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  • SD under day camp guidance

    Votes: 10 18.9%

  • SD without day camp guidance

    Votes: 3 5.7%

  • OC under day camp guidance

    Votes: 7 13.2%

  • OC without day camp guidance

    Votes: 3 5.7%

  • LA under day camp guidance

    Votes: 7 13.2%

  • LA without day camp guidance

    Votes: 1 1.9%

  • OTH under day camp guidance

    Votes: 7 13.2%

  • OTH without day camp guidance

    Votes: 2 3.8%

  • ALL No dates have be given

    Votes: 11 20.8%

  • Tournament or full game play in July or August.

    Votes: 9 17.0%
  • Total voters
    53
  • Poll closed .
happy9 said:
I dig this GOAT thing, it should still be a thing.
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Still is, much easier to pull off at the younger ages. Once the girls started to age into the ECNL / DA age groups the clubs were much less tolerant of guest playing.

The most recent grouping, U-Littles, got quite a bit of heat for competing at a bigger tourney and coloring outside the lines in terms of some basic guidelines that were established in terms of how many players could be from the same club. It gave off the perception that the players were hand picked to build an "All-Star" squad and the discussion of what is fair and whether this belonged at the tournament the Goats entered was discussed back and forth with some heated exchanges.

I didn't have an issue with it because the Goats were non-traditional to begin, so any "rules" established in creating a Goats team is in itself something that is meant to be broken. Initially the concept was to pick the "parents" because the manner in which they carried themselves would either be conducive, or not, in creating a harmonious environment for a let it all hang out weekend of fun. The players were literally from Flight 1 through 3 and no one cared. Girls had water balloon fights, ate whatever they wanted, danced, painted their hair / face and took to one another so easily once the parents / coaches were out of the way. Watching our "coaches" be more concerned about their "green cups" as opposed to the score was classic. It was a great reminder of the fun the girls should be having to balance the work that constantly overshadows it.

I'm going to try and fetch some older content I posted on the history of Goats with some embarrassing pictures to boot.
 
Ellejustus said:
Wrong again. Ref was slow and had no clue what the hell he was doing that game. I'm not sure where we were, but it was Beaches ref and home crowd.
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It is absolutely a foul, yes, 100% of the time, always. I agree the ref was incorrect. What I am telling you are some of the reasons for why the non-call, that's it. If you are in a close game in a youngers match refs will always call games very very loosely because of the nature of the youngers game. Remember these kids aren't of the age to have the intent to foul. Hold up play? Physical play? Sure. But I can absolutely guarantee that the Beach CB did not go into that collision thinking "I'll take the foul here". They just aren't of the age to be able to make that decision.

I have only very very very rarely seen a ref call a youngers game tight. It just doesn't happen and more parents need to understand this. Youngers refs do not want to influence the game. How many times have you seen a youngers team ship a goal because a line judge misses that last touch before the ball goes out? That's on a decision that they are forced to make. If you got refs calling tight matches on the younger side against kids who are terrifically uncoordinated when they tackle, games would have scorelines of 30-1.
 
notintheface said:
It is absolutely a foul, yes, 100% of the time, always. I agree the ref was incorrect. What I am telling you are some of the reasons for why the non-call, that's it. If you are in a close game in a youngers match refs will always call games very very loosely because of the nature of the youngers game. Remember these kids aren't of the age to have the intent to foul. Hold up play? Physical play? Sure. But I can absolutely guarantee that the Beach CB did not go into that collision thinking "I'll take the foul here". They just aren't of the age to be able to make that decision.

I have only very very very rarely seen a ref call a youngers game tight. It just doesn't happen and more parents need to understand this. Youngers refs do not want to influence the game. How many times have you seen a youngers team ship a goal because a line judge misses that last touch before the ball goes out? That's on a decision that they are forced to make. If you got refs calling tight matches on the younger side against kids who are terrifically uncoordinated when they tackle, games would have scorelines of 30-1.
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Maybe for a short period of time. Because coaches would have to adjust to teach their players to stop mauling and play good technical defense.
 
timbuck said:
Maybe for a short period of time. Because coaches would have to adjust to teach their players to stop mauling and play good technical defense.
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It's hard, right. You have parents screaming from the sidelines to drop your shoulder and "don't let her get the ball!!!!" in the shrillest Karen voices they can. 50-50 balls are always going to have a level of violence to them. Keep in mind the age range, that Beach CB has probably grown 6 inches in the past year and is lucky to not trip when she walks, asking her to pull off a well-coordinated tackle and ball recovery is like asking the bull to make it through the china shop with zero damage. The teaching moment here is for the CB to play the ball but the outside back absolutely needs to stop running with her teammate.
 
Technician72 said:
If you play the clip at a slower speed you can catch @Sparky9 reaction, as he had one of the closest seats to that play.

Overall the Goats FC concept and atmosphere was chill, but every so often you'd get a set of opposing parents that would misconstrue the joyous environment as a personal dig at them / their team. Had a few approach me post game or in parking lots to express their rage at our girls "baahh"ing and our sideline laughing and "joking around". If they only knew that a majority of the time we were laughing at things that were not related to what was going on in the field of play but just having a good time. If we laughed at what was happening on the field it was watching our girls play different positions, trying to figure it out on their own, the "coaches" with their wigs and paint on.

"How dare you not take this U11 game seriously, how dare you!!!"
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I must admit when our kids played Goats together I loved how some coaches lost their minds playing against a team who never practiced/played/ together and were out of position.
 
