Why keep arguing, NO FALL SOCCER!

44% of Californians reported feeling symptoms typical of generalized anxiety disorder or a major depressive disorder. This compares to 11% the year earlier. Looks like my kid is in plenty of company.

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Someone might be able to make better sense of this than I can. Ultimately, it sounds like guidance (officially released tomorrow) will limit teams to 14 players in a group while practicing. So if your roster is bigger than 14, you practice separately? Not sure if my take on that is correct.

I desperately want to be positive but how on earth do we go from so many guidelines, contradictions and restrictions to actually playing games (without masks and rule changes) by October?

Hopefully the info Gav actually releases tomorrow is clearer and more positive for youth soccer.

Any additional insight would be appreciated, as always.

 
Paul Spacey said:
Someone might be able to make better sense of this than I can. Ultimately, it sounds like guidance (officially released tomorrow) will limit teams to 14 players in a group while practicing. So if your roster is bigger than 14, you practice separately? Not sure if my take on that is correct.

I desperately want to be positive but how on earth do we go from so many guidelines, contradictions and restrictions to actually playing games (without masks and rule changes) by October?

Hopefully the info Gav actually releases tomorrow is clearer and more positive for youth soccer.

Any additional insight would be appreciated, as always.

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I can only speak for my area, (NorCal,) but we have been distance practicing since... July? I think? Anyway, the teams in my DD's age group have 16 & 18. And yup-the team splits in half OR we have a guest coach (from another age group, etc,) take half on one side of the field and the other half on the other side.

I hope we are all horribly wrong but nobody in our club thinks we'll be playing by October. Fingers crossed for good news all around, tomorrow!
 
Glitterhater said:
Sorry I don't know how to edit my post-but I will say that there have been rumblings within our sidelines, (virtual one now!) that we may end up doing more Futsal style stuff.
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That wouldn’t be a bad thing for the development of players! I’m sure we will all adjust in the coming weeks if it looks like a fall season can’t happen.
 
Paul Spacey said:
Someone might be able to make better sense of this than I can. Ultimately, it sounds like guidance (officially released tomorrow) will limit teams to 14 players in a group while practicing. So if your roster is bigger than 14, you practice separately? Not sure if my take on that is correct.

I desperately want to be positive but how on earth do we go from so many guidelines, contradictions and restrictions to actually playing games (without masks and rule changes) by October?

Hopefully the info Gav actually releases tomorrow is clearer and more positive for youth soccer.

Any additional insight would be appreciated, as always.

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It sounds like the cohorting requirement applies to also schools and day cares. Infant day care already operates under limited numbers, but if true it will be a blow to the plans to opening day care for the children of essential workers while in grade school (it becomes more expensive). It will mean all except private elementary schools won't be able to swing it (and some of them may need to shift to a 1/2 on 1/2 off approach). Public elementary? Forget about it....just when some counties were near the point of reopening. No way either public or private middle or high schools can reopen with cohorting (the teachers are required to be in the same bubble and that's not how mixed specialist classes work)....seems like they'll be remote for a very long time. And as Paul points out I don't know how you get to a full soccer team that way by October.

IF the rumors are true....I swear every time you think you've finally turned a corner and things are getting better in California and there's a little ray of hope you just get kicked in the teeth.
 
Paul Spacey said:
That wouldn’t be a bad thing for the development of players! I’m sure we will all adjust in the coming weeks if it looks like a fall season can’t happen.
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I still want to believe that we will have soccer in the fall. Futsal is a great alternative but it must happen soon. My dd mentioned yesterday that she is not having fun with distance practices (6 feet apart). She wants to tryout other sports. I have a feeling many kids will begin to walk away from sports if we can’t allow them to play anytime soon.
 
Paul George can kind of relate but he has it way better then Grace's boys.. I wonder how he would do locked up in a house as a teenager all day and night? Boys need to be outside building, playing, running, throwing rocks, being little trouble makers and really just being boys. Boys will be boys.

After helping the LA Clippers beat the Mavericks 154-111 in franchise-record-setting fashion to take a 3-2 series lead, the six-time All-Star revealed that he was "in a dark place" during his walk-off interview with TNT.

