Guidance are not for everyone

Desert Hound said:
And not a big deal either.

AZ has had what 10 people under that age of 20 die from the covid?
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Wow...that is a lot! That is 10 young people. I didn't know there was that many people under the age of 20 in any one location die from COVID. I have heard 1 person here or there under 20 but not that many people in one State.
 
Keepermom2 said:
Wow...that is a lot! That is 10 young people. I didn't know there was that many people under the age of 20 in any one location die from COVID. I have heard 1 person here or there under 20 but not that many people in one State.
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Sorry that is not a lot when you are talking about a state of 7 million. And you are talking about 200k who have tested positive for covid.

And these were not healthy kids. They had serious health issues to begin with.

Perspective. 10 kids out of 7 million residents. 10 kids out of 200k positives. And the CDC assumes 10x positive numbers gets you to actual infections...so 10 kids out of 2 million.

Nationwide you only have about 270 people who have died of covid in the age group 24 and under.

This is a soccer forum dealing with pretty much only people under 24. Mainly youth soccer...and then a section of college soccer.

The risk factor to this group of people is effectively NIL.
 
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Desert Hound said:
Sorry that is not a lot when you are talking about a state of 7 million. And you are talking about 200k who have tested positive for covid.

And these were not healthy kids. They had serious health issues to begin with.

Perspective. 10 kids out of 7 million residents. 10 kids out of 200k positives. And the CDC assumes 10x positive numbers gets you to actual infections...so 10 kids out of 2 million.

Nationwide you only have about 270 people who have died of covid in the age group 24 and under.

This is a soccer forum dealing with pretty much only people under 24. Mainly youth soccer...and then a section of college soccer.

The risk factor to this group of people is effectively NIL.
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That is a lot of kids not numbers with risk analysis.
 
Desert Hound said:
Sorry that is not a lot when you are talking about a state of 7 million. And you are talking about 200k who have tested positive for covid.

And these were not healthy kids. They had serious health issues to begin with.

Perspective. 10 kids out of 7 million residents. 10 kids out of 200k positives. And the CDC assumes 10x positive numbers gets you to actual infections...so 10 kids out of 2 million.

Nationwide you only have about 270 people who have died of covid in the age group 24 and under.

This is a soccer forum dealing with pretty much only people under 24. Mainly youth soccer...and then a section of college soccer.

The risk factor to this group of people is effectively NIL.
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Tell you what. Take this post. Print it out. Bring your phone and take a video of you showing this post to those 10 sets of parents. Let's see them nodding at your solid point. Tell them that their little Brayden had serious issues anyways, so having them die so we can go back to playing soccer is no big thing. Then post the video here.
 
notintheface said:
Tell you what. Take this post. Print it out. Bring your phone and take a video of you showing this post to those 10 sets of parents. Let's see them nodding at your solid point. Tell them that their little Brayden had serious issues anyways, so having them die so we can go back to playing soccer is no big thing. Then post the video here.
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You again don't understand numbers and risk.

You don't set policy on outliers. You set numbers based on what the data shows you.

And the data clearly shows that people under 24 have ZERO real risk. Those numbers just don't come from the US. Other countries see precisely the same risk.

AZ has had about the same number of flu deaths in that same age group. We don't stop sports based on that. And if someone said...hey tell that parent that lost the kid to the the flu this is a non issue...people would look at you and said...what an idiot. You know why? Because we all know that getting killed by the flu at that age is virtually unheard of. Same thing with covid at this age group.
 
Keepermom2 said:
That is a lot of kids not numbers with risk analysis.
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That is not a lot of kids. We lose about the same amount of kids to the flu every year. The difference? The press doesn't report that so you are unaware. Why doesn't the press report on kids flu deaths? Because it is RARE and not particularly newsworthy. It happens every year. And it happens to kids who usually have serious health issues. Sound familiar? The difference is we dont shut down sports, schools, wring our hands thinking about flu risks to our kids.

We lose more kids to pool drownings.
 
notintheface said:
Tell you what. Take this post. Print it out. Bring your phone and take a video of you showing this post to those 10 sets of parents. Let's see them nodding at your solid point. Tell them that their little Brayden had serious issues anyways, so having them die so we can go back to playing soccer is no big thing. Then post the video here.
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I guess I'm not understanding what you are trying to say here. While it's certainly tragic that these children passed, we have no idea what actually happened beyond what we see as a data point.

If they were healthy children that were involved in youth sports then tragically passed as a result of contracting CV19, then your statement would have greater merit beyond what you likely intended it to be. It's likely that we will never know what happened to these children beyond their classification of being a CV19 casualty.

