Why keep arguing, NO FALL SOCCER!

davin said:
Only on a youth soccer board can someone claim AZ is outperforming CA in any meaningful way. AZ has more COVID deaths and infections per capita by a longshot. AZ never has, and never will, outperform CA economically. If your only measure is the ability for kids to play soccer during a pandemic, have at it. You win, and you can keep that.
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Why do people like yourself like to read our post and just make up what we are saying. @happy9 stated the difference in our politics is what is holding us back. With the information you have put forward, if Arizona is back to play with safety guidelines, then California should be ahead or the same since our numbers and death rate is better per capita. Stop putting words in people’s mouth and trying to make them look bad while doing it.
 
This is why I read the forum; it’s helpful and you get a wide range of views and opinions. Yeah we can all act like dicks and children sometimes (including me!) but outside of the politics, generally the info on here is intelligent and thoughtful.

On that note, I’ll ask for your help with a question. Are different areas of SoCal in different ‘phases’ as per Cal South’s RTP? Or are we all in phase 1 still? I read somewhere on here that SD clubs are saying they are in phase 2/3. Not sure if that’s correct?

Cal South sent out the RTP info to clubs a while back and there was a zoom call a couple weeks ago with the District Commissioner but we’ve not heard much since in terms of any official updates. Anyone have inside knowledge from CSL or SCDSL? I’m assuming unless things change in the next week or two, they will need to reassess their planned early Oct start dates.

Even as someone who essentially coaches for a living, I have to admit it’s tough keeping up with all of the news and constant changes. Thanks for the insight and info you guys continue to provide.
 
Paul Spacey said:
This is why I read the forum; it’s helpful and you get a wide range of views and opinions. Yeah we can all act like dicks and children sometimes (including me!) but outside of the politics, generally the info on here is intelligent and thoughtful.

On that note, I’ll ask for your help with a question. Are different areas of SoCal in different ‘phases’ as per Cal South’s RTP? Or are we all in phase 1 still? I read somewhere on here that SD clubs are saying they are in phase 2/3. Not sure if that’s correct?

Cal South sent out the RTP info to clubs a while back and there was a zoom call a couple weeks ago with the District Commissioner but we’ve not heard much since in terms of any official updates. Anyone have inside knowledge from CSL or SCDSL? I’m assuming unless things change in the next week or two, they will need to reassess their planned early Oct start dates.

Even as someone who essentially coaches for a living, I have to admit it’s tough keeping up with all of the news and constant changes. Thanks for the insight and info you guys continue to provide.
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Surf is in phase 3. The rest of the clubs in SD are in phase 1 still.
 
Paul Spacey said:
This is why I read the forum; it’s helpful and you get a wide range of views and opinions. Yeah we can all act like dicks and children sometimes (including me!) but outside of the politics, generally the info on here is intelligent and thoughtful.

On that note, I’ll ask for your help with a question. Are different areas of SoCal in different ‘phases’ as per Cal South’s RTP? Or are we all in phase 1 still? I read somewhere on here that SD clubs are saying they are in phase 2/3. Not sure if that’s correct?

Cal South sent out the RTP info to clubs a while back and there was a zoom call a couple weeks ago with the District Commissioner but we’ve not heard much since in terms of any official updates. Anyone have inside knowledge from CSL or SCDSL? I’m assuming unless things change in the next week or two, they will need to reassess their planned early Oct start dates.

Even as someone who essentially coaches for a living, I have to admit it’s tough keeping up with all of the news and constant changes. Thanks for the insight and info you guys continue to provide.
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The State health order is the controlling document and it does not permit contact or scrimmages. It's not tiered (because otherwise the northern counties which have minimal COVID impact could otherwise start league in addition to schools) depending on how bad an outbreak is in the county. No rules for "contactless" scrimmages have been approved (e.g., Massachusetts).

So technically everyone is supposed to be in phase 1 except some places have moved beyond calling them "day camps". Phase 2 would allow scrimmages and sharing of equipment, neither of which is permitted under the state guidelines.
 
Grace T. said:
The State health order is the controlling document and it does not permit contact or scrimmages. It's not tiered (because otherwise the northern counties which have minimal COVID impact could otherwise start league in addition to schools) depending on how bad an outbreak is in the county. No rules for "contactless" scrimmages have been approved (e.g., Massachusetts).

So technically everyone is supposed to be in phase 1 except some places have moved beyond calling them "day camps". Phase 2 would allow scrimmages and sharing of equipment, neither of which is permitted under the state guidelines.
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Thanks Grace as always for great insight. Shame to hear most AYSO regions now canceled; probably not a good sign for the rest of us hoping for a fall season but like I said before, this is one time I hope I am completely wrong!
 
I know our county announced this week that all fall rec league sports are cancelled. So some of the rec clubs are trying out "camps". My neighbors little guy was so sad. This was going to be his first soccer season :(
 
davin said:
Only on a youth soccer board can someone claim AZ is outperforming CA in any meaningful way. AZ has more COVID deaths and infections per capita by a longshot. AZ never has, and never will, outperform CA economically. If your only measure is the ability for kids to play soccer during a pandemic, have at it. You win, and you can keep that.
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Point out where I say anything about outperforming CA in any meaningful way on anything. I'm merely pointing out the fact that the approach taken by each state is different, with CA being more complex than AZ.

Are you saying that CA is not more complex than AZ?
 
Anon9 said:
Why do people like yourself like to read our post and just make up what we are saying. @happy9 stated the difference in our politics is what is holding us back. With the information you have put forward, if Arizona is back to play with safety guidelines, then California should be ahead or the same since our numbers and death rate is better per capita. Stop putting words in people’s mouth and trying to make them look bad while doing it.
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The reply alone proves the point I was trying to make.
 
