22 people outside on a football sized field playing soccer?

Not sure how we can open up schools but many of the young students are suffering. Multiple teachers have told me that the struggle to use remote learning devices by young kids is pretty dramatic, with little help from their parents or siblings. They aren't getting any lesson plans or instruction because they can't operate their devices, contact teachers with questions, break into smaller groups, ask their friends for help, or even follow along the lesson plan at times. Very sad.

We have 17 on the team now after losing two girls to not wanting to play this year. Neither covid related. 15 can practice right now as two girls have family member with major medical condition so they are playing it safe. Leaves 15. Knowing our team at least 2 girls miss every practice so we would make the 14 person level.

Have to say our team is doing the distance practice pretty well, even the before and after practice with mask wearing. Football teams, not so much. Shared a field with football training for local High School. About 20 boys, 5 younger siblings and 5 adults. No masks, all about 2-3 feet apart for almost 2 hours. This included sitting side by side in large group, standing in lines almost touching to run through a drill, standing around listening to instruction. They aren't even trying to abide by any rules.
 
Not sure how we can open up schools but many of the young students are suffering. Multiple teachers have told me that the struggle to use remote learning devices by young kids is pretty dramatic, with little help from their parents or siblings. They aren't getting any lesson plans or instruction because they can't operate their devices, contact teachers with questions, break into smaller groups, ask their friends for help, or even follow along the lesson plan at times. Very sad.

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How can futsal (indoors) with 10 people on the court be safer than 22 people outside on a football sized field playing soccer?

Not sure how we can open up schools but many of the young students are suffering. Multiple teachers have told me that the struggle to use remote learning devices by young kids is pretty dramatic, with little help from their parents or siblings. They aren't getting any lesson plans or instruction because they can't operate their devices, contact teachers with questions, break into smaller groups, ask their friends for help, or even follow along the lesson plan at times. Very sad.

We have 17 on the team now after losing two girls to not wanting to play this year. Neither covid related. 15 can practice right now as two girls have family member with major medical condition so they are playing it safe. Leaves 15. Knowing our team at least 2 girls miss every practice so we would make the 14 person level.

Have to say our team is doing the distance practice pretty well, even the before and after practice with mask wearing. Football teams, not so much. Shared a field with football training for local High School. About 20 boys, 5 younger siblings and 5 adults. No masks, all about 2-3 feet apart for almost 2 hours. This included sitting side by side in large group, standing in lines almost touching to run through a drill, standing around listening to instruction. They aren't even trying to abide by any rules.
Football and rules never go together. I know of at least 2 local HS football teams who have been practicing normally since beginning of the year.
 
Is anyone other than me tired of hearing the term "cohort"? The only term more maddening to me is the "new normal"? F the new normal, lets get back to normal.

It's pretty clever though, instead of outright prohibiting kids from going back to school, just make the requirements so onerous that its nearly impossible. You come off looking like the good guy, allowing school but protecting school children.
 
Is anyone other than me tired of hearing the term "cohort"? The only term more maddening to me is the "new normal"? F the new normal, lets get back to normal.

It's pretty clever though, instead of outright prohibiting kids from going back to school, just make the requirements so onerous that its nearly impossible. You come off looking like the good guy, allowing school but protecting school children.
Yep. This is it spot on.
 
It sounds like the cohorting requirement applies to also schools and day cares. Infant day care already operates under limited numbers, but if true it will be a blow to the plans to opening day care for the children of essential workers while in grade school (it becomes more expensive). It will mean all except private elementary schools won't be able to swing it (and some of them may need to shift to a 1/2 on 1/2 off approach). Public elementary? Forget about it....just when some counties were near the point of reopening. No way either public or private middle or high schools can reopen with cohorting (the teachers are required to be in the same bubble and that's not how mixed specialist classes work)....seems like they'll be remote for a very long time. And as Paul points out I don't know how you get to a full soccer team that way by October.

IF the rumors are true....I swear every time you think you've finally turned a corner and things are getting better in California and there's a little ray of hope you just get kicked in the teeth.
Correct, off the watch list and a large group of 100+ adults partying, drinking on a rooftop at a restaurant/hotel in San Juan Capistrano, no one wearing masks or social distancing this last weekend.
 
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She said he was in kindergarten but was returning to virtual learning, so repeating kindergarten or is he now in first grade? Definitely difficult for kindergarten. California Ed code does not require children to be in school until the age of six. Kindergarten is not mandatory, maybe another option might be better for this little one.
 
Someone might be able to make better sense of this than I can. Ultimately, it sounds like guidance (officially released tomorrow) will limit teams to 14 players in a group while practicing. So if your roster is bigger than 14, you practice separately? Not sure if my take on that is correct.

I desperately want to be positive but how on earth do we go from so many guidelines, contradictions and restrictions to actually playing games (without masks and rule changes) by October?

Hopefully the info Gav actually releases tomorrow is clearer and more positive for youth soccer.

Any additional insight would be appreciated, as always.