"It was just a little bit of everything," George later explained when asked what he meant. "I underestimated mental health, honestly. I had anxiety. A little bit of depression. Just being locked in here. I just wasn't there. I checked out.

"Games 2, 3, 4, I wasn't there. I felt like I wasn't there. Shout-out to the people that were in my corner, that gave me words. They helped big time, help get me right, [get] me back in great spirits. I can't thank them enough."
 
Grace T. said:
It sounds like the cohorting requirement applies to also schools and day cares. Infant day care already operates under limited numbers, but if true it will be a blow to the plans to opening day care for the children of essential workers while in grade school (it becomes more expensive). It will mean all except private elementary schools won't be able to swing it (and some of them may need to shift to a 1/2 on 1/2 off approach). Public elementary? Forget about it....just when some counties were near the point of reopening. No way either public or private middle or high schools can reopen with cohorting (the teachers are required to be in the same bubble and that's not how mixed specialist classes work)....seems like they'll be remote for a very long time. And as Paul points out I don't know how you get to a full soccer team that way by October.

IF the rumors are true....I swear every time you think you've finally turned a corner and things are getting better in California and there's a little ray of hope you just get kicked in the teeth.
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Hopefully Governor gives clarification today during press conference but it appears the new cohort guideline are for counties still on the monitoring list. Under the faq section that is what it mentions

 
SoccerFan4Life said:
I still want to believe that we will have soccer in the fall. Futsal is a great alternative but it must happen soon.
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How can futsal (indoors) with 10 people on the court be safer than 22 people outside on a football sized field playing soccer?

Not sure how we can open up schools but many of the young students are suffering. Multiple teachers have told me that the struggle to use remote learning devices by young kids is pretty dramatic, with little help from their parents or siblings. They aren't getting any lesson plans or instruction because they can't operate their devices, contact teachers with questions, break into smaller groups, ask their friends for help, or even follow along the lesson plan at times. Very sad.

We have 17 on the team now after losing two girls to not wanting to play this year. Neither covid related. 15 can practice right now as two girls have family member with major medical condition so they are playing it safe. Leaves 15. Knowing our team at least 2 girls miss every practice so we would make the 14 person level.

Have to say our team is doing the distance practice pretty well, even the before and after practice with mask wearing. Football teams, not so much. Shared a field with football training for local High School. About 20 boys, 5 younger siblings and 5 adults. No masks, all about 2-3 feet apart for almost 2 hours. This included sitting side by side in large group, standing in lines almost touching to run through a drill, standing around listening to instruction. They aren't even trying to abide by any rules.
 
socalkdg said:
Not sure how we can open up schools but many of the young students are suffering. Multiple teachers have told me that the struggle to use remote learning devices by young kids is pretty dramatic, with little help from their parents or siblings. They aren't getting any lesson plans or instruction because they can't operate their devices, contact teachers with questions, break into smaller groups, ask their friends for help, or even follow along the lesson plan at times. Very sad.
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A mother captured an emotional photo of her son crying in virtual class to show difficulties of distance learning during pandemic

When her son returned to virtual learning last week, Jana Coombs saw him struggling.
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socalkdg said:
How can futsal (indoors) with 10 people on the court be safer than 22 people outside on a football sized field playing soccer?

Not sure how we can open up schools but many of the young students are suffering. Multiple teachers have told me that the struggle to use remote learning devices by young kids is pretty dramatic, with little help from their parents or siblings. They aren't getting any lesson plans or instruction because they can't operate their devices, contact teachers with questions, break into smaller groups, ask their friends for help, or even follow along the lesson plan at times. Very sad.

We have 17 on the team now after losing two girls to not wanting to play this year. Neither covid related. 15 can practice right now as two girls have family member with major medical condition so they are playing it safe. Leaves 15. Knowing our team at least 2 girls miss every practice so we would make the 14 person level.

Have to say our team is doing the distance practice pretty well, even the before and after practice with mask wearing. Football teams, not so much. Shared a field with football training for local High School. About 20 boys, 5 younger siblings and 5 adults. No masks, all about 2-3 feet apart for almost 2 hours. This included sitting side by side in large group, standing in lines almost touching to run through a drill, standing around listening to instruction. They aren't even trying to abide by any rules.
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Football and rules never go together. I know of at least 2 local HS football teams who have been practicing normally since beginning of the year.
 