Technician72 said:
I'm going to try and fetch some older content I posted on the history of Goats with some embarrassing pictures to boot.
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My goat before her first big Goats FC game in San Juan Capistrano where the swallows come every year.Oh Joy.jpg
I had one parent at Joy's Invitational accuse me of having alcohol in my red cup. "Way to set the example for little kids dad and drink at 10am....." I'm like, "what are you talking about mama bear?"
 
Giesbock said:
Cute photo of your daughter. Ready to rumble!
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Thanks bro. All the girls had so much fun. We were all good players and like I said many times before, goat is in the eye of the beholder and we ALL think our goat is the best....lol! Each girl brought a great attitude to the fields. I got to meet a few dads who gave me sh*t on this forum but we were like old pals from high school when we finally got to drink from the red cup together. It was so cool and a breath of fresh air. The Doc called me afterwards and was super freaked out about this new club called, Goat FC. I promised him I wasnt leaving. Then Tad called and I had a different conversation with the Doc. Man, I'm still shocked how serious all this soccer stuff got. Crazy ass times we all live in.
 
Ellejustus said:
My goat before her first big Goats FC game in San Juan Capistrano where the swallows come every year.View attachment 8687
I had one parent at Joy's Invitational accuse me of having alcohol in my red cup. "Way to set the example for little kids dad and drink at 10am....." I'm like, "what are you talking about mama bear?"
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People need to not judge the red solo cup...have these people not heard of brunch...:cool:
 
notintheface said:
It is absolutely a foul, yes, 100% of the time, always. I agree the ref was incorrect. What I am telling you are some of the reasons for why the non-call, that's it. If you are in a close game in a youngers match refs will always call games very very loosely because of the nature of the youngers game. Remember these kids aren't of the age to have the intent to foul. Hold up play? Physical play? Sure. But I can absolutely guarantee that the Beach CB did not go into that collision thinking "I'll take the foul here". They just aren't of the age to be able to make that decision.

I have only very very very rarely seen a ref call a youngers game tight. It just doesn't happen and more parents need to understand this. Youngers refs do not want to influence the game. How many times have you seen a youngers team ship a goal because a line judge misses that last touch before the ball goes out? That's on a decision that they are forced to make. If you got refs calling tight matches on the younger side against kids who are terrifically uncoordinated when they tackle, games would have scorelines of 30-1.
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You have no idea how sophisticated a 10 year old kid can be with fouls.

10 year old girls, at the highest level, can absolutely figure out what is a foul, what the ref will call, and make a conscious decision to blast into another player when they think the ref is a pushover.

I’ve watched my kid do it, and I’ve had that exact discussion with her on they way home. She can clearly articulate what the rule is, what the call should have been, and the missed calls early in the game that told her the ref would let it go.
 
dad4 said:
You have no idea how sophisticated a 10 year old kid can be with fouls.

10 year old girls, at the highest level, can absolutely figure out what is a foul, what the ref will call, and make a conscious decision to blast into another player when they think the ref is a pushover.

I’ve watched my kid do it, and I’ve had that exact discussion with her on they way home. She can clearly articulate what the rule is, what the call should have been, and the missed calls early in the game that told her the ref would let it go.
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I always felt that at the younger ages, the refs were the ones who needed to "teach" what was acceptable soccer. I can't ever remember the coaches my daughter had spent any time on what was a foul and what wasn't. Refs should call the game as it should be played and players, of all ages, will adjust.
 
dad4 said:
You have no idea how sophisticated a 10 year old kid can be with fouls.

10 year old girls, at the highest level, can absolutely figure out what is a foul, what the ref will call, and make a conscious decision to blast into another player when they think the ref is a pushover.

I’ve watched my kid do it, and I’ve had that exact discussion with her on they way home. She can clearly articulate what the rule is, what the call should have been, and the missed calls early in the game that told her the ref would let it go.
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That's intent to be more physical. Players, good and bad, dial up the physicality when the referee is letting them play. That's not what I'm talking about. A 10-year-old simply does not go into a 50-50 ball with the intent to cynically put their opponent on the ground under normal circumstances. They aren't trying to foul - they're trying to bump someone off the ball harder and harder. The expectation from the younger's mind is that their opponent is doing the same thing. You can see it plain as day in the video-- the centerback is expecting the forward to bump her back just as hard and when that doesn't happen, she doesn't have the motor skills to compensate for her momentum, and down she goes.

Of course kids understand fouling and when a referee isn't calling them. They are probing how physical they can be. Example-- we've all seen the youngers games when a forward gets dragged down from behind. The defender is not thinking "I need to put this person on the ground", they're thinking "I need to slow them down" and because they're a younger and don't have the coordination, feet get tangled, or they use too much force on the shoulder pull, whatever, and parents on one sideline all jump up and scream.

That malicious intent doesn't come until later, and soon thereafter the good attacking players have picked up the similarly cynical learning how to embellish the contact.
 
Sheriff Joe said:
North OC
Don’t have any details and I don’t really need any.
She is pretty pissed they are practicing but not letting them back in the classroom.
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North OC has some tough gammers. I moved my Sr year to Troy and it was big time sports in the Freeway League. Football, Basketball and Hoops. Friday nights were packed with fans.
 
Some good news, Phase 1 is here
Los Angeles County Department of Public Health will now permit athletic and sports conditioning activities at school sites for youth sports.

Competition still prohibited but at least this start for the county, more places should be available for field use. CIF has a 3 phase approach for a eventual return to play.
 
jpeter said:
Some good news, Phase 1 is here
Los Angeles County Department of Public Health will now permit athletic and sports conditioning activities at school sites for youth sports.

Competition still prohibited but at least this start for the county, more places should be available for field use. CIF has a 3 phase approach for a eventual return to play.
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Was there a formal announcement?
 
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