I'm not sure the cohort rules announced yesterday actually apply for outdoor youth sports per se. The press release and accompanying documents are all about the in-person education and child care settings. In fact, the detailed guidance that is linked to the press release makes clear that it does not supersede any other guidance, including that applying to youth sports, and that it applies to indoor environments:

https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/Pages/COVID-19/small-groups-child-youth.aspx

"This guidance applies to groups of children and youth in controlled, supervised, and indoor environments operated by local educational agencies, non profits, or other authorized providers, including, but not limited to, public and private schools; licensed and license-exempt child care settings; organized and supervised care environments, i.e., "distance learning hubs"; recreation programs; before and after school programs; youth groups; and day camps. Guidance and directives related to schools, child care, day camps, youth sports, and institutions of higher education are not superseded by this document and still apply to those specified settings."

Youth sports has its own rules/recommendations on groups, size, etc, but they aren't the same as these rules.
 
Is anyone other than me tired of hearing the term "cohort"? The only term more maddening to me is the "new normal"? F the new normal, lets get back to normal.

It's pretty clever though, instead of outright prohibiting kids from going back to school, just make the requirements so onerous that its nearly impossible. You come off looking like the good guy, allowing school but protecting school children.
Germany is doing just fine reopening schools with cohorts. I think theirs are larger, but still stable groups.

Of course, Germany has considerably better qualified teachers than we do. Asking the English teach to handle basic science is less of a train wreck.
 
Is anyone other than me tired of hearing the term "cohort"? The only term more maddening to me is the "new normal"? F the new normal, lets get back to normal.

It's pretty clever though, instead of outright prohibiting kids from going back to school, just make the requirements so onerous that its nearly impossible. You come off looking like the good guy, allowing school but protecting school children.
"No Fall Sports"
 
Germany is doing just fine reopening schools with cohorts. I think theirs are larger, but still stable groups.

Of course, Germany has considerably better qualified teachers than we do. Asking the English teach to handle basic science is less of a train wreck.
I'm not necessarily opposed to the concept, just tired of hearing the term. I'm in favor of anything reasonable and manageable that gets kids back in school.
 
Germany is doing just fine reopening schools with cohorts. I think theirs are larger, but still stable groups.
I don't think your idea of cohort is the same as what Germany is doing. Their cohorts number in the 100s.

"Classes have been reorganized, creating so-called "cohorts" groups of several hundred students. The "cohorts" are advised to stay apart, but social distancing rules are being done away with within each group. Classes are being scheduled on a staggered basis. Each cohort has its own area in the school grounds, cloakrooms, restrooms and canteens.

The hope is that if there is an infection, only the respective "cohort" will have to be quarantined, rather than the entire school. In the event of new infections, it is not the schools that decide the next course of action, but the local health authorities. For example, whether to quarantine an entire school or just the respective "cohort."

"Strict statewide hygiene rules have been put in place: Students are told to keep their hands off the banisters when taking the stairs — and to wash them frequently. Disinfectant is to be used sparingly and only when deemed necessary — and mixed into cleaning water rather than sprayed pure. Masks are not obligatory and teachers can avail of free testing for the coronavirus."
 
I don't think your idea of cohort is the same as what Germany is doing. Their cohorts number in the 100s.

"Classes have been reorganized, creating so-called "cohorts" groups of several hundred students. The "cohorts" are advised to stay apart, but social distancing rules are being done away with within each group. Classes are being scheduled on a staggered basis. Each cohort has its own area in the school grounds, cloakrooms, restrooms and canteens.

The hope is that if there is an infection, only the respective "cohort" will have to be quarantined, rather than the entire school. In the event of new infections, it is not the schools that decide the next course of action, but the local health authorities. For example, whether to quarantine an entire school or just the respective "cohort."

"Strict statewide hygiene rules have been put in place: Students are told to keep their hands off the banisters when taking the stairs — and to wash them frequently. Disinfectant is to be used sparingly and only when deemed necessary — and mixed into cleaning water rather than sprayed pure. Masks are not obligatory and teachers can avail of free testing for the coronavirus."
Similar model will soon be implemented in many school districts in NJ, PA, NY, VA, etc. An example will be NJ - 5 day cycle where "cohorts" will go be in class for 2 days, virtual for 3, with one day dedicated to disinfecting the school. For as much shade that I will cast on NJ for many, many things, their efforts to get kids back in school in prudent manner is admirable. School districts tend to better funded and decently run (for the most part).

It's not perfect, but it's a start and an effort.
 
I don't think your idea of cohort is the same as what Germany is doing. Their cohorts number in the 100s.

"Classes have been reorganized, creating so-called "cohorts" groups of several hundred students. The "cohorts" are advised to stay apart, but social distancing rules are being done away with within each group. Classes are being scheduled on a staggered basis. Each cohort has its own area in the school grounds, cloakrooms, restrooms and canteens.

The hope is that if there is an infection, only the respective "cohort" will have to be quarantined, rather than the entire school. In the event of new infections, it is not the schools that decide the next course of action, but the local health authorities. For example, whether to quarantine an entire school or just the respective "cohort."

"Strict statewide hygiene rules have been put in place: Students are told to keep their hands off the banisters when taking the stairs — and to wash them frequently. Disinfectant is to be used sparingly and only when deemed necessary — and mixed into cleaning water rather than sprayed pure. Masks are not obligatory and teachers can avail of free testing for the coronavirus."
May vary by region. NYT article put size at a couple dozen for a school in Berlin. Masks required in common areas but not classrooms.

DE also has far lower daily cases, about 1/10 the level in CA. As a result, they can contact trace the kids in a way that we do not.

Where was your article from?
 
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