Is anyone other than me tired of hearing the term "cohort"? The only term more maddening to me is the "new normal"? F the new normal, lets get back to normal.

It's pretty clever though, instead of outright prohibiting kids from going back to school, just make the requirements so onerous that its nearly impossible. You come off looking like the good guy, allowing school but protecting school children.
 
watfly said:
Is anyone other than me tired of hearing the term "cohort"? The only term more maddening to me is the "new normal"? F the new normal, lets get back to normal.

It's pretty clever though, instead of outright prohibiting kids from going back to school, just make the requirements so onerous that its nearly impossible. You come off looking like the good guy, allowing school but protecting school children.
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Yep. This is it spot on.
 
Grace T. said:
It sounds like the cohorting requirement applies to also schools and day cares. Infant day care already operates under limited numbers, but if true it will be a blow to the plans to opening day care for the children of essential workers while in grade school (it becomes more expensive). It will mean all except private elementary schools won't be able to swing it (and some of them may need to shift to a 1/2 on 1/2 off approach). Public elementary? Forget about it....just when some counties were near the point of reopening. No way either public or private middle or high schools can reopen with cohorting (the teachers are required to be in the same bubble and that's not how mixed specialist classes work)....seems like they'll be remote for a very long time. And as Paul points out I don't know how you get to a full soccer team that way by October.

IF the rumors are true....I swear every time you think you've finally turned a corner and things are getting better in California and there's a little ray of hope you just get kicked in the teeth.
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Correct, off the watch list and a large group of 100+ adults partying, drinking on a rooftop at a restaurant/hotel in San Juan Capistrano, no one wearing masks or social distancing this last weekend.
 
Grace T. said:
www.cnn.com

A mother captured an emotional photo of her son crying in virtual class to show difficulties of distance learning during pandemic

When her son returned to virtual learning last week, Jana Coombs saw him struggling.
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com
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She said he was in kindergarten but was returning to virtual learning, so repeating kindergarten or is he now in first grade? Definitely difficult for kindergarten. California Ed code does not require children to be in school until the age of six. Kindergarten is not mandatory, maybe another option might be better for this little one.
 
Paul Spacey said:
Someone might be able to make better sense of this than I can. Ultimately, it sounds like guidance (officially released tomorrow) will limit teams to 14 players in a group while practicing. So if your roster is bigger than 14, you practice separately? Not sure if my take on that is correct.

I desperately want to be positive but how on earth do we go from so many guidelines, contradictions and restrictions to actually playing games (without masks and rule changes) by October?

Hopefully the info Gav actually releases tomorrow is clearer and more positive for youth soccer.

Any additional insight would be appreciated, as always.

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I'm not sure the cohort rules announced yesterday actually apply for outdoor youth sports per se. The press release and accompanying documents are all about the in-person education and child care settings. In fact, the detailed guidance that is linked to the press release makes clear that it does not supersede any other guidance, including that applying to youth sports, and that it applies to indoor environments:

https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/Pages/COVID-19/small-groups-child-youth.aspx

"This guidance applies to groups of children and youth in controlled, supervised, and indoor environments operated by local educational agencies, non profits, or other authorized providers, including, but not limited to, public and private schools; licensed and license-exempt child care settings; organized and supervised care environments, i.e., "distance learning hubs"; recreation programs; before and after school programs; youth groups; and day camps. Guidance and directives related to schools, child care, day camps, youth sports, and institutions of higher education are not superseded by this document and still apply to those specified settings."

Youth sports has its own rules/recommendations on groups, size, etc, but they aren't the same as these rules.
 
watfly said:
Is anyone other than me tired of hearing the term "cohort"? The only term more maddening to me is the "new normal"? F the new normal, lets get back to normal.

It's pretty clever though, instead of outright prohibiting kids from going back to school, just make the requirements so onerous that its nearly impossible. You come off looking like the good guy, allowing school but protecting school children.
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Germany is doing just fine reopening schools with cohorts. I think theirs are larger, but still stable groups.

Of course, Germany has considerably better qualified teachers than we do. Asking the English teach to handle basic science is less of a train wreck.
 
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