No Soccer - Bad / No School - Catastrophic!
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A young buck with a voice is always good. I learned this when I turned 50. Life is like a Tricycle. Up top is Experience. The other two wheels are tradition and belief systems. If one is honest intellectually they will see that experience trumps tradition and belief unless one remains a zealot for their cause.
Well these scaredy cat, overpaid, selfish teachers are giving you the big F’U’. I think they’re kicking your ass by the sound of your voice.
I have many friends in teaching and many hate being stuck in the middle. 73% that I know want to teach and are super healthy. I think it sucks that we can;t find common ground here in California.
MSK357
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By the sound of my voice? you're the one triggered. I have no problem with teachers that want to teach. its the unions that i have an issue with right now. The demands that the unions made is excessive and unnecessary for reopening schools. Things like defunding the police and moratorium of charter schools, why? why not keep the same funding for police? Why take away charter options from parents in failing school districts? Why does the union make those demands to reopen schools? the teacher union is political and its about money. If you want to talk intelligently with informed discussion we can do that, but you seem like you just want to rant. lol.
Ok, so you know that the "defunding police" and "charter" school demands are fake news right? That's a lame argument to use against teachers not wanting to return. IT'S ALL ABOUT THE PROTECTIONS IN PLACE. It's not about politics or money RIGHT NOW. I've asked two teachers and two assistant superintendents in my very immediate circle. Test kids and staff everyday, masks, maybe plexiglass, and plenty of sanitizing. How hard is that?
Cost, 10-20 Billion. Were about to spend another 2,000 Billion. And we can't afford that?
I've been ranting since April about constant testing when some of our top minds said this is our only way out. https://www.vox.com/2020/4/13/21215133/coronavirus-testing-covid-19-tests-screening
How long have we known about F'n testing and even now you can only get a defensive test, i.e. you have to have a referral for the most part.
So now that we know DT is not coming to the rescue, the Rockefeller Foundation will be implementing the testing plan I've cited above. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/w...rol-of-covid-19-6-months-after-pandemic-began
Brother, we should have started this back in March!
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Hey, Justapuss, where are my 3 names? You still hiding like Dre and all the other Blacks Love Murder fanboys?
Desert Hound
DA
Wasn't much a wave either.
Ok I take that back. If we are talking positive cases sure there was a wave.
If we are talking deaths associated with the positives then not much happened outside a lot of press stories, predictions of doom, and hand wringing.
Usually waves come in sets. I bet another wave is likely.
MSK357
GOLD
Fake news? You're about to look really dumb. Here's what the teachers union put out.
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Depends why these waves are dying. Are they dying (including Sweden which did nothing...not even masks and made the worst mistakes re nursing homes like NY) because we're hitting some sort of immunity black matter at 15-20% (e.g., t-cells or some other theories). Or are they dying off because of seasonality (extremely warm and cold weather both cause it to accelerate, but nice weather with lots of sun causes it to recede).
All eyes need to be on Spain right now. They've had a small bump in the Barcelona area. Does that develop into a second wave given how hot it is in Spain right now or is the worst over.
3000 people died in AZ already, and deaths have barely peaked.
How many have to die for it to count as a wave?
If AZ had done it your way, with no lockdown, you would have had far more dead. Your peak would have hit in April, before hospitals had good treatments.
Also remember that the current death rate is based on AZ being able to fly nurses in from out of state. If the whole country followed your plan, who were you going to borrow medical staff from? They would all be peaking at the same time as you.
Desert Hound
DA
Remember CAL who you said was doing it right? They also have the same wave of positives. And like AZ few deaths relative to the increases in positives.
How much do be a wave? I don't know. 3k dead in AZ over the past 5 months. So 600 people a month on average is what that is. Do we shut down a state of 7 million for that? In AZ they calculated around 45% of those deaths were in nursing homes (places where people go in and there is only one way out). So out of that 600...when you take out nursing home deaths...you are a bit over 300 per month...ie 10 people a day. You dont shut down a state based on that.
Or how about GA that you have said was a disaster?
And actually you don't know if a lockdown would have made a difference. NY locked down right? NJ locked down right? CT locked down right?
They did far worse vs FL who didn't lock down and is a state that has a very similar demographic to NY.
Sure deaths have risen in every state. But that large spike in positives has not had a correspondingly similar rise in deaths. No where even close. Same holds true in Cal, GA, TX and FL. And that quite frankly should be considered GOOD news.