Anon9 said:
There are those that want soccer back. There are those that want schools back. For most of California, neither will happen this Fall. I predict there will be no soccer next Spring either, or at least until there is a vaccine. With that being said, why keep arguing with the crowd that wants to keep us shut down. They will win every time. This shutdown has no end in sight. Stop getting worked up with an argument we’ll never win. Do your thing, nobody needs to know. Travel to out of state tournaments, such as Arizona. Look for crazy soccer parents that want soccer just as much as you do, they are out there and plentiful. But most importantly, stop giving the shutdown crowd more ammo to make us look dumb and crazy. According to them, what we are doing is criminal. I would say what they are doing is cynical and hypocritical. Good luck to all and keep ballin, kids need it, but we need it more. And who are they to take that away from us.
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Calsouth has gone very quiet with the 4 phase approach. I’m wondering if they will allow clubs to go from phase 1 to phase 4. For now club soccer starts on October 3rd but how do we go from phase 1 to let the season begin?? Scdsl is already asking for clubs to finalize the list of teams playing in the fall and the deadline is Sept 15th.
 
BananaKick said:
How is that possible that Surf is in 3, and other clubs still in P.1.............does it have to do with access of fields?
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Actually, it is access to fields. Surf has been training since June or even earlier? (correct me if wrong). While many LA, OC and other SD clubs had no permits or access to fields, Surf has been training.
OC's high schools finally have been given permission (starting today) to have conditioning only (Phase 1). Clubs are in Phase 1/2 as far as I know. It all comes down to field permit and whether or not it is private or city/school field.
 
happy9 said:
Let's tell the rest of the story - 996 cases yesterday - yep, but, - every single other metric going down and trending down since middle of JUL. Your family in AZ has made a choice to not go outside. Which is great, since we have choices and live in America.

AZ is trending in the right direction, 200 cases reported today. Yes, it's the weekend and likely not as accurate, but still trending downward. The big difference between AZ and CA is that politics are suffocating CA. Politics are certainly part of the calculus in AZ, but not as big of a factor. CA is just a bigger, much more complex animal than AZ. We certainly took a stumble during memorial day weekend and paid the price. We will see how long the state can keep some businesses from operating before we see more open revolt from those type businesses.

And, soccer was in full swing yesterday (and going on today) , with friendlies, state sanctioned scrimmages, and state league play in games. From all reports, parents played nice, teams moved on and off the field with relative efficiency, and there weren't any unusual heat related injuries beyond what we normally experience in the extreme heat.

Looking forward to next week's games. I hear rumors that a cali team or two may be coming to town, just can't confirm or deny.
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I heard the same rumor....
 
Eagle33 said:
Actually, it is access to fields. Surf has been training since June or even earlier? (correct me if wrong). While many LA, OC and other SD clubs had no permits or access to fields, Surf has been training.
OC's high schools finally have been given permission (starting today) to have conditioning only (Phase 1). Clubs are in Phase 1/2 as far as I know. It all comes down to field permit and whether or not it is private or city/school field.
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I have seen Albion training in OB at Robb Field. Nott's Forest is training at their fields. I have seen some teams from an unknown club training at a park near my house.
 
soccermom74 said:
I heard the same rumor....
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Have to love the rumors, but I think it's true. The club and coaches are holding their cards close to their chest. Rumor was "inadvertently" started by a parent on the sideline sat morning. We will see. I would guess it's a San Diego county team but I'm grasping at straws. It's going to be hot this weekend, hotter than this past weekend. We were kinda lucky to have coolish temps (didn't get into the 110s and above). I am sure they will take that into consideration for travel and determine if it's worth it.
 
happy9 said:
Let's tell the rest of the story - 996 cases yesterday - yep, but, - every single other metric going down and trending down since middle of JUL. Your family in AZ has made a choice to not go outside. Which is great, since we have choices and live in America.

AZ is trending in the right direction, 200 cases reported today. Yes, it's the weekend and likely not as accurate, but still trending downward. The big difference between AZ and CA is that politics are suffocating CA. Politics are certainly part of the calculus in AZ, but not as big of a factor. CA is just a bigger, much more complex animal than AZ. We certainly took a stumble during memorial day weekend and paid the price. We will see how long the state can keep some businesses from operating before we see more open revolt from those type businesses.

And, soccer was in full swing yesterday (and going on today) , with friendlies, state sanctioned scrimmages, and state league play in games. From all reports, parents played nice, teams moved on and off the field with relative efficiency, and there weren't any unusual heat related injuries beyond what we normally experience in the extreme heat.

Looking forward to next week's games. I hear rumors that a cali team or two may be coming to town, just can't confirm or deny.
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So in a few more weeks it will be trending in the wrong direction again. AZ does not believe the virus is real, despite the fact the amount of deaths and sicknesses. Certainly teams from CA will go to AZ to get the virus and bring it back to their communities. AZ is backwards in every way, has the worst record environmental record in the US, an air conditioned nightmare.
 
BananaKick said:
How is that possible that Surf is in 3, and other clubs still in P.1.............does it have to do with access of fields?
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All about access brah!!! Some got access and some dont.
Eagle33 said:
Actually, it is access to fields. Surf has been training since June or even earlier? (correct me if wrong). While many LA, OC and other SD clubs had no permits or access to fields, Surf has been training.
OC's high schools finally have been given permission (starting today) to have conditioning only (Phase 1). Clubs are in Phase 1/2 as far as I know. It all comes down to field permit and whether or not it is private or city/school field.
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Connections to everything that matters in soccer. Anything to win and be #1........I'm happy their playing btw. We need trailblazers out in front. Do they have a competitive advantage? Hell yes. That's why if you lose to them you have an excuse. Let them play!!! Eagle, Surf Cup this year?
 
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