I get it, everyone is running around (parents in particular) with their heads cut off because there are way to many ideas, theories, experts, tweets, facebook posts that are driving our opinions on a minute by minute basis.

The bottom line is that we will have to make choices. if you choose to not play soccer (which I'm assuming is important to you since you are on this forum), then so be it - your choice. If some else looks at the same "data" that you looked at and decides to have their kid play soccer - their choice. We should be thankful that we are dealing with such enormous first world problems - to play or not to play. Seems to me that parents in the state of CA are overwhelmingly in favor of their kids playing any sport.
 
Desert Hound said:
You again don't understand numbers and risk.

You don't set policy on outliers. You set numbers based on what the data shows you.

And the data clearly shows that people under 24 have ZERO real risk. Those numbers just don't come from the US. Other countries see precisely the same risk.

AZ has had about the same number of flu deaths in that same age group. We don't stop sports based on that. And if someone said...hey tell that parent that lost the kid to the the flu this is a non issue...people would look at you and said...what an idiot. You know why? Because we all know that getting killed by the flu at that age is virtually unheard of. Same thing with covid at this age group.
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i agree that risk is low for u12. If your claim of ZERO risk under the age of 24, why did so many college organizations shut down fall sports? They gave up millions of dollars of profit for “Zero risk”??
 
SoccerFan4Life said:
i agree that risk is low for u12. If your claim of ZERO risk under the age of 24, why did so many college organizations shut down fall sports? They gave up millions of dollars of profit for “Zero risk”??
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My guess for reasons that some conferences have chosen to suspend or cancel their fall seasons are: politics, avoid possible litigation, hope that a vaccine comes out soon, not enough money to run a comprehensive testing program, etc.

We'll likely never know the real reason, but it's reasonable to think it's a combination of the above. It would be interesting to see the criteria applied across the conferences - PAC 12 VS Ivy League. A lot more profit on the line for the PAC 12 than the Ivy Leage.
 
happy9 said:
My guess for reasons that some conferences have chosen to suspend or cancel their fall seasons are: politics, avoid possible litigation, hope that a vaccine comes out soon, not enough money to run a comprehensive testing program, etc.

We'll likely never know the real reason, but it's reasonable to think it's a combination of the above. It would be interesting to see the criteria applied across the conferences - PAC 12 VS Ivy League. A lot more profit on the line for the PAC 12 than the Ivy Leage.
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They already stated why so we do know. SoccerLocker already quoted it above.
 
Desert Hound said:
We lose more kids to pool drownings.
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And guess what? As a result of pool drownings, states passed laws that require all new pool construction include fences. Amazing, no? The answer wasn't "well we are going to have to live with a certain number of kids just dying every year", there was action taken. This whole "well we can't do anything about this virus, might as well just break a few eggs" bullshit is infuriating and I am sick of heartless goons just tossing out numbers when it's lives you're talking about.
 
Keepermom2 said:
They already stated why so we do know. SoccerLocker already quoted it above.
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Si, you are correct, trying to figure out why CV19 can cause myocarditis is a big reason, likely the biggest reason...but there were also other factors involved - testing is another one that drove the train. But anyway, you are right! There, I said it.
 
notintheface said:
And guess what? As a result of pool drownings, states passed laws that require all new pool construction include fences. Amazing, no? The answer wasn't "well we are going to have to live with a certain number of kids just dying every year", there was action taken. This whole "well we can't do anything about this virus, might as well just break a few eggs" bullshit is infuriating and I am sick of heartless goons just tossing out numbers when it's lives you're talking about.
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How do you feel about all the unborn kids that are killed in the womb?
 
notintheface said:
And guess what? As a result of pool drownings, states passed laws that require all new pool construction include fences. Amazing, no? The answer wasn't "well we are going to have to live with a certain number of kids just dying every year", there was action taken. This whole "well we can't do anything about this virus, might as well just break a few eggs" bullshit is infuriating and I am sick of heartless goons just tossing out numbers when it's lives you're talking about.
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You don’t need to wonder about the callous approach to human lives. Remember who’s dying and who’s running the country.
Obese, old, black, Latin, the people who suffer huge viral loads at their service jobs...and we have Trump not caring, who has tens of millions of blind followers.
So don’t be surprised by the reactions of the weirdos around here.
 
messy said:
You don’t need to wonder about the callous approach to human lives. Remember who’s dying and who’s running the country.
Obese, old, black, Latin, the people who suffer huge viral loads at their service jobs...and we have Trump not caring, who has tens of millions of blind followers.
So don’t be surprised by the reactions of the weirdos around here.
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Black? Latin? How old are you?
Let’s start with sending the Illegal latinx home, what would that do to the numbers?
 
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