The amount of deaths the US is experiencing now is 75% off its peak in late March and April. Half of all deaths are 80+ individuals...
I still stand by the fact that it is time to get back to work, school, sports....LIFE.
To do as we have done in shutting down so much is madness.
I was way wrong about GA. Their mask/tracing enthusiasm lasted about a week or two.
Current death rates seem about 1/4 what they were in April. It’s why AZ has 3000 dead instead of 12,000. We can’t compare deaths between the March outbreaks and the July outbreaks. So, compare AZ with NM, but not AZ with NJ.
Probably can’t compare a desert state with a temperate one, either. Oregon will look better just because they use less air conditioning
Where are you on mask mandates? reasonable precaution, or big government intrusion?
MicPaPa
GOLD
You think we should be paying all school employees during closures?
MSK357
GOLD
Ignore him, i proved he doesnt know what he is talking about. he said teacher unions demanding to defund the police and stop charter schools was fake news lol.
Please be specific, what high school? How many students in summer school?
Now how F’n dumb are you? And you too Dawson? You just proved my point. Did you not read headline #1? The California School and Local Communities Funding Act To go on the ballot November 2020!!!!!
You know, like in the future, like after August, September, and October?
Did I not capitalize “RIGHT NOW” as in that is not the issue for teachers returning to school RIGHT NOW, as in 2 weeks from today!!
I win again!
And you should really learn something about negotiating ploys, like “high ball” “low ball” game. Ask for the moon and settle for outer space. You guys quoting these demands as serious are not being intellectually honest.
CA has had 200 deaths per million while AZ is more than twice that and increasing dramatically. This is despite the fact that CA has a number of regions that are far more densely populated.
AZ is also not averaging 600 deaths a month. It WAS averaging that rate because it took months for covid-19 to hit the state. AZ IS averaging around 100 a day, or almost 3000 a month.
MSK357
GOLD
I can't believe im giving you attention, did you read the PDF?
This is addressing the upcoming school year literally starting in August. Read the damn letter from the teachers union lol. Section 3 is where they demand some nonsense to safely reopen schools for 2020-2021. Idiot.
Desert Hound
DA
It is mainly safety theater that make people feel better that they are "doing something".
There has not been any large scale study on masks use related to the general public and if of how effective that usage may be. There have been mask studies related to medical professionals who know how to use them and are aware of sanitation, etc. And even those show mixed results.
I wear them when I have to to go into places...such as the grocery store. Their rules, so I don't really have much choice.
I have discovered that the virus only hangs out by the door in restaurants/bars. While you may think AZ shut those down again...here is what they have been doing for some time. Wear a mask to go in the door. Walk 10 ft to the bar...take off mask. Everyone in the bar and at the tables don't wear masks.
This article from UM kind of sums up what they know regarding masks. They support usage...but note the following.
"In summary, though we support mask wearing by the general public, we continue to conclude that cloth masks and face coverings are likely to have limited impact on lowering COVID-19 transmission, because they have minimal ability to prevent the emission of small particles, offer limited personal protection with respect to small particle inhalation, and should not be recommended as a replacement for physical distancing or reducing time in enclosed spaces with many potentially infectious people. We are very concerned about messaging that suggests cloth masks or face coverings can replace physical distancing. We also worry that the public doesn't understand the limitations of cloth masks and face coverings when we observe how many people wear their mask under their nose or even under their mouth, remove their masks when talking to someone nearby, or fail to practice physical distancing when wearing a mask."
The reality is that while people wear a mask in one place because you have to in order to enter, then they are hanging out with friends at home or going out for dinner, or hanging out at the river together with many others...who in turn have been hanging out with many others...and not wearing masks.
That is why even if masks did have some affect in the spread...because people still constantly congregate in various private or outdoor settings without masks any benefit by wearing a mask in one place is negated by the fact we are hanging out together in another place without them.
Now on to other face mask stuff that I find humorous.
My bro in law is a paranoid person. I made a wager with my wife that when he and his wife came to our house from Cal they would be wearing a mask in their car the entire 5-6 hours. I won. I asked him if he wore a mask in his house. He said no. I said why did you wear one in your car? Didn't really get a good answer. I still chuckle about that one.
At Safeway. There is a lady that works there. Since the beginning she has been wearing a mask. Then later I noticed she is wearing 2 masks. That went on for more than a month. Lately she is wearing 2 masks and now has a face shield on. I am trying to figure out how to get a photo on the sly.